Barrie 900 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Personally I think the only reason why Canadians take this tournament so serious is due to the fact that a Canadian team hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1993. As a Canadian Red Wings fan, because of our success in Detroit, the World Jr.s means nothing to me, I've seen championships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Wow, must have struck a nerve for you to start the personal attacks and flaming. This is an internet message forum bub, nothing to get all shattered and broken up about. Take a deep breath, life will go on... I promise! Personal attacking people on the internet doesn't help prove your point. Wait, you called someone an *******. For his thoughts on a hockey game. What did I do that was so bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Okay first off Hats off to the Americans win (Canada can't win them all) Secondly, how can anyone be pissed at Cherry for this? Really he stated something obvious, that Canada would have tore this tourny apart if Stamko, Tavares etc were playing Cherry isn't a sore loser, he's just sick o this hard on for American hockey all of a sudden just like you guys are sick of his for Canada. How many people from the states didn't play because they're in the NHL? (serious question) I see people on here snapping on the Canadians for being defensive but I haven't really seen anyone say much about how the real Canadian team like in 05 would have done against this American team. I'm glad the states won it if it wasn't Canada because they play similiar to our style but come on people the talent from Canada is twice that of the states and if you try to deny that you have your homer glasses on. It may seem like I'm biased to Canada but I dare anyone to try to argue that had Canada sent their full roster that the games against the states would have even been close Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 OMG! I couldn't even read past this point. Boo ******* hoo!! Get off it man. I am sure you'd be pointing all this out if you won, right? You sound like a soreass loser man!! He wouldn't need to, considering when said players were playing, we did win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) The hypocrisy here is unbelievable. The Canadian fans have been ripped as arrogant after the last five years (which is certainly true). Now the US barely wins it once after completely s***ting the bed in the 3rd and now they're being just as arrogant as the people they've been criticizing for years. Here's an idea; instead of being a xenophobic moron, be a good example and be graceful in victory/defeat. I'm no fan of Don Cherry either, but this is really ridiculous. By the way, Canada lost because the Hockey Gods were punishing us for allowing that Pepsi-sponsored 'Eh oh Canada go' bulls*** to ever see the light of day. Frankly I don't blame the Hockey Gods for doing so one bit. Edited January 10, 2010 by Cern Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Personally I think the only reason why Canadians take this tournament so serious is due to the fact that a Canadian team hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1993. As a Canadian Red Wings fan, because of our success in Detroit, the World Jr.s means nothing to me, I've seen championships. I Disagree. There are plenty of fans of non-Canadian teams that loves this tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Hey Micah why don't you stop being an ******* and let other people have there opinions. Have I prevented anyone from having their oppinions? I didn't mean to. I guess I didn't know my own strength. Sorry about that. You look like a huge prick telling him he should like Cherry who is an obvious xenophobe, he doesn't like him so shut the f*** up and let him have his opinion. When did I tell him he should like Cherry? I said that Cherry does a lot of good things and as such doen't deserve to be called names by those who don't contribute. But wow Micah people in glass houses Glass houses? Please continue the thought. OP called a man who does much good an ******* because he doesn't like the things Cherry says about hockey on TV. all I did was, wait, what did I do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 The hypocrisy here is unbelievable. The Canadian fans have been ripped as arrogant after the last five years (which is certainly true). Now the US barely wins it once after completely s***ting the bed in the 3rd and now they're being just as arrogant as the people they've been criticizing for years. I'm no fan of Don Cherry either, but this is really ridiculous. Here's an idea; instead of being a xenophobic moron, be a good example and be graceful in victory/defeat/ Are you kidding??? You must not be reading what most of your fellow Canadians have to say. The Canadians LOST yet most of their fans sound as arrogant as ever. Not to mention the complete lack of class and grace in defeat. Even your post reeks of it. Get a clue man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reis710 3 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Personally I think the only reason why Canadians take this tournament so serious is due to the fact that a Canadian team hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1993. As a Canadian Red Wings fan, because of our success in Detroit, the World Jr.s means nothing to me, I've seen championships. Disagree, the reason why Canadians love this tournament and take it so seriously is because Canadians love their hockey. Whether it be Olympics, World Championship, or World Juniors we support our teams and love our hockey. We love the World Juniors because these are the players that will most likely be representing this nation in the future in Olympics and World Championships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reis710 3 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 The USA has gained more ground then any other country in the last 15 years when it comes to hockey development. The American's used to be nothing. Now they are a serious threat every year and produce a lot of quality players. For that they deserve a lot of credit. To be fair though if the shoe was on the other foot this argument would still come up from the American's side. You can even see it by looking over other posts in the this forum. Wing's would have won the cup if Dat's was healthy and Hossa produced. It very well could be true but it's irrelevant. Canada with those players more then likely would have beat the states but the argument is irrelevant. We couldn't ice our best team and they could. They won. Fair and square. They out played us in both games. Congrats. More then half of the Wing's team was not trained in Canada yet they manged to get to the finals in back to back years. Where you learn your hockey doesn't completely make up who you are as a player. Personally I think Canada has the best coaching and development system, which damn well better be true because we devote so much resources to it. I will never be ashamed of Cherry because he speaks what most of us Canadians think(more often then not). His arguments are irrelevant now but no need to be ashamed. This is exactly what I wanted to say, but said in a better way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Are you kidding??? You must not be reading what most of your fellow Canadians have to say. The Canadians LOST yet most of their fans sound