Next years Cap Numbers

[13dangledangle 968]

I was just looking over players and cap #s for next season and I dont even know what to think. Who is gonna stay? who is gonna go? Who can we bring in?

By the look of it we have 15 players with contracts ending, 6 being RFA's (Abby,Eaves, Helm, Larsson, Meech and Miller) the remaining 9 UFA's are Bertuzzi, Williams, Maltby, Holmstrom, Janik, Lebda, Lilja, May and of course Lidstrom.

Assume we will sign 4 out the 6 RFA's for around 4.5 Mill (Helm, Abby, Eaves, Larsson). Now looking at the list of UFA's I would really only like Lids and maybe Lilja (depending). If they signed for a total of 7mill this would mean that we would have only 29 players signed at 59.375Mill...? I must be doing something wrong, so if someone could shed some light on this it would be awesome!

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=DET (all numbers and facts from here)

[skyphoenix 153]

Holmstrom and Maltby need to retire after this season. I think we will resign the RFAs besides maybe Meech because we could probably pick up someone better on the Free Agency in the offseason. Lilja probably depends on how healthy he is. If he isn't playing by the end of the season, I don't think he'll be playing anymore. Lebda can go, Bertuzzi and Williams can go. I'd maybe want to keep May considering how great his personality is and how well he is as a fourth liner. Other than that, I would like to see us keep Miller because he has been effective on the PK and could be a good fourth/third liner. He has been working extremely hard since he was signed and it shows.

[mmamolo 287]

Unfortunately we almost have too many depth guys now. Next year Abdelkader will definitely have a full time roster spot. I'd like to see May back. I have a suspiscion Maltby will be back as well. The way Eaves is playing he'll be back. Helm obviously too. I've liked Miller a lot but is there room with everyone? It doesnt seem like it.

Personally, I think Hlmstrom may be back as well at a reduced rate. I absolutely cannot see Lebda or Meech being back. Janik seems like he is on his way to being reupped for GR. Larsson and Lidstrom are no brainers (assuming Lids wants to play).

We'll be freeing up some money, no doubt. Seeing as Kindl is out of minor league options (i believe) means he'll be up with the club too. Ideally Lilja will be back at say his same contract of $1.25M with Kindl as our 7.

I think up front we'll say good bye to Bertuzzi and Williams.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Am I seeing something wrong here?

Please correct me...

We have roughly 41 Million already invested in contracts for next season with Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Bertuzzi, Williams, Maltby, May, Lilja, and Lebda all UFA's. And Abdelkader, Helm, Eaves, Miller, Meech and Larsson RFA's.

Given the current cap is $56.8 million - that gives us $15.8 million for 14 players.

For the sake of guessing we retain UFA's:

Lidstrom 4.5

Holmstrom 1

May .5

9.8 Million remaining

and RFA's:

Abdelkader 1

Helm 1.5

Eaves 1

Larsson 1

5.3 Million remaining with a roster of

Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Clearly - Zetterberg - Fillpula

Helm - Eaves - Abdelkader

May - Draper -

Lidstrom - Rafalski

Stuart - Kronwall

Ericsson -

Osgood

Howard

Larsson

So we would have 5.3 to fill a 12th, and 13th FWD position and a 6th and 7th D position?

How does it work when you call up minor league contracts? Does it count against the NHL Cap or what?

How glorious would it be if Lids took a ridiculous pay cut and played for 2 million or something. What do you think the odds are that we see something like in 2002 when the guys diverted salary to bring in Hull, Luc, and Hasek? Would Lids do something like that if the Wings presented him with some kind of offer like 'we can bring in Kovalchuk if you play for 1.5 this year'?

[Icesurfer 75]

You can play easily with the number here..... insert whatever salaries and players you want ....for fun.

Cap calculator

[revmo10 3]

I was just looking over players and cap #s for next season and I dont even know what to think. Who is gonna stay? who is gonna go? Who can we bring in?

By the look of it we have 15 players with contracts ending, 6 being RFA's (Abby,Eaves, Helm, Larsson, Meech and Miller) the remaining 9 UFA's are Bertuzzi, Williams, Maltby, Holmstrom, Janik, Lebda, Lilja, May and of course Lidstrom.

Assume we will sign 4 out the 6 RFA's for around 4.5 Mill (Helm, Abby, Eaves, Larsson). Now looking at the list of UFA's I would really only like Lids and maybe Lilja (depending). If they signed for a total of 7mill this would mean that we would have only 29 players signed at 59.375Mill...? I must be doing something wrong, so if someone could shed some light on this it would be awesome!

