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Lids leads in pts and goals.

But i do hope, that he will stay for about 5 mil.

If he wants to play for another SC, he will accept a lower salary!

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Yzerman, like Lidstrom, was a pimp still in his final days. Put up decent numbers, nowhere near as good as before, and was a playoff contributor. He also took quite a salary reduction in his last season here to help the team. Lidstrom is born from the same cloth, as in he'll put his team first and do what's best to make sure he can play with some of the best players. The guys is filthy rich, and will always have a job waiting in the NHL after he retires. I'm not say we would start out offering this, but I could honestly see Lids taking as low as 2 million for a 1 year contract.

Boom. Roasted.

Does anyone else like the idea of us possibly picking up a Lombardi from the UFA market? I think he'd be just what we need on our 3rd line. Energy!

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I'd keep Lilja for around $1m. trade Kronwall for a second line scorer. buyout or trade both Ozzie and Draper.

And don't forget, trade Hank, Dats, Hudler, Howard, and Franzen for Ovechkin. Washington might go for that deal, although it is in favor of Detroit.

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And don't forget, trade Hank, Dats, Hudler, Howard, and Franzen for Ovechkin. Washington might go for that deal, although it is in favor of Detroit.

Yeah but can you think of this power first unit?

Ovechkin-Filppula-Holmstrom

Rafalski-Stuart

Stanly Cup Here we come lol

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Yzerman, like Lidstrom, was a pimp still in his final days. Put up decent numbers, nowhere near as good as before, and was a playoff contributor. He also took quite a salary reduction in his last season here to help the team. Lidstrom is born from the same cloth, as in he'll put his team first and do what's best to make sure he can play with some of the best players. The guys is filthy rich, and will always have a job waiting in the NHL after he retires. I'm not say we would start out offering this, but I could honestly see Lids taking as low as 2 million for a 1 year contract.

Boom. Roasted.

Does anyone else like the idea of us possibly picking up a Lombardi from the UFA market? I think he'd be just what we need on our 3rd line. Energy!

Yeah I would go for Lombardi. Imagine a line of Helm Mursac and Lombardi! = Mad speed. He would be great for the third line. Scoring depth baby! Not to say those three should be on the third line.

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Hey if Nick retires, Kubina is a UFA. Hes not a replacement for his abilities but for a free pick up, he aint bad!

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What about this roster?

FORWARDS

Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

* Todd Bertuzzi ($2.000m) / * Tomas Holmstrom ($2.000m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m)

* Darren Helm ($1.000m) / * Drew Miller ($1.000m) / * Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)

* Justin Abdelkader ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

* Anton Volchenkov ($3.300m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

* Nicklas Lidstrom ($2.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.763m; CAP ROOM: $0.037m BONUSES: $0.000m

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What about this roster?

FORWARDS

Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

* Todd Bertuzzi ($2.000m) / * Tomas Holmstrom ($2.000m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m)

* Darren Helm ($1.000m) / * Drew Miller ($1.000m) / * Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)

* Justin Abdelkader ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

* Anton Volchenkov ($3.300m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

* Nicklas Lidstrom ($2.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.763m; CAP ROOM: $0.037m BONUSES: $0.000m

Replace Drew Miller with Shawn Thornton and replace Anton Volchenkov with Sheldon Brookbank.Highly doubt Lidstrom would take 2 mil.

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Replace Drew Miller with Shawn Thornton and replace Anton Volchenkov with Sheldon Brookbank.Highly doubt Lidstrom would take 2 mil.

I don't understand why it is so hard to believe that Lidstrom "may" take 2 million for a 1 year contract being this close to retirement. Yzerman did the same thing, if memory serves right, I believe Yzerman only made 1 million in his final season. And we would have payed him 5 million to stay I'm sure. Hell, I think he only made around 2 million the year before his last season.

If Lidstrom taking less money means the team will be more competitive, he will.

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2 mil for Lids?? No way!

Lids still plays on a high level. And he has played the most minutes per game!

Yzerman played limited icetime in his last years. So you can´t compare this!

I hope, that Lids will resign. 4 - 4,5 mill would be nice!

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I don't understand why it is so hard to believe that Lidstrom "may" take 2 million for a 1 year contract being this close to retirement. Yzerman did the same thing, if memory serves right, I believe Yzerman only made 1 million in his final season. And we would have payed him 5 million to stay I'm sure. Hell, I think he only made around 2 million the year before his last season.