as arrogant as ever. Not to mention the complete lack of class and grace in defeat. Even your post reeks of it. Get a clue man. I don't give a s*** what they say, nor am I condoning whatever it is they are saying. What I *do* give a s*** about is how after a single tournament win this entire board is flooding with this anti-Canada crap. You guys had a golden opportunity to prove yourselves to be the better man after whining non-stop for the last five years about Canada's hockey dominance and guess what, you completely and utterly blew it. You weren't graceful in defeat back then, you sure as hell aren't graceful in victory now. You're exactly the same as the people you've been complaining about. Edited January 10, 2010 by Cern Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Are you kidding??? You must not be reading what most of your fellow Canadians have to say. The Canadians LOST yet most of their fans sound as arrogant as ever. Not to mention the complete lack of class and grace in defeat. Even your post reeks of it. Get a clue man. Yep yep!!! "Oh well it was our 'B team' and if we had our 'A Team' it would have been boys against men!" LMAO!! No, that's not arrogant!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 I don't give a s*** what they say, nor am I condoning whatever it is they are saying. What I *do* give a s*** about is how after a single tournament win this entire board is flooding with this anti-Canada crap. You guys had a golden opportunity to prove yourselves to be the better man after whining non-stop for the last five years about Canada's hockey dominance and guess what, you completely and utterly blew it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Yep yep!!! "Oh well it was our 'B team' and if we had our 'A Team' it would have been boys against men!" LMAO!! No, that's not arrogant!! Maybe you should learn to actually read what I write, moron. Here's a clue for you to get you started - I didn't say a single goddamn word about 'b teams' or 'a teams'. Edited January 10, 2010 by Cern Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 How does Miller Brew do it with all these Threads!! LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Maybe you should learn to actually read what I write, moron. Here's a clue for you to get you started - I didn't say a single goddamn word about 'b teams' or 'a teams'. Not you, the other poster I quoted earlier said that. Then TheDetroitRedWings said that most of your fellow fans were coming off as arrogant, and I simply pointed out exactly what he was talking about w/ the quote about the A and B teams. I didn't say Cern said that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Not you, the other poster I quoted earlier said that. Then TheDetroitRedWings said that most of your fellow fans were coming off as arrogant, and I simply pointed out exactly what he was talking about w/ the quote about the A and B teams. I didn't say Cern said that. Fair enough, my apologies. You quoted the reply to my post, which made it seem like you were talking about me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Fair enough, my apologies. You quoted the reply to my post, which made it seem like you were talking about me It's all good man. That's why I explained where my quote came from. It was some posts back. It was a huge post and I only quoted the first part of it where he/she was talking about the "A and B teams" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 It may seem like I'm biased to Canada but I dare anyone to try to argue that had Canada sent their full roster that the games against the states would have even been close The same way a Stanley Cup champion can keep the roster intact, add a dynamic 40 goal scorer who plays excellent defense... and lose. You have no idea what would have happened. But, in the non-hypothetical *real* world, the US team beat the team they played. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 763 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 We (Canada) lost the WJHC this year and that's fine, you can't win 'em all... just most of them Regardless of who was there or not there where they play junior hockey or if their parents are Canadian and they grew up state side while dad was playing in the NHL, those kids played on the US team and they won. That being said I'll take our (Canada's) record in the WJHC any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 We (Canada) lost the WJHC this year and that's fine, you can't win 'em all... just most of them Regardless of who was there or not there where they play junior hockey or if their parents are Canadian and they grew up state side while dad was playing in the NHL, those kids played on the US team and they won. That being said I'll take our (Canada's) record in the WJHC any day. Thank you. There will be ample opportunity to get us back. This was getting painful to read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) The same way a Stanley Cup champion can keep the roster intact, add a dynamic 40 goal scorer who plays excellent defense... and lose. You have no idea what would have happened. But, in the non-hypothetical *real* world, the US team beat the team they played. Which is fine (and obviously true), but given how dependent Detroit has been on non-American talent for a lot of their success the course of the last 15 or so years I would have expected a lot more tact from Red Wings fans with respect to international hockey. I'm not saying don't be patriotic or don't support your home team, but from some of the things I've been reading from certain individuals on here they make it out like Canada's entire hockey legacy has been rendered completely irrelevant on the back of a single tournament game. Honestly? Some of the posts in here make me embarrassed to be a fan of a team that's been as diverse as Detroit's, and that includes a lot of this Canadian excuse-mongering. I thought we were supposed to be classier than this. Edited January 10, 2010 by Cern Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lilja4mvp Report post Posted January 10, 2010 we're talking about don cherry here. "tact" doesn't apply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 we're talking about don cherry here. "tact" doesn't apply. Don Cherry is nothing more than a conveniant 'in' for what this thread was ultimately made for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Which is fine (and obviously true), but given how dependent Detroit has been on non-American talent for a lot of their success the course of the last 15 or so years I would have expected a lot more tact from Red Wings fans with respect to international hockey. I'm not saying don't be patriotic or don't support your home team, but from some of the things I've been reading from certain individuals on here they make it out like Canada's entire hockey legacy has been rendered completely irrelevant on the back of a single tournament game. I hope you don't think I was bashing Canada. I was just pointing out that adding "better" players doesn't make you a "better" team. I'm an American, and I love my country and any team that represents them... but who cares what the Canadians want to say? Sour grapes or valid point, we still won. Enjoy it. I am not disappointed how our team celebrated. They're kids. PAR-TAY it up. But here... come on. Let's go Wings! (Man, this place could suck come the Olympics...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
