Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 16, 2011 So sick of seeing these stupid dogpiles after clean hits. It's ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted January 16, 2011 I loved the hip check when i played. wish they were used more in the nhl its always a hard hit but i guess if you miss your f***ed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syntax 359 Report post Posted January 16, 2011 F the Oilers. Clean hit, and a beauty at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted January 16, 2011 Hey, I guess if you are going to trash talk the jersey, you're gonna pay . Not only did Doughty have a nice hit he scored a goal. Maybe next time Hall will keep his mouth shut haha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted January 16, 2011 I'll be honest, at real time speed, it looked like it was a hit to the head and I can see why the Oilers jumped in to Hall's defense. After seeing replays, it was definitely a clean hit. Good work by the refs to not call a penalty on Doughty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingzman91 134 Report post Posted January 16, 2011 Great hit. Expected a fight because it was Hall, but that is a lesson he will have to learn. dump the puck or let it go, Doughty had him and he knew it, that's why he tried to duck, which made it worse. Then to draw the penalty, please god, deliver Doughty to the Wings! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted January 16, 2011 when a head shots not a head shot....he sure would look good on the wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 Anyone else lovin' those retro LA Kings jerseys? Can't go wrong with 'em. I like when Edmonton goes retro as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 I've said it before and I'll say it again....Retaliation by another teammate immediately following a clean hockey hit should be a two-minute delay of game penalty. I'm sick of this BS stop of play just because someone's ego gets hurt. 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) Ok so even if doughty was guilty of a head shot in this instance (he isn't) how the hell can you avoid hitting Hall in the head? I mean Doughty couldn't have gotten any lower. Soon the NHL will employ little people... Zack Roloff will glide out on skates and power to the net with his head down and the dmen will split for him because they'll be afraid of grazing his face with their thighs and getting a 5 game suspension. EDIT: eff Roloff... we should just tell Hudler to 'keep your head down out there', he'd generate a lot more scoring chances I'm sure. Edited January 17, 2011 by BlakKy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 Here's what Hall had to say about the hit: “I picked my head up to see if he was coming after taking Dustin’s pass, then I put my head back down when I received it,” said Hall. “Clean hit. He caught me right in the chest. No ill-effects.”“It’s nice to see your teammates jump in there, but it’s also a little embarrassing when they do it (after a legal check),” said Hall. Much respect to the kid for being honest about the hit. Full article from Edmonton Journal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 That Hall quote is actually amazing. Never thought I would read it from a 19 year old 'superstar'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 That Hall quote is actually amazing. Never thought I would read it from a 19 year old 'superstar'. I wonder if his team mates will get all indignant, not back him up anymore for saying that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 What a beauty! Got to love the resiliency of youth to be able to jump right up after hitting a wall like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 Yes he did get up an go after doughty but I'm pretty sure what doc is trying to say is that if Hall didn't like it then the oilers team should just let him and only him go after Doughty not every Oiler on the ice. I think thats stupid. What wings fan would want a 19 year old Yzerman being the one to have to stick up for himself? No one in their right mind, neither did management so they got him Probert. I understand not liking the fights after clean hits (even though it is often hard to determine whats clean and what isn't, the players dont get to watch youtube 3 times to decide.. they have 5 seconds to react) but its an age old thing where if theres gonna be a fight, a 19 year old star is not the one who should have to do it. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 I think thats stupid. What wings fan would want a 19 year old Yzerman being the one to have to stick up for himself? No one in their right mind, neither did management so they got him Probert. I understand not liking the fights after clean hits (even though it is often hard to determine whats clean and what isn't, the players dont get to watch youtube 3 times to decide.. they have 5 seconds to react) but its an age old thing where if theres gonna be a fight, a 19 year old star is not the one who should have to do it. But that's not really hockey anymore, is it? