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#1 Hockeytown0001

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 02:48 PM



Even the Pittsburgh commentators, as horrid as they are, couldn't believe it.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 02:54 PM

It wouldnt be as big of a deal if it wasnt a 3-3 game with 10 mins left in the 3rd.

Edited by cjm502, 22 November 2010 - 02:54 PM.

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#3 Hockeytown0001

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 02:56 PM

It wouldnt be as big of a deal if it wasnt a 3-3 game with 10 mins left in the 3rd.


It shouldn't matter if the score was 8-0. The puck clearly crossed the line after the whistle was blown. That means no goal. I have no clue why that goal was awarded. Only thing left to do is to get out the tin foil hats.

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#4 theman19

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:01 PM

I live in Raleigh, and the canes are the 2nd team I follow closely.

We despise the penguins here in Raleigh about as much as i'm sure they do in Detroit. Makes me sick, every time there's a pens game the little pittsburgh transplants come out of the woodwork.

Anyway, the call was beyond weak. The News and Record beat guy (who does a good job of cover hockey btw) inquired the league about it who said basically "Toronto's sole job was to determine if the puck had crossed the line, which it did." They claimed they had no sound in Toronto (bull s***,....as the numerous "intent to blow" penalties have bitten us) so they only cared about if it went in.

Here's my thing though......we've had about 12 of these goals go the other way,...I.E. the whistle blows (or doesn't lol) and the ref says the play was dead. The replay very CLEARLY shows the whistle go off long before the puck goes in, yet it's a penguins goal?

At some point, people are going to wake up. All around the league everyone calls red wings fans "tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist" because of the 09 playoffs. But how many teams does s*** like this have to happen to when pitts is involved before someone discovers an email or something letting us all know something we've all secretly believed for years; the NHL has favorites and the calls go towards those favorites.

I only saw the actual replay not the game in time before.

Look at Crosby,...jabbering away at the refs. Now I know that's what captains do, but then,.....the ref who's hearing all this motions to him like,..."ok okay, we're going to give it to you, calm down".

Any other player in the NHL the ref doesn't even give them the time of day and asks the player to step away. Shessh guys,...at least act like he doesn't have your ear 90% of the time.

Edited by theman19, 22 November 2010 - 02:58 PM.


#5 SiLkK19

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:05 PM

The ref intended to blow the whistle after the puck crossed the line. Shocking!

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:08 PM

Greg Kimmerly looked kind of embarrassed making the announcement.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:08 PM

The review took so long because they were waiting for Campbell to email them with instructions.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:09 PM

I thought they weren't suppose to play the replays until after a decision has been made on the big screens?

Edited by dragonballgtz, 22 November 2010 - 03:09 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:14 PM

Makes me sick, every time there's a pens game the little pittsburgh transplants come out of the woodwork.


just like wings fans, yeah?



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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:15 PM

i think the rule itself is stupid. the referee loses sight of the puck and thinks that the goalie has it covered so he blows the whistle but clearly the goalie did not have control of the puck (remember '09, gm 3 vs anaheim?).

i understand the ref should blow the whistle to stop the clock; he can't just let the clock run down for another 5 seconds every time a goalie makes a save just to make sure he really has control of the puck.

but the bottom line is the rule should be changed so that they can review it and say ok the ref lost sight of it and thought the play was dead BUT... clearly the goaltender did not have control of the puck and therefore it should be a good goal.

however, under the current rules, that goal clearly should not have counted.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:15 PM

Wow, that's almost as bad a mistake as Brad May's no-goal vs Dallas.

i think the rule itself is stupid. the referee loses sight of the puck and thinks that the goalie has it covered so he blows the whistle but clearly the goalie did not have control of the puck (remember '09, gm 3 vs anaheim?).

i understand the ref should blow the whistle to stop the clock; he can't just let the clock run down for another 5 seconds every time a goalie makes a save just to make sure he really has control of the puck.

but the bottom line is the rule should be changed so that they can review it and say ok the ref lost sight of it and thought the play was dead BUT... clearly the goaltender did not have control of the puck and therefore it should be a good goal.

however, under the current rules, that goal clearly should not have counted.


Um... the goalie DID have control of the puck, at least until his own player came and knocked him out of the way.

Edited by Shady Ultima, 22 November 2010 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:20 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.

