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If this video doesn't say "f*** YOU BETTMAN" I don't know what does.

It's too bad Bettman's ego gets in the way of common sense...And to think over the past few years the BOG has actually had talks concerning further expansion.

Before ya know it - NYI owner Charles Wang will want to dump the team due to continuing revenue losses...Las Vegas, or KC sounds like great places for relocation :rolleyes:

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/player-poll-quebec-city-most-deserving-of-nhl-team-fighting-belongs-in-game-114901299.html

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=capress-hkn_players_poll-5806581

TORONTO - Quebec City is the Canadian locale most deserving of an NHL team while both fighting and the instigator rule have a place in the game, according to a poll of the league's players.

The Quebec capital received support from 53 per cent of the 318 respondents queried by the NHL Players' Association and CBC's "Hockey Night in Canada."

Winnipeg was second at 25 per cent, followed by a second Toronto team at 16 per cent, and a Hamilton squad at five per cent in poll results announced Sunday.

Meanwhile, 98 per cent of those polled didn't want fighting abolished from the sport. And 66 per cent of players felt the instigator rule shouldn't be removed, either.

The questions were drawn up by the NHLPA and "Hockey Night in Canada." The union then circulated the questionnaire and compiled the answers before sharing results with the CBC.

The results may help buoy Quebec City, which is pushing for a new arena in the hopes of luring back the NHL. Winnipeg has a building ready and had been linked as a possible destination for the Phoenix Coyotes.

Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie earlier tried to purchase the Coyotes out of bankruptcy and move them to a refurbished Copps Coliseum in Hamilton, while some groups have expressed interest in bringing a second NHL team to Toronto.

In other matters, Pittsburgh Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby(notes) was chosen as the player to start a new franchise with, New York Rangers sniper Marian Gaborik(notes) was voted both the best and fastest skater, while Boston Bruins defenseman Zdeno Chara(notes) was chosen as the player with the hardest shot.

Ron Wilson of the Toronto Maple Leafs was the coach players wanted least to play for with 24 per cent of the vote, while Pittsburgh's Dan Bylsma, at 21 per cent, was the coach players most wanted to play for.

The New York Islanders at 27 per cent were picked as the team players would least like to play on, followed by the Edmonton Oilers at 20 per cent.

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TSN.

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But then three successive developments occurred: the idea was slammed from various quarters, Quebec City said it wasn't interested, and backers of the arena project announced they would build without federal help.

The idea now appears dead.

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That's too bad...Was hoping to see some support to build a new arena, and along with that - some potential for a struggling franchise to re-locate.

Guess it's not impossible for private funding to get involved, but it'll probably be a long shot.

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Caliwingnut: I think the Idea appearing dead was about Quebec City getting federal help this coming year for the rink. not about the rink itself.

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Caliwingnut: I think the Idea appearing dead was about Quebec City getting federal help this coming year for the rink. not about the rink itself.

To me it sounds like they said no because they won't get federal help, then they said they'll build it without federal help and now they are saying the idea is dead since there is no federal help.

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Atlanta, Phoenix and Miami are not viable NHL cities. I would much rather see those franchises move to Quebec City, Winnipeg & Seattle.

I'm guessing you've never spent any significant amount of time in Seattle. It's NOT a hockey city. It's a football city (Seahawks/Huskies). I lived in SEA for 3 1/2 years and rarely heard hockey discussed or saw anything about hockey in the newspapers. I don't get why people always seem to mention Seattle as a good desination for an NHL franchise.

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I'm guessing you've never spent any significant amount of time in Seattle. It's NOT a hockey city. It's a football city (Seahawks/Huskies). I lived in SEA for 3 1/2 years and rarely heard hockey discussed or saw anything about hockey in the newspapers. I don't get why people always seem to mention Seattle as a good desination for an NHL franchise.

I totally agree, i've never seen why people think that Seattle is some kind of hockey mecca who is so hard done by because they don't have an NHL team. The only time the Thunderbirds get fans is when they're winning, Tacoma has had a few semi-pro teams but they're gone, they had the Rockets and they moved on to greener pastures. Plain and Simple, Seattle is a football/baseball town and that's it. They don't even have a viable rink. The taxpayers are still paying off Safeco field and Qwest field.

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Seems like another positive step towards bringing back the Nords.

Isn't $400 million a bit steep?...I bet $250 million could build a really nice arena.

The Pepsi Coliseum could be home for an NHL franchise for a few seasons until the new place is built...I'm certain any # of franchises could turn a profit in the old barn.

