1/16 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Dallas Stars 3 (SO)

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

can explain a little why you think it was the right call?

Because the crowd in Dallas thought it was a good call as did Bettman.

What more do you want for proof?

[DylanMckay 1]

I feel like a masochist watching the NHL.... I love the Wings and hockey... but it's just getting harder and harder to justify watching this joke of a league.

This

It's becoming painful to watch hockey. It was not this bad in the 90's and early 00's.

[VM1138 1,921]

God I hope Chicago doesn't massacre us.

[Marty Barry 230]

Because the crowd in Dallas thought it was a good call as did Bettman.

What more do you want for proof?

I take it back. You do have a valid point.

[SwedeLundin77 460]

Unless I'm misreading your post, it wasn't the refs who ultimately overturned this call. It was Toronto. I believe the refs called it right to begin with.

The Ref staring right at the puck emphatically said "NO GOAL." Toronto said, "NO GOAL - Inconclusive Evidence to turn it over." The linesman and other Ref, apparently, made the call. Thus the other Ref and linesman screwed the Wings out of a possible extra point.

[jollymania 162]

[jollymania 162]

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Because the crowd in Dallas thought it was a good call as did Bettman.

What more do you want for proof?

sorry. thought you were being serious about the call and not just baiting people.

[55fan 5,133]

Maybe this will get us fired up for tomorrow?

I hope.

Someone throw a couple of dimes on the ice as far away from Howard as possible. At least Kane will be out of the play.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

on another note. zetterberg should take some more time off. even though he put up 2 assist hes afraid to get hit out there and his fore check is weak

They weren't secondary assists. Both of his passes led directly to both goals, but you still don't want him in the lineup? He also had 3 SOG, on a team that can't seem to put the puck on net.

Zetterberg is definitely not 100% out there, but the team is still better with him than without him.

[jollymania 162]

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

what I don't understand is this: On a number of occasions now, the Refs have gone to Toronto (ala the Brad May goal) with no intention of overturning their decision.... SO WHY THE f*** EVEN BOTHER WITH TORONTO?

If, as people are saying on here, linesmen decided they saw something no1 else saw, then why did they waste 15 gd minutes reviewing it? To humor us? To make their decision seem more informed? It really doesn't make any sense to go to a review if it's not going to impact their decision anyways.

[brett 1,029]

Maybe this will get us fired up for tomorrow?

I hope.

Someone throw a couple of dimes on the ice as far away from Howard as possible. At least Kane will be out of the play.

thats what i always think and hope but we usually end up doing worse.

although a win tomorrow would make up for todays bulls*** for me anyway

[ShanahanMan 473]

what I don't understand is this: On a number of occasions now, the Refs have gone to Toronto (ala the Brad May goal) with no intention of overturning their decision.... SO WHY THE f*** EVEN BOTHER WITH TORONTO?

If, as people are saying on here, linesmen decided they saw something no1 else saw, then why did they waste 15 gd minutes reviewing it? To humor us? To make their decision seem more informed? It really doesn't make any sense to go to a review if it's not going to impact their decision anyways.

Good point. Why the f*** even bother calling the "War Room" if the linsemen 40 feet away is just gonna overturn it anyway.

[Vladifan 680]

Toronto actually said it wasn't conclusively a goal. The ref who made the call and was right on top of th epuck said it was no goal.

The two linesmen were the ones who made a separate call (goal counts) against all the evidence and claimed that they SAW the puck cross the line (with no video evidence of course). When you have to choose between video evidence and the word of random linesmen far from the play, you have to go with video evidence.

Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I stopped watching/listening after they said Ott scored the goal.

In any real world, with all real hockey fans (except Dallas fans in this instance) this CANNOT continue to happen. It doesn't matter what angle you view this action/idiocy from. These officials are either cheating, stupid, biased, or arrogant beyond belief. To turn over a call made by a ref AT THE GOAL LINE?

