Top 10 Goon moments of the past decade

[KillerB14 2]

I love this, now that Bertuzzi is a Wing, everybody sees that incident from a completely different angle. You all sound like Canucks fans back in 2004. Nice 180 LGW!

Careful with your definites. I doubt you have any idea how "everybody" and "us all"felt in 2004 compared to right now.

[RedArmy 4]

Bertuzzi's assault of Steve Moore is the most goonish moment in recent memory.

He chased Moore around for an entire shift trying to fight him. Moore responded to a challenge to fight earlier in the game regarding the Naslund hit, for those of you goon-lovers who feel that if lay a dirty hit that you should man up and fight the opposing player. Moore did that. Bertuzzi simply couldn't let go. He followed Moore around, often grabbing his jersey and 'waterskiing' on Moore.

Bertuzzi grabbed Moore by the shoulder at the base of the neck with his left hand, punched him in the side of the head with his right and drove him facefirst into the ice with his right. Moore was unconscious from the punch, so he couldn't respond or resist what came after. What broke Moore's neck was having his head driven into the ice by Bertuzzi with his right hand while his left hand was holding his neck, not the pile-on that ensued.

I don't know if you can prove that he grabbed his neck and drove his head first into ice... I mean granted what he did was awful, but I don't think he did what you are saying. It is hard to say what did the massive damage to Moore's neck. Clearly Bert had to pay for it because it was because of him that Moore got hurt so badly, regardless whether Bert did it on purpose or because Moore's team mates piled on top of him, it was in indeed Bert's fault.

What I will say is that stomping on someone with a razor sharp skate is way worse or slashing someone across the head with both hands with a hockey stick (the consequences of doing that guarantees a severe injury or death) , giving someone a cheap shot across the head that turned horribly wrong isn't as obvious so I don't think Bert deserved the #1 goon spot

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

giving someone a cheap shot across the head that turned horribly wrong isn't as obvious so I don't think Bert deserved the #1 goon spot

Throwing a haymaker into the back of someone's head who's totally unaware of the incoming blow is as dangerous as anything else you mentioned. Moore was KO'd instantly by the shot (you can see he made no effort to protect himself as he falls to the ice because he's unconscious), and any other person would have suffered equally.

[RedArmy 4]

Throwing a haymaker into the back of someone's head who's totally unaware of the incoming blow is as dangerous as anything else you mentioned. Moore was KO'd instantly by the shot (you can see he made no effort to protect himself as he falls to the ice because he's unconscious), and any other person would have suffered equally.

so then do you agree that Bert's should have been #1 goon move? is it because of damage to Moore or because of the cheap shot itself?

So if Moore walked away with a concussion and some cuts and came back in a few weeks, would that be as bad as say Pronger trying to stomp someone with a skate?

I mean if Pronger's stomp cut someone's artery and the person would bled to death, then would Pronger be #1 because of the result?

so is it the intent or the result?

I am trying to judge this based on intent not results... I just think stomp with a skate or a swing with a stick across the head is way worse than a cheap shot with your hand across the head...

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Throwing a haymaker into the back of someone's head who's totally unaware of the incoming blow is as dangerous as anything else you mentioned. Moore was KO'd instantly by the shot (you can see he made no effort to protect himself as he falls to the ice because he's unconscious), and any other person would have suffered equally.

That's Moores fault. It was very obvious Bertuzzi was out for blood, and was going to do anything to get it. Never turn your back on a player that's out to get you, in the old days of hockey, you were dead if you skated away. Steve Moore was a wimp, he was like Matt Cooke, except backed up his s*** less and had no talent. Bertuzzi was trying to avenge his captain. Prongers elbows and skate stompings were just ruthless acts, slashing someone in the head with a frickin stick is probably the most dangerous thing you could do in hockey.

Steve Moore is lucky it was Bertuzzi and not Bobby Clarke, because guys like that would've killed him.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Chris Simons two hander on Hollweg is the biggest embellishment on this list. I can think of another 10 incidents that are worse then that. I'll admit, it was a nasty ass thing to do, and the intent was savage, but if you watch the video, he hit Hollweg square in the upper chest, just under the neck and his stick rises up and clips his chin, giving him a minor scrape. Because of Simon's history, he got a lengthy suspension, and deservedly so - but the impact of the play was not nearly as bad as the other nine on that list.

Terrible #2 pick.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

I am trying to judge this based on intent not results... I just think stomp with a skate or a swing with a stick across the head is way worse than a cheap shot with your hand across the head...

