eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 With everyone healthy and back of players who have served as regular roster players this season or those who would have been if healthy, the Wings will have 16 forwards, 8 defensemen, and 2 goaltenders for a total of 26 players. Those 26 players add up to a payroll that is $2.844m over the cap. The Wings would probably like to drop two or three forwards and one defensemen to get under the cap. On defense, it seems most likely that Lebda would go, as the top four is not moving, Ericsson is staying, and Lilja's stay at home presence, shot blocking and PK abilities far outweigh Lebda's lack of any positive contribution. Lebda costs more than Meech for, at best, equal performance. This leaves two or three forwards who cost a total of $2.194m who have to be removed. Abdelkader likely goes down, as he is waiver-exempt. $1.344m left to remove. Helm is also waiver-exempt, and makes $599k, so if he is also sent down it leaves $745k to cut from the roster. Who is the final cut? Bertuzzi and Williams make $1.5m and they, plus everyone above them, will not be cut. This leaves Leino and Maltby as options. Possibly even both, with Helm or Abdelkader staying up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted December 17, 2009 lilja's concussion abilities also far outweigh lebda's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 With everyone healthy and back of players who have served as regular roster players this season or those who would have been if healthy, the Wings will have 16 forwards, 8 defensemen, and 2 goaltenders for a total of 26 players. Those 26 players add up to a payroll that is $2.844m over the cap. The Wings would probably like to drop two or three forwards and one defensemen to get under the cap. On defense, it seems most likely that Lebda would go, as the top four is not moving, Ericsson is staying, and Lilja's stay at home presence, shot blocking and PK abilities far outweigh Lebda's lack of any positive contribution. Lebda costs more than Meech for, at best, equal performance. This leaves two or three forwards who cost a total of $2.194m who have to be removed. Abdelkader likely goes down, as he is waiver-exempt. $1.344m left to remove. Helm is also waiver-exempt, and makes $599k, so if he is also sent down it leaves $745k to cut from the roster. Who is the final cut? Bertuzzi and Williams make $1.5m and they, plus everyone above them, will not be cut. This leaves Leino and Maltby as options. Possibly even both, with Helm or Abdelkader staying up. Uh Lilija? He probably won't be back this year.. Also, Helm is guaranteed a roster spot. Abdelkadar, Maltby/Miller/May (one of them) will be sent down as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 I just think given the injuries we have and the players we have now... That this discussion can even take place...is AWESOME!!!! who would think that we have Franzen, Williams, Flip, Kronwall, out on injuries... that we are worried about who we lose?? Ha Ha Ha way too cool IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 lilja's concussion abilities also far outweigh lebda's Brian Westbrook I think is the only person who's better at concussions than Lilja. Concussion, fine for next game, concussion (another one), out for 5 weeks and unlikely to return this season. Though Lilja definitely competes with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted December 17, 2009 I don't think the league is going to give us an exception and allow us to keep an active roster of 25... There is no limit on active rosters after the trade deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 time for some Jake Ryan lines Helm - Datsyuk - Miller Zetterberg - Filppula - May Draper - Leino - Cleary Williams - Eaves - Franzen We all know he'd doubled shift Helm, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 They way they have been playing split up has been much more effective. No? BOTH of their numbers are much lower than what they should be. Last year they could be split up because of Hossa, this year, Hossa plays for the Hawks. We're deep enough to keep them on the same line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Cleary-Zetterberg-Franzen Datsyuk-Helm-Bertuzzi Williams-Filppula-Abdelkader Eaves-Draper-Holmstrom Lidstrom-Ericsson Rafalski-Stuart Kronwall-Lebda Osgood Howard That's how I'd do it. LOL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Cleary-Zetterberg-Franzen Datsyuk-Helm-Bertuzzi Williams-Filppula-Abdelkader Eaves-Draper-Holmstrom Lidstrom-Ericsson Rafalski-Stuart Kronwall-Lebda Osgood Howard That's how I'd do it. Jake Ryan lines = just push the randomize button. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Cleary/Z/Homer Eaves/Dats/Franzen J-Will/Flip/Bert Miller/Helm/Draper or Cleary/Z/Bert Homer/Dats/Franzen J-Will/Flip/Eaves Miller/Helm/Draper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Shhh. Bettman can't really count. Guess I should've prefaced that as a playoff roster. Everyone will be healthy before then though and players will have to be exposed to waivers prior to that... at a bare minimum, they send Abs down and still one guy has to be exposed to waivers before that can work... not that I'd mind that being Lebda and/or Meech... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Can anyone shed some light on Ville Leino and his waiver status. I've been reading through the Waiver rules but things are a little unclear. It states that based on the player's age when he signs his first NHL Contract and the number of NHL games he has played his waiver status is then determined. Leino turned 26 on Oct 6. I would imagine he was 24 when he signed his first contract since he spent the entire year last year in GR. Based on the chart I found at NHLsCap it would appear that he has two years of 60 NHLs game before he is subject to waivers. So far he's withing the two years of his first contract and he has played 50 NHL games (regular season and playoffs). So to me it woudl appear as though he is waiver exempt. But I feel like I am missing something. Can anyone clear this up? For me, I think it's an easy decision on who goes down. Anyone who is waiver exempt (Abdelkader) is the first choice. If Leino also falls into that category then he goes down too. He may not like it but if they sat down with him I think he'd be the first to admit things haven't gone the way we'd all hoped. In my mind he should almost go down and gain some confidence back now regardless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Uh Lilija? He probably won't be back this year.. Also, Helm is guaranteed a roster spot. Abdelkadar, Maltby/Miller/May (one of them) will be sent down as well... The question was who is gone with EVERYONE healthy. Helm was moved down because he is waiver exempt and the goal seemed to be to keep as many players as possible. The only way to get under the cap by dropping two forwards, assuming no Lilja, is to remove any two of Abdelkader, Maltby, and Leino. Abs/May and Abs/Miller doesn't cover the overage the Wings would have. Abs/May/Miller would, but only two of them would not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) Can anyone shed some light on Ville Leino and his waiver status. I've been reading through the Waiver rules but things are a little unclear. It states that based on the player's age when he signs his first NHL Contract and the number of NHL games he has played his waiver status is then determined. Leino turned 26 on Oct 6. I would imagine he was 24 when he signed his first contract since he spent the entire year last year in GR. Based on the chart I found at NHLsCap it would appear that he has two years of 60 NHLs game before he is subject to waivers. So far he's withing the two years of his first contract and he has played 50 NHL games (regular season and playoffs). So to me it woudl appear as though he is waiver exempt. But I feel like I am missing something. Can anyone clear this up? For me, I think it's an easy decision on who goes down. Anyone who is waiver exempt (Abdelkader) is the first choice. If Leino also falls into that category then he goes down too. He may not like it but if they sat down with him I think he'd be the first to admit things haven't gone the way we'd all hoped. In my mind he should almost go down and gain some confidence back now regardless. Leino never signed an entry level contract, as he was undrafted and signed as an UFA after 25 to a 1 way contract... his first deal was before he was 25, so he had minor league options, his second contract does not... so he would have to clear waivers - also, he has made it very clear he will not report if sent back down to the AHL and would go back to Finland... so it's not really an option for him... Also, with the way Abs has played, regardless of waiver eligibility, he deserves an active spot on this roster... I think we're going to be forced to say bye to someone, it's just a matter of who... I'd love to see us deal/waive Williams (if anyone will take him), Lebda and Meech and play Janik as the full time number 6, bringing someone else up if needed for d, rolling with 3 extra forwards - May, Maltby, Miller and Leino playing depending on who earned it/who's healthy/position of need... Filppula-Datsyuk-Franzen Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Holmstrom Cleary-Helm-Abdelkader Eaves-Draper-May Leino Miller Maltby Lidstrom-Ericsson Kronwall-Stuart Janik-Rafalski Osgood Howard That's just me though... Edited December 17, 2009 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) While I agree Abs has earned himself a spot, Ericsson and Helm did the same last year and went down just the same (until injuries). I just don't see the Wings keeping him up and exposing another player to the Wire. Abs should be a beast when he goes back down. I guarentee you he knows how Babs, Holland, etc.. all think of him and they have all assured him he has a roster spot, and he seems to be the type of kid that will take this for what it is. Not a slight or a dig, just the fact that hey we can't fit you under the cap right now. And he has to look no further than Helm and Ericsson to see that they mean what they say. It will be too bad to see him go down, but now he knows he can play in the NHL and do it well. This trip (while he was up) most likely has done wonders for Abs confidence and overall hockey ability. I really expect him to be sent down and shine down there! EDIT: Oh, Krause I love that idea, I really like Janik (again former uMainer), not that he is destined for the top 4, but he seems to realize that and play more within his game and skill set than Lebda or Meech. Whom always seem to me like they are trying to prove the deserve more minutes/money/respect/not sure what! While they are indeed playing for those things, it takes a player out of their element. Janik is a #6 guy and knows it, plays like it, is much more a stay at home guy. I am not dogging Lebda or Meech and screaming for their trade like others, but I like your scenario! Edited December 17, 2009 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Everyone will be healthy before then though Jinx. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 No? BOTH of their numbers are much lower than what they should be. Last year they could be split up because of Hossa, this year, Hossa plays for the Hawks. We're deep enough to keep them on the same line. They still can and will be slit up this year... they don't do enough together to keep them together... If they were getting 2 goals a game then i could understand, but they don't... The last time they were consistently effective playing together (excluding PP) was in 2007... they are both playmakers and make the lines they play on better... apart, they create more effective depth And why does everybody want to waive Williams? I don't get that at all. He is a good player who puts up points and has a rocket shot... How could anyone possibly think of waiving Williams to keep Abdelkadar? I like Abby, but Williams is the better player (as of now) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Here's your perfect solution: :rotflmao: :beerbuddy: i think i just pissed my pants laughing! abby should go back to GR for his own good...and here come my line combos: dats - z - eaves franzen - flip - bertuzzi cleary - williams - homer miller - draper - helm can't believe it...but i'd sit leino til someone else doesn't earn their spot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 The last time they were consistently effective playing together (excluding PP) was in 2007... they are both playmakers and make the lines they play on better... apart, they create more effective depth They also played together in 2008, when they collectively had the best seasons of their careers and won the Cup. But that was then, this is now. They've played together some this season and haven't been very effective, which may be a symptom of them both just playing below what they're capable of (offensively, anyways) than the pairing of them in particular. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Leino never signed an entry level contract, as he was undrafted and signed as an UFA after 25 to a 1 way contract He signed his first contract with Detroit in May 2008 at the age of 24. However, as he was over 20, he would have had to have played 59 or fewer professional games while signed to an NHL contract to remain waiver exempt past his first season with an NHL contract. As he played 70 total in 2008-09, this exceeded the 60 game limit and removed his waiver-exempt status for 2009-10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Unless Leino starts providing some offense, I don't see any reason for him to play when other forwards get healthy. Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Cleary Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Miller (Leino) - Filppula - Williams Draper - Helm - Eaves (Maltby/May) Eaves and Miller have earned their roster spots with hard work and both are very welcome additions to the penalty kill. I think Maltby has actually been pretty solid this season, but I can't justify him playing over other forwards when everyone (hopefully) comes back healthy. I used to be in the play Z/Datsyuk together camp, but the Wings depth up the middle is much stronger with each centering their own respective lines. Z and Cleary have great chemistry together and Mule can add that finishing ability to Pavel's line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Wow does Lebda take some hate on here. Yeah, he's not an all-star, but I think people on here just work each other up with the bashing, making the issue way over-blown. He's not that bad. The sad part about this statement is that it is usually correct. But Lebda has been so bad that everyones hate about his play has been justified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) Assuming Lilja won't be back.... Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Datsyuk Cleary-Filppula-Franzen Draper-Helm-Eaves Holmstrom-Abdelkader-Miller Lidstrom-Rafalski Stuart-Kronwall Ericsson-Janik Don't think it can get any better than that, 3lines that can score and have great speed and a 4th line that can go out and kill time be physical etc... top4 D second to none. 5&6th dmen big and somewhat physical. Edited December 17, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted December 18, 2009 The sad part about this statement is that it is usually correct. But Lebda has been so bad that everyones hate about his play has been justified. Subjective, anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