If Lidstrom taking less money means the team will be more competitive, he will.

I can see him taking less,just not taking 2 mil.That's a lot to ask.Could be wrong tho.

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I wouldn't be so sure of Miller coming back guys. He was a solid waiver pick up but Holland wants tougher guys in the bottom 6. Miller might have to go.

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I wouldn't be so sure of Miller coming back guys. He was a solid waiver pick up but Holland wants tougher guys in the bottom 6. Miller might have to go.

I doubt he's back next year.I wanna see some good ol'rock em sock em anyways :thumbup:

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I was kind of hoping Miller would stay and maybe be used as bait to lure Ryan Miller here when he decides he wants to play for a team with a chance at winning a Cup.

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ha ha ha ha ha 2 million come on and be real. This isnt your fantasy lineup

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You have to think to though if Kenny asks to take 2mill 1yr and says it would give the Wings more cap to go out and get someone else and help the team try and Win one more Cup before he retires. Then you also have to think if Lids is coming back for one more its not to not make the playoffs or go out 2nd round again, its at the chance to win one more cup, and knowing by his pay cut he could help the Wings get some depth he might do it.

I was kind of hoping Miller would stay and maybe be used as bait to lure Ryan Miller here when he decides he wants to play for a team with a chance at winning a Cup.

Didnt Ryan Miller just sign a ext. this season ?

I was kind of hoping Miller would stay and maybe be used as bait to lure Ryan Miller here when he decides he wants to play for a team with a chance at winning a Cup.

Didnt Ryan Miller just sign a ext. this season ?

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Both Eaves and Miller have earned their spots for next season. That being said, the fate of both guys really relies on what else happens this offseason...both personnel and cap-wise.

Lidstrom could take some sort of a paycut, but not a substantial one like for 2 million a year. I think same goes for Holmstrom. You'd also had to figure Bertuzzi would come back at around the same salary or maybe a slight payraise.

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Both Eaves and Miller have earned their spots for next season. That being said, the fate of both guys really relies on what else happens this offseason...both personnel and cap-wise.

Lidstrom could take some sort of a paycut, but not a substantial one like for 2 million a year. I think same goes for Holmstrom. You'd also had to figure Bertuzzi would come back at around the same salary or maybe a slight payraise.

Miller didn't do that much to endure him being a lock to resign this ofseason. He didn't provide much at all really, he killed penatlies well, not amazing like Helm and Eaves do but there are plenty of bottom line guys who can kill penalties like Miller does and provide more other things.

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Miller didn't do that much to endure him being a lock to resign this ofseason. He didn't provide much at all really, he killed penatlies well, not amazing like Helm and Eaves do but there are plenty of bottom line guys who can kill penalties like Miller does and provide more other things.

Miller was getting as much time as Helm during the playoffs and considerably more than Eaves. Hard to argue that Eaves and Helm were amazing while Miller didn't do much. Miller was just as key to the PK, and the only one who saw real PP time. Miller, Helm, and Eaves are pretty much equal offensively and defensively. Expecting the Wings to drop Miller just because you like the other two better is silly. Helm will stay, there is a good chance Miller and Eaves will both be re-signed but the Wings may lose one to waivers depending on training camp and final roster decisions.

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Let's look at this lineup from a cap hit perspective. Oh, and we're adding Ritola because he's out of options.

14 skaters currently signed for a $43,662,876 cap hit.

F: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Cleary, Draper

D: Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Ericsson, Kindl

G: Osgood, Howard

So add RFA contract deals for:

The next four are all PK specialists receiving small raises

Helm ($1m)

Miller ($750k)

Abdelkader ($1m)

Eaves (1m, his raise is likely slightly bigger than the other three due to his buyout ending)

Ritola (650k, minor raise pluse a promotion to the NHL)

and UFA deals for

Holmstrom ($2m, he'll probably take a paycut if he doesn't retire)

Bertuzzi ($2.5m, as he'll want some thing more than $1.5m because his buyout is ending - He is making $3m this season, half from the Ducks.)

Lidstrom ($4.5m tops to allow for more cap space)

Lilja (1m, if not less assuming he doesn't retire due to injuries)

Let's see how that adds up.