Look at Crosby,...jabbering away at the refs. Now I know that's what captains do, but then,.....the ref who's hearing all this motions to him like,..."ok okay, we're going to give it to you, calm down"


What the hell do you people want? Want him to just skate to the bench and never show emotion? The expectations you put on this kid are ridiculous, just sit back and enjoy his skill, he's the greatest player in the generation and I'm at a loss for words why people are losing out on great entertainment because they are jealous we don't have Crosby on our team.

He was telling the ref to review the play, do you think he was telling the ref "HEY IM SIDNEY CROSBY AWARD ME A GOAL AT ONCE" come on now, the ref just said to him something along the lines of "we'll look at it calm down", like any other ref would if the same situation happened to any other team.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:25 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.


What the hell do you people want? Want him to just skate to the bench and never show emotion? The expectations you put on this kid are ridiculous, just sit back and enjoy his skill, he's the greatest player in the generation and I'm at a loss for words why people are losing out on great entertainment because they are jealous we don't have Crosby on our team.

He was telling the ref to review the play, do you think he was telling the ref "HEY IM SIDNEY CROSBY AWARD ME A GOAL AT ONCE" come on now, the ref just said to him something along the lines of "we'll look at it calm down", like any other ref would if the same situation happened to any other team.

The ref lost sight of the puck and blew the whistle before the puck crossed, no goal. Play is dead when he decided to blow the whistle also he has like 1 sec of intent timing, considering how they called May's goal last year inconsistency makes it a controversy.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:26 PM

Wow, that's almost as bad a mistake as Brad May's no-goal vs Dallas.



Um... the goalie DID have control of the puck, at least until his own player came and knocked him out of the way.


so what? it was his own player that did it. what i am saying is that the play should be allowed to play itself out until it is really over not until the referee judges it to be over.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:28 PM

Should have been no goal, I saw that before even finding out what the call was, as well as the announcers' input, which was in agreement, surprisingly, at the same time I learned that it was in fact, strangely, a goal.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:30 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.


Ref blew the whistle before it went in the net. No goal. No question.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:30 PM

so what? it was his own player that did it. what i am saying is that the play should be allowed to play itself out until it is really over not until the referee judges it to be over.


That's not how these things work. If a goalie has covered the puck with his glove, and the whistle goes, and he lifts his hand, and a player shoots it into the net... is that a goal too?

The puck was covered, the play was over. The ref was not at fault here. He did the right thing. The puck was completely under the goalie, it had no way of moving at the time the whistle was blown. It slid into the net as the goalie was pushed aside, AFTER the whistle was blown. There's no way in HELL that's a goal. EVER.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:35 PM

That's not how these things work. If a goalie has covered the puck with his glove, and the whistle goes, and he lifts his hand, and a player shoots it into the net... is that a goal too?

The puck was covered, the play was over. The ref was not at fault here. He did the right thing. The puck was completely under the goalie, it had no way of moving at the time the whistle was blown. It slid into the net as the goalie was pushed aside, AFTER the whistle was blown. There's no way in HELL that's a goal. EVER.


of course not but that was hardly the same situation. look at the replay from the overhead camera. you can see that the goalie gets hit by his own player and then moves his legs and then the puck goes over the line. do you honestly think the ref knew where that puck was? he just couldn't see it therefore he blew the whistle. what i have issue with is the uncertainty part. again, remember hossa in '09? the only reason watson (i think) blew the whistle is because he didn't know where the puck was and assumed hiller had it. but from our vantage point you can clearly see even hiller didn't know where the puck was.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:37 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.

The issue is that in the past there have been these exact situations where the puck has gone in (wasn't under control by goaltender) and yet its called no goal because play was dead due to a whistle (this case) or the "intent to blow the whistle". (Read: Hossa's disallowed tying goal against the Ducks in 2009 playoffs that would have forced OT in final 2 minutes IIRC). That's why even the Pittsburgh announcers were shocked, it was called contrary to the way it has always been done in the past, and that's where the controversy is stemming from.

Now, as an aside, IMHO, the way they called this goal should be the way that it's done. There is such thing as human error so why not use common sense and say that if a goal should be a goal, call it a goal? It's not like everyone stopped playing for that fraction of a second.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:40 PM

There should be no question on this, whatsoever. The whistle blew before the puck crossed the line. No goal. Simple as that.

Once again, the Pittsburgh bias in this league rears its ugly head.

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