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=DET (all numbers and facts from here)

You must have been looking at the first column which is actually numbers from last year...if you go to the second column it is this years roster. That is where you lost the available money.....

[Yzerfan1999 81]

You can play easily with the number here..... insert whatever salaries and players you want ....for fun.

Cap calculator

FUN!

FORWARDS

Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / * Rene Bourque ($2.350m)

Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Darren Helm ($1.000m) / * Tomas Holmstrom ($0.850m)

Ville Leino ($0.800m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / * Brad May ($0.500m)

* Evan McGrath ($0.500m) / * Ryan Oulahen ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

* Nicklas Lidstrom ($3.500m) / * Willie Mitchill ($3.500m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

* Sergei Kolosov ($0.527m) / * Doug Janik ($0.500m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / * Daniel Larsson ($0.850m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 25; PAYROLL: $56.032m; CAP ROOM: $0.768m BONUSES: $0.000m

is 25 enough?

Obviously this was just for fun, Bourque will sign for well over 3 million if he keeps up this scoring pace.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Yzerfan1999

[Z and D for the C 712]

I can have fun too.

Henrik Zetterberg ($6,083,333) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6,700,000) / Daniel Cleary ($2,800,000)

Johan Franzen ($3,954,545) / Valtteri Filppula ($3,000,000) / Alexander Frolov ($3,000,000)

Justin Abdelkader ($1,200,000) / Tomas Plekanec ($2,750,000) / Ville Leino ($800,000)

Kris Draper ($1,583,333) / Darren Helm ($1,200,000) / Patric Eaves ($750,000)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($4,000,000) / Brian Rafalski ($6,000,000)

Niklas Kronwall ($3,000,000) / Brad Stuart ($3,750,000)

Andreas Lilja ($1,500,000) / Jonathan Ericsson ($900,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000) / Doug Janik ($500,000)

Chris Osgood ($1,416,666)

Jimmy Howard ($716,666)

Cap Space $695,457

[DMAC 25 18]

Unfortunately we almost have too many depth guys now. Next year Abdelkader will definitely have a full time roster spot. I'd like to see May back. I have a suspiscion Maltby will be back as well. The way Eaves is playing he'll be back. Helm obviously too. I've liked Miller a lot but is there room with everyone? It doesnt seem like it.

Personally, I think Hlmstrom may be back as well at a reduced rate. I absolutely cannot see Lebda or Meech being back. Janik seems like he is on his way to being reupped for GR. Larsson and Lidstrom are no brainers (assuming Lids wants to play).

We'll be freeing up some money, no doubt. Seeing as Kindl is out of minor league options (i believe) means he'll be up with the club too. Ideally Lilja will be back at say his same contract of $1.25M with Kindl as our 7.

I think up front we'll say good bye to Bertuzzi and Williams.

i thought i heard holmstrom would reitre after this year

[Yzerfan1999 81]

I can have fun too.

Henrik Zetterberg ($6,083,333) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6,700,000) / Daniel Cleary ($2,800,000)

Johan Franzen ($3,954,545) / Valtteri Filppula ($3,000,000) / Alexander Frolov ($3,000,000)

Justin Abdelkader ($1,200,000) / Tomas Plekanec ($2,750,000) / Ville Leino ($800,000)

Kris Draper ($1,583,333) / Darren Helm ($1,200,000) / Patric Eaves ($750,000)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($4,000,000) / Brian Rafalski ($6,000,000)

Niklas Kronwall ($3,000,000) / Brad Stuart ($3,750,000)

Andreas Lilja ($1,500,000) / Jonathan Ericsson ($900,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000) / Doug Janik ($500,000)

Chris Osgood ($1,416,666)

Jimmy Howard ($716,666)

Cap Space $695,457

I like, I like.

[Guest Four]

We'll have tuns of cap and depth to shed in return get Datsyuk a damned playing partner.

[Carman 387]

Illya Kovalchuk ($7,000,000) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6,700,000) / Daniel Cleary ($2,800,000)

Johan Franzen ($3,954,545) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6,083,333) / Ville Leino ($800,000)

Justin Abdelkader ($1,200,000) / Valtteri Filppula ($3,000,000) / Patrick Eaves ($750,000)

Kris Draper ($1,583,333)/ Darren Helm ($1,200,000) / Ryan Johnson ($500,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($4,000,000) / Brian Rafalski ($6,000,000)

Niklas Kronwall ($3,000,000) / Brad Stuart ($3,750,000)

Jakub Kindl ($821,666) / Jonathan Ericsson ($900,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000) / Doug Janik ($500,000)

Chris Osgood ($1,416,666)