Do you suppose Bert delivered a shot like that to Moore's head with no ill-intent?

It was identical to what McSorley did to Brashear minus the stick. A blindside shot to the back of the head.

[RedArmy 4]

Do you suppose Bert delivered a shot like that to Moore's head with no ill-intent?

It was identical to what McSorley did to Brashear minus the stick. A blindside shot to the back of the head.

I don't think bert wanted smash moore's face into ice first and break his neck... lol come on... I think he wanted to smack him in the face and get him to fight... Of course Bert is an ass for hitting the guy from the back like that and I am not trying to justify his actions, but Pronger is way more of a goon I think.

I think stomping with a skate is the worst thing you can do because it is a razor sharp blade that just guarantees awful results. The stick incidents, if the players did really go after the head or the face are just as fued up...

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

I don't think bert wanted smash moore's face into ice first and break his neck...

Do you remember the incident clearly? Bert has a HUGE sidearm windup he completely hammers Moore with. There's no way anyone is left standing after taking a shot like that unawares. He was either aiming to bash his skull in or just incredibly stupid for not realizing the only possible consequence of that action.

[Carman 387]

Moore deserved it. He is/was a crappy hockey player anyways.

[Barrie 900]

#4 is my favorite. Poor Scott Niedermayer.

Domi showed his intelligence on that play... I don't remember, but did Stevens get him back next season?

If there was a list for the 90's, I wonder where Lemieux's hit on Draper would have ranked?

[uk_redwing 495]

Talk about beating a ******* dead horse. Jesus.

Back on a non-Bert/Moore related subject, that was a textbook two handed slash by May. If you're gonna get called for slashing, might as well get the call in styleeeee!

[edicius 3,269]

First things first. Scott Stevens could have his own top 10 ugly incidents article, so he should not be casting stones from the penalty box or anywhere else for that matter.

Was thinking the exact same thing myself. Stevens had absolutely no room to rant and rave about Domi considering all the dirty s*** he pulled over the course of his career.

[wingfan13 44]

#6 ??

I tried pausing it at the point of impact and it looks like a Kronwall hit. The hit causes him to leave his feet. I just dont think that should be in the top 10 goon moments.

[CopenhagenWing 38]

Moore deserved it. He is/was a crappy hockey player anyways .....

... who still managed to play at the NHL level.

[eva unit zero 271]

I don't know if you can prove that he grabbed his neck and drove his head first into ice... I mean granted what he did was awful, but I don't think he did what you are saying.

Watch the video, and look at Bert's left hand. He is holding onto Moore with his left hand when he delivers the haymaker, and as he drives him into the ice. If he's not holding on, Bert doesn't fall on him and Moore might still be playing to this day.

It is hard to say what did the massive damage to Moore's neck. Clearly Bert had to pay for it because it was because of him that Moore got hurt so badly, regardless whether Bert did it on purpose or because Moore's team mates piled on top of him, it was in indeed Bert's fault.

What I will say is that stomping on someone with a razor sharp skate is way worse or slashing someone across the head with both hands with a hockey stick (the consequences of doing that guarantees a severe injury or death) , giving someone a cheap shot across the head that turned horribly wrong isn't as obvious so I don't think Bert deserved the #1 goon spot

McSorley's actions were terrible, but a major difference? Bertuzzi's left hand prevented Moore's head from being able to absorb part of the blow because it was being held in place. Try this: take two candles that are, say, 2" thick. Place one in a candle holder, and place the other on a platform that allows it to be the same height. Cut it if you have to. Now use a wooden spoon or something to hit the held candle with just enough power to break it. Hit the loose candle with, say, 25% to 50% more power. It's knocked over. And that doesn't even include the fact that Bertuzzi pounded Moore into the ice, while Brashear simply fell. Try letting a candle fall from that height, and then try pressing one into the table and compare the damage.

There's no comparison. Bertuzzi's actions against Moore were far worse and far more intended to do significant damage.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Beating a dead horse indeed.

"Oh Moore deserved it, he should have known turning his back without the puck would cause Bertuzzi to smash his face in and break his neck."

Really, guys? I think Bertuzzi made a huge mistake but you have to be responsible for your actions, and like in the real world the outcome affects how bad your actions were. I wonder what it would be like to see one of you people kill someone in a drunk driving accident (Heaven forbid) and say "Hey if that person had walked away unscathed you wouldn't be charging me. Plus it is that other cars fault for being in the way when I pushed the victim into the oncoming lane!"

You reap what you sow ladies and gentlemen.

[RedArmy 4]

Beating a dead horse indeed.