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How long would it take to complete construction? The article talks about they would start in 2015, that is 4 years from now. You think a NHL team would have to be there at least 2-3 years to establish everything - hence the comment on they could play at another local barn until then...

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Caliwingnut: I think the Idea appearing dead was about Quebec City getting federal help this coming year for the rink. not about the rink itself.

yeah, it's why I wrote it initially, then decided I would leave it rather than edit & clarify.

However, I'm also in the camp that doesn't see the value in a franchise there, when it would be by far the NHL's smallest market in population.

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yeah, it's why I wrote it initially, then decided I would leave it rather than edit & clarify.

However, I'm also in the camp that doesn't see the value in a franchise there, when it would be by far the NHL's smallest market in population.

Yes indeed it would be the smallest market - however if they sold out each night the franchise would do much better than what we see in much larger markets such as Phoenix, Atlanta, and Miami.

My only concern with franchises in Quebec City, and Winnipeg is what we're currently seeing in Edmonton; any "decent" UFA's wanting to play in these cities, or will players pack up, and leave once they hit 27?

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Yes indeed it would be the smallest market - however if they sold out each night the franchise would do much better than what we see in much larger markets such as Phoenix, Atlanta, and Miami.

My only concern with franchises in Quebec City, and Winnipeg is what we're currently seeing in Edmonton; any "decent" UFA's wanting to play in these cities, or will players pack up, and leave once they hit 27?

That sounds great to fans, but sounds horrid to an accountant/businessman. If you've got 100% saturation, there's no where to grow. Businesses (sports or not) need to grow to survive. Other markets have more potential fans to add to the sport.

Example: If they won the cup, their parade would have to have the entire metro area show up to have 1/4 the attendance of Chicago's parade last year.

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That sounds great to fans, but sounds horrid to an accountant/businessman. If you've got 100% saturation, there's no where to grow. Businesses (sports or not) need to grow to survive. Other markets have more potential fans to add to the sport.

Example: If they won the cup, their parade would have to have the entire metro area show up to have 1/4 the attendance of Chicago's parade last year.

How exactly is that "growth" going along there in the 3 cities I cited earlier?

Losing $$$ is losing $$$ - no "if's, and's, or but's".

At least in Winnipeg, and Quebec City these franchises have a better than average chance of making $$$.

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Simple as this... If you put an NHL franchise in Canada somewhere, people will come. That will not be the problem by any means.

What kills me is this notion that a larger population = growth...That may be if it were an NFL franchise looking to re-locate to a city such as Los Angeles, but we're talking hockey here.

These teams have been there now for a a decade or more; many of the non-traditional markets continue to lose $$$.

If the BOG, and Bettman want to rid themselves of these welfare cases - then a few re-locations to the Canadian cities would be a step in the right direction.

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What kills me is this notion that a larger population = growth...That may be if it were an NFL franchise looking to re-locate to a city such as Los Angeles, but we're talking hockey here.

These teams have been there now for a a decade or more; many of the non-traditional markets continue to lose $$.

If the BOG, and Bettman want to rid themselves of these welfare cases - then a few re-locations to the Canadian cities would be a step in the right direction.

no... it's not that a larger population = growth.

It's that a larger population = more potential growth.

Again... Quebec wins Cup = 700,000 fans celebrate. Phoenix wins a Cup = millions could celebrate.

Bandwagon fans pay the same as "true" fans.

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Again... Quebec wins Cup = 700,000 fans celebrate. Phoenix wins a Cup = millions could celebrate.

Bandwagon fans pay the same as "true" fans.

That's an estimation on your part. Quebec wins the Cup and almost guarantee people for miles would come and attend. That whole population is hockey crazy and just think, Chicago isn't and got that much. Maybe you could see the possibilities there.

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And I mean bringing up Chicago, we all know how that went down like that (bandwagon much?). I mean talk about a city that is just craving to celebrate any type of success with a sports team winning it all. Just think about how hungry the entire province of Quebec is to see Lord Stanley in a parade? It's a rabid, obsessed type fan base there.

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no... it's not that a larger population = growth.

It's that a larger population = more potential growth.

Again... Quebec wins Cup = 700,000 fans celebrate. Phoenix wins a Cup = millions could celebrate.

Bandwagon fans pay the same as "true" fans.

Personally I think the so called "potential" growth has come, and gone with many of these non-traditional markets.

Sure - there'll always be the 9,000 to 11,000 fans that are die-hard fans, but that's simply not enough for any franchise to make $$$ let alone break even.

The experiment has failed; Bettman is simply too stubborn to admit defeat, and allow the franchises to re-locate to greener Canadian pastures.

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