Jimmy Howard ($716,666)

$56,800,000

$56,487,876

312,124 cap space

[Booster313 138]

Illya Kovalchuk ($7,000,000) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6,700,000) / Daniel Cleary ($2,800,000)

Johan Franzen ($3,954,545) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6,083,333) / Ville Leino ($800,000)

Justin Abdelkader ($1,200,000) / Valtteri Filppula ($3,000,000) / Patrick Eaves ($750,000)

Kris Draper ($1,583,333)/ Darren Helm ($1,200,000) / Ryan Johnson ($500,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($4,000,000) / Brian Rafalski ($6,000,000)

Niklas Kronwall ($3,000,000) / Brad Stuart ($3,750,000)

Jakub Kindl ($821,666) / Jonathan Ericsson ($900,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000) / Doug Janik ($500,000)

Chris Osgood ($1,416,666)

Jimmy Howard ($716,666)

$56,800,000

$56,487,876

312,124 cap space

I see Matlby and Homstrom in place of Johnson and Meech, and Kovalchuk can make no more than Zetterbergs deal. If we were to sign him it would be something long term again with a cap hit between 5-6 million but I like where you are going with this!!!

Lets get him at the trade deadline!!!

[Carman 387]

I see Matlby and Homstrom in place of Johnson and Meech, and Kovalchuk can make no more than Zetterbergs deal. If we were to sign him it would be something long term again with a cap hit between 5-6 million but I like where you are going with this!!!

Lets get him at the trade deadline!!!

Yeah, I kinda just threw it together quick haha.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Illya Kovalchuk ($7,000,000) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6,700,000) / Daniel Cleary ($2,800,000)

Johan Franzen ($3,954,545) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6,083,333) / Ville Leino ($800,000)

Justin Abdelkader ($1,200,000) / Valtteri Filppula ($3,000,000) / Patrick Eaves ($750,000)

Kris Draper ($1,583,333)/ Darren Helm ($1,200,000) / Ryan Johnson ($500,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($4,000,000) / Brian Rafalski ($6,000,000)

Niklas Kronwall ($3,000,000) / Brad Stuart ($3,750,000)

Jakub Kindl ($821,666) / Jonathan Ericsson ($900,000)

Derek Meech ($500,000) / Doug Janik ($500,000)

Chris Osgood ($1,416,666)

Jimmy Howard ($716,666)

$56,800,000

$56,487,876

312,124 cap space

I love it. Forward this to Mr. Holland

Maybe he can send Datsyuk to the Olympics on a mission to convince Kovalchuk Detroit is the place to be.

[eva unit zero 271]

Helm at over 850k is absolutely ridiculous. I get that he's a fan favorite, and yes he does a good job for his role on the team. But unless he's going to turn into a perennial 20-goal, 50-point player in two or three years and that is a long-term deal (say 6 years) that deal is gross overpayment. Or paying for potential. Neither of which Ken Holland does in 95% of cases.

[cmonster 11]

Datsyuk ($6.700) / Zetterberg ($6.083) / Frolov ($4.500)

Franzen ($3.955) / Filppula ($3.0) / Leino ($0.800)

Cleary ($2.800) / Helm ($0.850) / Eaves ($0.750)

Draper ($1.583) / Maltby ($0.675) / Abdelkader ($0.850)

May ($0.500)

Lidstrom ($4.250) / Rafalski ($6.000)

Kronwall ($3.000) / Ericcson ($0.900)

Stuart ($3.750) / Kindl ($0.883)

Janik ($0.500)

Osgood ($1.417)

Howard ($0.717)

Larsson ($0.850)

13 Forwards

7 Defenseman

3 Goalies

23 Roster Players

$55.313 Payroll

$1.487 cap room left

Conditions:

Lidstrom accepts less than ~5 mil

Homer retires

Frolov accepts ~4.5 mil

and RFA's sign for suggested amounts

Edited November 27, 2009 by cmonster

[dragonballgtz 273]

Helm at over 850k is absolutely ridiculous. I get that he's a fan favorite, and yes he does a good job for his role on the team. But unless he's going to turn into a perennial 20-goal, 50-point player in two or three years and that is a long-term deal (say 6 years) that deal is gross overpayment. Or paying for potential. Neither of which Ken Holland does in 95% of cases.

With the way some of these other players are paid now a days (overpaid IMHO) I can see him get a million easily. Seems like people get paid a wee bit more for potential during this time in their careers.