"Oh Moore deserved it, he should have known turning his back without the puck would cause Bertuzzi to smash his face in and break his neck."

Really, guys? I think Bertuzzi made a huge mistake but you have to be responsible for your actions, and like in the real world the outcome affects how bad your actions were. I wonder what it would be like to see one of you people kill someone in a drunk driving accident (Heaven forbid) and say "Hey if that person had walked away unscathed you wouldn't be charging me. Plus it is that other cars fault for being in the way when I pushed the victim into the oncoming lane!"

You reap what you sow ladies and gentlemen.

nobody is arguing the point that you have to pay for what you did regardless of full intent... The only point was being argued, what is worse a cheap shot behind the back and smashing someone into ice or a 2 hander with a stick across the face or stomping someone with a skate....

I am saying stomping someone with a skate is by far the worst thing you could, even luckily no one got horribly hurt because of that so far...

[Inultus 12]

I am saying stomping someone with a skate is by far the worst thing you could, even luckily no one got horribly hurt because of that so far...

Exactly. People often throw cheapshots without getting suspended (I'm looking at Tootoo here), but if you slashed someone in the face or stomped them with your blade on purpose you would get suspended for sure. Why?

Because those thing are worse than a cheapshot punch. Regardless of who it was or what team he/she plays for, I think it's BS that someone becomes famous just because they were unlucky enough to injure someone on a routine cheapshot that happens every day.

Kinda like that kid who recently put the 14 year old in the hospital. The ******* family says that someday they might be able to forgive him and I'm thinking what is there to forgive? That he is a better player than your son?

He laid a clean hit and hurt someone. It's hockey and it happens, but the guy was put in the spotlight because he injured someone. Same with Bert, cheapshot or not.

All I'm trying to say is that I can think of 5 other players I would put above Bert as dirty.

[Doc Holiday 0]

nobody is arguing the point that you have to pay for what you did regardless of full intent... The only point was being argued, what is worse a cheap shot behind the back and smashing someone into ice or a 2 hander with a stick across the face or stomping someone with a skate....

I am saying stomping someone with a skate is by far the worst thing you could, even luckily no one got horribly hurt because of that so far...

I have had a skate step on my bare toe and only leave a little cut. Pronger stepped on a guys leg (and it didn't even look like he tried to break it or cause serious damage), with padding, with a sock. Did you really expect a serious injury out of that play?

Careers have been ended by punches to the back of the head. Not so much with stepping on the leg.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Domi showed his intelligence on that play... I don't remember, but did Stevens get him back next season?

If there was a list for the 90's, I wonder where Lemieux's hit on Draper would have ranked?

I'm not quite sure. By get him back, do you mean with a hit or a fight challenge?

Stevens acted all pissed on that play, but fact is that Domi would have destroyed Stevens had he fought him then and there.

It's kind of sad that this thread turned into another stupid Bertuzzi/Moore debate. The thread had so much promise, but apparently this s*** is the only incident anyone wanted to talk about.

Edited December 9, 2009 by GMRwings1983

[Yzerfan1999 81]

I'm not quite sure. By get him back, do you mean with a hit or a fight challenge?

Stevens acted all pissed on that play, but fact is that Domi would have destroyed Stevens had he fought him then and there.

It's kind of sad that this thread turned into another stupid Bertuzzi/Moore debate. The thread had so much promise, but apparently this s*** is the only incident anyone wanted to talk about.

No way. If Stevens gets at Domi right there, Domi would have been demolished. I know Domi is a more accomplished fighter, but pure rage in Stevens would have accounted for something.

Doesn't matter though, Domi knew what he did and he knew it was idiotic. I recall him saying when he retired that if he had one regret, it was that play.

[dropkickshanahans 463]

nobody is arguing the point that you have to pay for what you did regardless of full intent... The only point was being argued, what is worse a cheap shot behind the back and smashing someone into ice or a 2 hander with a stick across the face or stomping someone with a skate....

I am saying stomping someone with a skate is by far the worst thing you could, even luckily no one got horribly hurt because of that so far...

1) Cheap shot and slam head into ice

2) Two-handed baseball swing to head

3) stepping on someone with a skate

That's how I rank which is worse (ranked by how long the injured player can be out for), and considering the internal injuries caused by #1 when they least expect it coming, and has ended careers, I don't see how you think stepping on someone is worse. #2 and #3 could be flip-flopped, but a two-hander to the head just seems worse IMO, even with a helmet on.

Edited December 10, 2009 by dropkickshanahans