Does anybody have any ideas as to how we start a big stink about this? One that will not go away until they fumigate the system?

Edited January 16, 2010 by Vladifan

[BlueMonk 102]

Murphy and Keating explained what the NHL's explanation was after the game.

Martell ruled it was no goal, but the other official (Leggo) and the linesman both felt it was a goal; Leggo overruled the call by Martell and called for the review in Toronto. The review in Toronto was inconclusive. But by that point, the video review would have had to overturn the ruling on the ice, which by then (unbeknownst to us viewers) was that it was a goal.

I understand now why it went down the way it did. What I have a problem with is that Leggo overruled the call by Martell from where he was standing.

[dcd 5]

Murphy and Keating explained what the NHL's explanation was after the game.

Martell ruled it was no goal, but the other official (Leggo) and the linesman both felt it was a goal; Leggo overruled the call by Martell and called for the review in Toronto. The review in Toronto was inconclusive. But by that point, the video review would have had to overturn the ruling on the ice, which by then (unbeknownst to us viewers) was that it was a goal.

I understand now why it went down the way it did. What I have a problem with is that Leggo overruled the call by Martell from where he was standing.

if thats true i think the video evidence should have been enough to overrule that with a no goal. the puck was clearly not moving backwards on the line.

on 2nd thought maybe thats a little hipocritical of me, howards head blocked teh cam

Edited January 16, 2010 by dcd

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Murphy and Keating explained what the NHL's explanation was after the game.

Martell ruled it was no goal, but the other official (Leggo) and the linesman both felt it was a goal; Leggo overruled the call by Martell and called for the review in Toronto. The review in Toronto was inconclusive. But by that point, the video review would have had to overturn the ruling on the ice, which by then (unbeknownst to us viewers) was that it was a goal.

I understand now why it went down the way it did. What I have a problem with is that Leggo overruled the call by Martell from where he was standing.

Wasn't Leggo back around the blueline?

[Vladifan 680]

Maybe this will get us fired up for tomorrow?

I hope.

Someone throw a couple of dimes on the ice as far away from Howard as possible. At least Kane will be out of the play.

This is what I'd like to see happen. Kind of like how they got fired up after the Big Battle with the Avs and Lemieux. Channel that hatred and frustration. Focus it into fighting it out on the ice. Make use of it. For at least as long as the refs call a fair game.

[datterberg1340 626]

Murphy and Keating explained what the NHL's explanation was after the game.

Martell ruled it was no goal, but the other official (Leggo) and the linesman both felt it was a goal; Leggo overruled the call by Martell and called for the review in Toronto. The review in Toronto was inconclusive. But by that point, the video review would have had to overturn the ruling on the ice, which by then (unbeknownst to us viewers) was that it was a goal.

I understand now why it went down the way it did. What I have a problem with is that Leggo overruled the call by Martell from where he was standing.

Exactly. From where Leggo and the linesman were standing I don't see how they could possibly have thought it was a goal, esp. the linesman, he was to Howard's right which would appear to be a horrible angle to conclusively call a goal, and even Leggo's angle wasn't that great given the position of Howard's glove, to me this is a horrendous call any way you slice it.

[RedWingsRox 614]

Boston leading LA 3-1 ... only thing to look forward to for rest of day.

Well, not exactly. Looking like New Orleans and Arizona is going to be another gun slinger 100 pts game. 5 TDs already in the 2nd.

Edited January 16, 2010 by RedWingsRox

[datterberg1340 626]

Boston leading LA 3-1 ... only thing to look forward to for rest of day.

pretty much

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Wasn't Leggo back around the blueline?

Both the ref and the linesman moved up while Ott was skating towards the net.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Btw did anyone get to see the press conference afterwards? Would love to know Babcock's reaction.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Both the ref and the linesman moved up while Ott was skating towards the net.

Yeah, I saw him skating up. I'm just trying to figure out exactly where he was when Jimmy gloved the puck.