Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) If you had to give out the end-of-season awards (Jack Adams, Hart Memorial, Calder, etc) right now, who would you give them all out to? edit: here are a list of most of the awards handed out that aren't based solely on statistics: Hart: MVP Lady Byng: Outstanding sportsmanship/gentlemanly play Vezina: Top goalie Calder: Top rookie Norris: Top defensman Jack Adams: Top coach Selke: Top defensive forward Edited January 5, 2010 by Echolalia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmickeyli 40 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Brad Lebda Can't forget Brett Meech Edited January 5, 2010 by ilmickeyli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Hart: Ilya Bryzgalov Vezina: Ryan Miller Norris: Duncan Keith Selke: Zack Parise Jack Adams: Dave Tippet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Hart: Ilya Bryzgalov Vezina: Ryan Miller Norris: Duncan Keith Selke: Zack Parise Jack Adams: Dave Tippet Doesn't add up to me. How can the MVP of all the players of the league be a goalie and not the best goalie? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Williams29fan 6 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Doesn't add up to me. How can the MVP of all the players of the league be a goalie and not the best goalie? Isn't MVP given to the player that best helps his team succeed, not the best player in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Hart: Joe Thornton - if Ryan Miller can continue his play for the entire season he will win it, but winning the points race by a wide margin is usually a world-beater Lady Byng: Pavel Datsyuk - Elite player, on pace for 12 PIM Vezina: Ryan Miller - this one isn't even close in my mind Calder: John Tavares - the gap is tightening, but JT has been the best rookie to date Norris: Duncan Keith - Again, not even close. Mike Green is closer to a Selke winner than he is a Norris winner. Jack Adams: Dave Tippett Selke: Pavel Datsyuk - even with the production dip, he still is +11, leads the league in takeaways, is 10th in faceoffs at 57% and is the #1 shutdown player on a completely depleted roster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Isn't MVP given to the player that best helps his team succeed, not the best player in the league. yes - and although I disagree with the choice - I agree with the reasoning... he has stood on his head for them Mine would be: Hart: Joe Thornton - His assists and overall presence is huge... a good argument can be made for Ilya Bryzgalov of PHX Lady Byng: Pavel Datsyuk - A good argument could be made for Matt Ellis in BUF too, only 4 PIM's so far... on a side note, I think the Lady Byng needs to return to it's former prestige and not only go off of gentlemanly play, but be basically an MVP who also exudes gentlemanly play... like it used to be... Vezina: Ryan Miller - Hands down Calder: John Tavares by a slim margin to me and a pretty good argument can be made for Niklas Bergfors of NJ Norris: Mike Green - as long as he keeps the +/- up and keeps producing, you can't argue, regardless of how much of a true defensman he is... Jack Adams: Terry Murray - amazing turn around in LA and looking like a legit cup contender - A damn good argument can be made for Mike Babcock with the turnover, injuries, etc... and a damn good argument can be made for Dave Tippet in PHX too Selke: Jonathan Toews - ugh, hurts me to say it, but he's been amazing defensively this year and his +/- shows it... Edited January 5, 2010 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Doesn't add up to me. How can the MVP of all the players of the league be a goalie and not the best goalie? Well, as someone already mentioned, the MVP shouldn't necessarily be the best player, would look strange to have an MVP goalie that didn't also win the Vezina though, however, in the 6 times a goalie has won the Hart (in history, I could be wrong on the number), 3 of those times, a different goalie won the Vezina. Last time this happened was in 1954 though. What I think is more strange and also happened pretty recently, is a Vezina winning goalie that is not named to the 1st all star team. In 2002, Theodore won the Hart and the Vezina, but Roy was named to the 1st All Star Team. The Vezina and 1st team are both "best at position" awards, so they should be the same. To get to the bottom of this, however, I think it comes down to who is voting. The Vezina is voted on by the league's GMs while the Hart and the end of year 1st and 2nd All Star teams are voted on by the Professional Hockey Writers Association. You may then wonder why the same group would vote Theodore for the Hart, but not 1st team all star, but then I think that is explained by the Hart being for MVP, not necessarily best player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyuk2Zetterberg 1 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Art Ross - Thornton Rocket Richard - Ovechkin Hart - Thornton Lady Byng - Marleau Selke - Z or D Norris - Keith Vezina - Bryzgalov Calder - Tavares Jack Adams - Tippet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Off topic, I would love to see Mike Green come here. I think he's going to be the best Defensmen in the league for many years to come - he's young and quickly rounding out his defensive side the game. A perfect filler for Lidstrom's spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyuk2Zetterberg 1 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Off topic, I would love to see Mike Green come here. I think he's going to be the best Defensmen in the league for many years to come - he's young and quickly rounding out his defensive side the game. A perfect filler for Lidstrom's spot. there's no way Washington allows that to happen unless they get Howard. Their defense is weak after Green and so is their Goaltending, not the best combo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 there's no way Washington allows that to happen unless they get Howard. Their defense is weak after Green and so is their Goaltending, not the best combo. I can't disagree. And to be honest, I think Wings future at D is very strong with Kindl, Smith and Lashoff to play soon (the latter two should be 3 years away). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Hart: Marian Gaborik Lady Byng: Zach Parise Vezina: Ryan Miller Calder: Tyler Myers Norris: Duncan Keith Jack Adams: Dave Tippett Selke: Tomas Plekanec or Mikko Koivu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Hart: Henrik Sedin (long shot, but he carried the team when his brother was injured and he's battling for the scoring lead in the league) Vezina: Miller Selke: Datsyuk (offensive production down but I feel he's better than ever defensively) Lady Byng: Datsyuk. Or why not LIDSTROM? Neither of them would even have a penalty minute this season if the refs were competent. Calder: Hmm, Bergfors could take it if he keeps up. Tavares is the favorite right now. Howard/Varlamov are contenders too, with J-Ho having an advantage since Varly has been injured and is playing on a better team. Jack Adams: Babcock. If he doesn't win it when he's got an all-star roster and wins the President's Trophy, then he should atleast win it if he gets an AHL team into the playoffs. Norris: Drew Doughty Off topic, I would love to see Mike Green come here. I think he's going to be the best Defensmen in the league for many years to come - he's young and quickly rounding out his defensive side the game. A perfect filler for Lidstrom's spot. Ugh. Not only is he as bad as Lebda defensively ("rounding out his defensive side" my ass), he seems to be a complete ******. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Ugh. Not only is he as bad as Lebda defensively ("rounding out his defensive side" my ass), he seems to be a complete ******. I wouldn't go that far, but he's a long way from being a good replacement for Lids. Definitely a shot-first/defend-second kind of player. His style works for the Caps because that's their entire mentality, but I would definitely not want to see him here. And yeah, he does kind of seem like a turd bag. I also totally agree that Howard could be a real Calder contender. He's 6th in Goals Against and Save% while logging more minutes than Tukka Rask and Semyon Varlamov (both of whom rank ahead of him in one category or the other). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaCkaveli20 275 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Hart: Alex Ovechkin Lady Byng: Pavel Datsyuk Vezina: Ryan Miller Calder: Jimmy Howard Norris: Drew Doughty Jack Adams: Joe Sacco Selke: Pavel Datsyuk Edited January 6, 2010 by SaCkaveli20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 I wouldn't go that far, but he's a long way from being a good replacement for Lids. Definitely a shot-first/defend-second kind of player. His style works for the Caps because that's their entire mentality, but I would definitely not want to see him here. And yeah, he does kind of seem like a turd bag. I also totally agree that Howard could be a real Calder contender. He's 6th in Goals Against and Save% while logging more minutes than Tukka Rask and Semyon Varlamov (both of whom rank ahead of him in one category or the other). You're going to have to wait 5 life times to see a 'good' replacement for Lids. He's irreplaceable. We'll never see anyone in our lifetime that could even compare within even the slightest fraction of an amount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Hart: Thornton Lady Byng: Parise Vezina: Ryan Miller Calder: close one - John Tavares - could easily be Howard,Rask, or Myers Norris: Duncan Keith Jack Adams: Quenneville Selke: Travis Zajac Presidents Trophy - NJ Devils Stanley Cup - Red Wings :beerbuddy: [or Devils] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Hart: Ryan Miller Lady Byng: Dats or St. Louis Vezina: Ryan Miller Calder: Howard (homer vote, but valid) Norris: Keith Jack Adams: Babs! (Not sure he'll get it, but keeping