Edited November 27, 2009 by dragonballgtz

[Leadzedder 4]

FORWARDS

* Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / * Tomas Holmstrom ($1.000m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / * Todd Bertuzzi or Jason Williams ($1.500m)

Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Darren Helm ($0.900m) / * Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m)

* Brad May ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / * Nicklas Lidstrom ($4.000m)

Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

* Andreas Lilja ($1.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $57.888m; CAP ROOM: $0.112m BONUSES: $0.000m

Cap goes to 58.

Sign Kovalchuk to a 12 year deal for 78 million. 6.5 cap hit. Break it down however. Example

6 years @10.

2 years @ 5.

2 years at 2.5

and 2 years @ 1.5.

Again, break it down however. Not that we're allowed to say this out loud but if he only ends up playing 10 years... he'll end up getting 75 over 10 years. 7.5 per. Maybe he could get more somewhere but really.... it's not a bad offer. Plus he gets a decent set up man to play with for the rest of his career.

Imagine those 2 pairs for the next decade. Dats and Koval. Zett and Franzen. I see Flip Leino and Helm Ab as pairs as well. The other parts we can move around for the best fit. Forwards would be mint. We'll just draft defencemen with our early picks. The only problem I see with this is what does teh cap do from here? We need to be able to give our young guys raises as they progress through.

Reups...

Lids 1 year @ 4. Hey, why not?

Bert or JWill for 1.5 Whoever they prefer or whichever will go for 1.5.

Helm and Ab get .9 a piece.

Lilja at 1 assuming he's good to go. If not Lebda, Meech or Kolosov would work for less.

Holmstrom will still be useful and I'd guess he'd be happy to go one more at 1. After that Hudler can have his spot playing with the Russians.

May or someone that can chuck knuckles for minimum wage.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Leadzedder

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

FORWARDS

* Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / * Tomas Holmstrom ($1.000m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Ville Leino ($0.800m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / * Todd Bertuzzi or Jason Williams ($1.500m)

Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Darren Helm ($0.900m) / * Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m)

* Brad May ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / * Nicklas Lidstrom ($4.000m)

Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

* Andreas Lilja ($1.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $57.888m; CAP ROOM: $0.112m BONUSES: $0.000m

Cap goes to 58.

Sign Kovalchuk to a 12 year deal for 78 million. 6.5 cap hit. Break it down however. Example

6 years @10.

2 years @ 5.

2 years at 2.5

and 2 years @ 1.5.

Again, break it down however.

Reups...

Lids 1 year @ 4

Bert or JWill for 1.5 (maybe even 2 years) However they prefer or whichever will go for 1.5.

Helm and Ab get .9 a piece.

Lilja at 1 assuming he's good to go. If not Lebda, Meech or Kolosov would work for less.

Holmstrom will still be useful and I'd guess he'd be happy to go one more at 1.

May or someone that can chuck knuckles for minimum wage.

I'm a big Bertuzzi and Williams fan, but I'd rather keep Eaves for cheaper then either of them now.

[Leadzedder 4]

Yeah, that may work. And would likely save 500k. I just got a feeling Bertuzzi will find his groove. ONly quarter way into the season.

[rage 24]

Ilya Kovalchuk and Atlanta already agreed on the length of their contract just not the dollar amount. At least that's what I heard on the Wing's Broadcast during the Atlanta game.

[Leadzedder 4]

Well that sucks balls

[13dangledangle 968]

Bertuzzi had better find something soon...he has looked great at one second then ******* horrid two seconds later on the same ******* shift. That man pisses me off but for some reason i feel sorry for him...like a dying rabbit or something.

[Buppy 1,720]

FORWARDS

Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / * Alexander Frolov ($4.250m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / * Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)

Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / * Darren Helm ($1.000m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.750m)

Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Justin Abdelkader ($0.850m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)

* Brad May ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN

* Nicklas Lidstrom ($4.500m) / * Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)

Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / * James Wisniewski ($2.750m)

* Anton Volchenkov ($2.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / * Daniel Larsson ($0.850m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.654m; CAP ROOM: $0.146m BONUSES: $0.000m

Since we're dreaming...

Chicago needs to shed salary, and Rafi would certainly love to reunite with Neidermeyer in Anaheim, so in a blockbuster deal, we send Rafi to the Ducks for rights to Wisniewski and a draft pick, then send the pick and Kronwall to Chicago for Seabrook and Versteeg. Pick up Volchenkov and Frolov as FAs, and sign Nick, Wis, Helm, Jabs, Eaves, May, and Larsson all to friendly contracts...

Gives us two excellent scoring lines, a hell of a checking line, a 4th line mixing vets with a couple kids with high potential, a defense corps that can play physical and clear the crease while still moving the puck well and chipping in offensively, a future HoF goalie, and goalie of the future...