Overall, with these numbers, it goes over the cap by $363k. Without Ritola, obviously it does not. Probably some players' cap hits will be different to a degree, but the overall should be fairly similar if you try and keep all of these players. It's likely only one of Bertuzzi and Holmstrom return, which would solve the cap issue quickly and easily.

While there's nothing wrong with your salary estimates (and they very well could end up being right) in my opinion they're a little high - except fo Lidstrom. We just saw Ritola signing a 3 year deal @ 525k/yr. Honestly, I used to think LIdstrom would be at that $4.5-5M/yr range but now I really dont know so in my mind it's a crap shoot. But now way does Bertuzzi get $2.5M/yr. I think it's $1.75/yr tops. IF Lilja returns you're probably spot on with your $1M/yr estimate. As for Helm and Eaves I'm not entirely sold on them getting $1M/yr each but this one really could end up being right but I'd imagine it's more in the 800-850k/yr ball park.

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Miller was getting as much time as Helm during the playoffs and considerably more than Eaves. Hard to argue that Eaves and Helm were amazing while Miller didn't do much. Miller was just as key to the PK, and the only one who saw real PP time. Miller, Helm, and Eaves are pretty much equal offensively and defensively. Expecting the Wings to drop Miller just because you like the other two better is silly. Helm will stay, there is a good chance Miller and Eaves will both be re-signed but the Wings may lose one to waivers depending on training camp and final roster decisions.

Eaves is more physical, more potential to put up points and faster. He also seemed a hell of a lot better on the pk to me this year. I don't just say I like one more and say we shouldn't sign him.

Holland says he wants a tougher team to play against, they will probably use Millers spot to sign a tougher guy to play against who is just as good at other facets of the game.

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Eaves is more physical, more potential to put up points and faster. He also seemed a hell of a lot better on the pk to me this year. I don't just say I like one more and say we shouldn't sign him.

Holland says he wants a tougher team to play against, they will probably use Millers spot to sign a tougher guy to play against who is just as good at other facets of the game.

Colin Fraser seems like a good option.Penalty killer,grinder,and drops the gloves.I'd consider him an upgrade over Miller.

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lidstrom has cashed illitch out for what, 50 mill? 100 mill?

i understand money is money, and you "can never have enough" but in reality how much money do you really need? if you can afford to live the rest of you life worry free off of the red wings / illitch's money then in my opinion its selfish to take more then you need. yeah hes worth more on the open market, but hes been here his whole career, has made SO MUCH money i mean come on... be a class act like stevie take a pay cut and still make 1-2 mill MORE THEN ANY NORMAL PERSON MAKES and lets sign a rental stud to win nick one more cup. he has the power to make this team better then anyone else, all he needs to do is return cheap and the rest is in kennys hands.

will he do it? idk... should he do it? stevie did

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lidstrom has cashed illitch out for what, 50 mill? 100 mill?

i understand money is money, and you "can never have enough" but in reality how much money do you really need? if you can afford to live the rest of you life worry free off of the red wings / illitch's money then in my opinion its selfish to take more then you need. yeah hes worth more on the open market, but hes been here his whole career, has made SO MUCH money i mean come on... be a class act like stevie take a pay cut and still make 1-2 mill MORE THEN ANY NORMAL PERSON MAKES and lets sign a rental stud to win nick one more cup. he has the power to make this team better then anyone else, all he needs to do is return cheap and the rest is in kennys hands.

will he do it? idk... should he do it? stevie did

I agree.All this going around about Holmstrom supposedly wanting a raise is ridiculous considering he's like 37.Wrong time to ask for a raise,especially with the cap crunch.Lidstrom should take a paycut.Even if it was "only" 1 mil,that could be spent on another piece to make a run at the Cup next year.in 2002 specifically,Yzerman wasn't the only guy that took less money in order to get other key assets.In order to win,sacrifices need to be made.The reward for these sacrifices,like in 2002,will come at the end of the season when the Cup is back in the Motor City.

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Holmstrom has taken more punishment than any other Wing so if any player deserves a raise it's Homer. Plus he's the one who got us in the playoffs this year. The problem is he is 37 and his body won't hold up like Lids has over a multiyear deal/raise. If he wants a multiyear deal it has to be at the same rate. Otherwise Kenny has to decide is worth letting a fan favorite go to bring in youth that may play a different game but be more durable over the years of his contract or keep a guy out of loyalty. If Lidstrom retires he's probably taking Homer and Draper with him, hopefully its after this season after winning another cup.

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