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#1 blueadams

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:11 PM

I love the guy...but what does he bring to the team that Miller and Eaves don't for 1/6th the price!?

Trade him and we've got about 4 mil to spend on his replacement. I'd like to replace him with someone that brings a little more offensive ability to that third line. For 4 mil, we might even be able to get someone that hits and plays defense as well.

Bottom line, if we could replace Cleary with a 4 mil free agent...that third line is a real-deal threat (or we could get a little trickier, have flip center the third line...4 mil is a lot of money, we could get a 1st or 2nd line winger). We won't depend on our top two lines so much. If we're lucky, it might even make us a little more physical. And really, we're losing absolutely nothing. Homer has always been our first guy in front of the net, Bert is now our second. We've got Helm, Eaves, Miller and Abby who are all better than Cleary on the penalty-kill.

Win-Win.

I love the guy...but he's become a little like Lapointe would have been for us if we had resigned him instead of losing him to Boston. He gets paid a lot. He doesn't do much for us that a min. salary guy does. It's a problem. Still, someone will probably take on his contract for draft picks...or...we could get real creative.

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Hudler-Helm-Cleary
Miller-Abdelkader-Eaves
Draper
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Lidstrom-Rafalski
Kronwall-Stuart
Kindl-Ericsson
Lilja/Meech/FA
(Janik)

Howard
Osgood

Edited by blueadams, 18 June 2010 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:16 PM

I think this season alot of guys need to prove themselves to stick around like Cleary has to have a great season which i think he will, Filppula needs to have a big one and Ericcson.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:24 PM

He was all banged up last year.

He provides front net presence, PK ability, defensive play and physicality along with 20 goals when he is healthy. His impact is felt much more off the score sheet then on.

Now if he struggles to get the puck in the net by the trade deadline then I can see trying to shop him around, but that will be a hard thing to sell.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:25 PM

Well,this is really a line thread in shaky disguise. Cleary has a NTC.

I like those lines, I'd switch Bert and Hudler.

I also don't think we should sign Miller. He is brings the same thing as Eaves and others, I'd rather spend that money on a really physical 4th liner.

Either way, I'm pretty happy with how our team is looking next year. Lets just stay healthy.
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:26 PM

4 mil isn't enough to get kovalchuck or marleau (unless one goes hossa), but what about...

Plekanec?
Whitney?
Stempniak?
Frolov?
Lombardi?
Koivu?

these options all sound a heck of a lot better than having cleary for another year...and that's not even taking into consideration the fact that we could replace him with a defenseman.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:33 PM

Well,this is really a line thread in shaky disguise. Cleary has a NTC.

I like those lines, I'd switch Bert and Hudler.

I also don't think we should sign Miller. He is brings the same thing as Eaves and others, I'd rather spend that money on a really physical 4th liner.

Either way, I'm pretty happy with how our team is looking next year. Lets just stay healthy.


...if you like those lines...how about loving these?

Plekanec-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Hudler-Filppula-Abdelkader
Miller-Helm-Eaves
Draper
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:35 PM

Wait why not trade everyone who had a bad year last season, it is obvious that we need to. :rolleyes:
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:37 PM

even in his good seasons...

does cleary really bring something (something worth 2.5 mil extra) to the table that eaves/miller don't?

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:40 PM

So he's finally healthy after 2 seasons, and now we wanna trade him? No, lets just let it play out. Barring injury, Cleary, Hudler and Filpulla will all play well this season. If one of them falters, then I could see a trade because there salarys are very similar. But now? Your mad.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:40 PM

even in his good seasons...

does cleary really bring something (something worth 2.5 mil extra) to the table that eaves/miller don't?


At least 10-15 more goals?

Also the ability to play top 6 minutes.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:46 PM

The good thing about Cleary is he's extremely versatile. He can play on the top line, bottom line, PP, PK, against the opposition's top players, in the last minute of a close game.

You mention Plekanec blueadams, but he's one of the top players available (just short of Kovalchuk and Marleau) in a very shallow free agent pool. Some team will overpay for him. And actually I don't know that there are many 70 point guys out there making around $4M after they go through free agency anyways.
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:46 PM

At least 10-15 more goals?

Also the ability to play top 6 minutes.


10-15 more goals if he's playing top 6 minutes, sure...but what is it about him as a player that actually seperates him from eaves/miller?

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:04 PM

10-15 more goals if he's playing top 6 minutes, sure...but what is it about him as a player that actually seperates him from eaves/miller?

cleary can play on in almost any situation and put up decent numbers during the regular season and in the playoffs when healthy. miller cannot.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:06 PM

Does anyone else have the craziest sense of Deja vu? I swear I read this exact thread with the same first 3-4 posts a couple weeks ago.

Not a joke....seriously asking?
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:10 PM

even in his good seasons...

does cleary really bring something (something worth 2.5 mil extra) to the table that eaves/miller don't?


Yeah, remember those nine playoff goals Cleary had in one run? Eaves and Miller have five career playoff goals combined.

This is like the third "trade Cleary" thread already this summer. It's not happening, nor should it. Thankfully the Red Wings brass doesn't have short-term memories like many fans.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:12 PM

10-15 more goals if he's playing top 6 minutes, sure...but what is it about him as a player that actually seperates him from eaves/miller?


Probably his ability to score 10-15 more goals...

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:17 PM

Does anyone else have the craziest sense of Deja vu? I swear I read this exact thread with the same first 3-4 posts a couple weeks ago.

Not a joke....seriously asking?


Yeah, this exact thing has come up several times.

Honestly, people need to cut the guy some slack. He's played injured for the past two seasons. When he's healthy he's one of the most versatile guys on the team, and he's also got one of the biggest drives/hearts. If half way through the upcoming season Cleary is still struggling, while healthy, then I'd say give it some consideration. Even with that in mind, if Cleary doesn't want to leave Detroit, he won't. Just like Rafalski... these guys have NTC's! I don't know why people don't understand that.

There was a quote I saw recently about how Cleary knows that he's being paid good money, and that he hasn't earned it this past year. He said something along the lines of: "I'm going to have to work the hardest I ever have this off-season."

Personally, I believe him. I believe that Cleary is going to be a productive member of the 3rd line and put up another 20-20 season.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:19 PM

put eaves or miller on the 1st or 2nd line and they'll score close to as many goals as cleary, and for 500k, imo.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:37 PM

put eaves or miller on the 1st or 2nd line and they'll score close to as many goals as cleary, and for 500k, imo.

Maybe, but then they wouldn't be getting paid that for long.

Eaves in particular probably could notch 20 goals with Pav or Hank, but I think the line's scoring as a whole would suffer without a net-front type player. And then the only way to make that work would be to have like Homer and Eaves as its wingers, which is far from optimal.
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 03:00 PM

NTC.

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