a team this injured where it is? Yea. If the Wings make the POs..) Selke: Dats again (Don't think he'll get it, however) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Hart: Joe Thornton - if Ryan Miller can continue his play for the entire season he will win it, but winning the points race by a wide margin is usually a world-beater I get why this guy is getting picked but I really doubt it will be a wide margin. And if either Ovie or Gaborik score 55ish goals and end up within 5 points of Thornton then they're going to be ahead. Goals count for so much more. Hart: Ryan Miller because I don't see a clear enough leader in points right now. Lady Byng: Brad Richards. Vezina: Ryan Miller is quite simply the man right now. Calder: If Tuukka Rask gets a lot more games to finish the season and keeps the same kinds of stats I'll go with him. Howard suffers from being Howard unfortunately. I just can't rank him that highly. Otherwise Tavares/Del Zotto/Bergfors. It'll depend on total points/total goals ratio as usual. Norris: Duncan Keith because I prefer him to most of the other choices in the top 5 point-scoring defencemen. Jack Adams: Dave Tippett (As long as the Coyotes stay in a playoff spot and esp. if they stay within the top-4) Selke: I have no idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Off topic, I would love to see Mike Green come here. I think he's going to be the best Defensmen in the league for many years to come - he's young and quickly rounding out his defensive side the game. A perfect filler for Lidstrom's spot. Noooooo! He is in no way a good choice to fill Lidstroms' spot. Mike Green as the #1 guy in clutch situation would be disaster for the Wings. He still has suspect decision making. I'd be amazed if Green was the best defenseman in the league for years to come. Not saying it can't happen, but he'd have to transform his defensive game. Though I think he'll continue to put up gaudy numbers that may get him another undeserved Norris nod. Thankfully I can't see the Caps getting rid of him, and he's really a better fit in their style of play than the Wings system. I can't imagine him playing under Babcock. After his third bad decision to jump into the play, he'd probably be riding the pine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Noooooo! He is in no way a good choice to fill Lidstroms' spot. Mike Green as the #1 guy in clutch situation would be disaster for the Wings. He still has suspect decision making. I'd be amazed if Green was the best defenseman in the league for years to come. Not saying it can't happen, but he'd have to transform his defensive game. Though I think he'll continue to put up gaudy numbers that may get him another undeserved Norris nod. Thankfully I can't see the Caps getting rid of him, and he's really a better fit in their style of play than the Wings system. I can't imagine him playing under Babcock. After his third bad decision to jump into the play, he'd probably be riding the pine. True but he plays for the Capitals. If anybody can shape him up to be a better overall defensive players, it's the Detroit Red Wings system and training. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 6, 2010 True but he plays for the Capitals. If anybody can shape him up to be a better overall defensive players, it's the Detroit Red Wings system and training. Maybe. I know he's still young, but to me the guy doesn't have it between the ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Norris: Mike Green - as long as he keeps the +/- up and keeps producing, you can't argue, regardless of how much of a true defensman he is... I could've swore the Norris was for the best defenseman. You know....DEFENSEman....DEFENSE. Deeeeefense. Mike Green looks as confused in his own end as Meech. The trend recently has been to at least nominate whatever faux forward dman that scores 65 points or more. f*** that. If you can't play defense, you're not nominated in my mind. I remember when guys who scored 40 points were nominated. Remember when Rob Blake won with only 50 points? He was a freakin MINUS! Guys like Hatcher, Stevens, Chelly...all nominated while scoring something like 30 points a season. The same reason why Green shouldn't be up for it, is the same reason why Lids should be nominated as well. It's just a matter of perspective-by his standards, he's not playing as well as he can offensively. But imagine if a kid walked into the NHL and played Lidstrom-esque defense? We'd all s*** a brick and nominate him instantly. Lids is still 100% lock-down on defense. He'll probably reach 45 points and be around +30 taking into consideration pace, traditional second half play, injuried players returning, etc. To me, it's Boyle, Lidstrom and Keith. Bouwmeester, Chara and Doughty on the bubble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Hart: Ovechkin Lady Byng: Parise Vezina: Brodeur Calder: Tavares Norris: Keith Jack Adams: Tippett Selke: Zajac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
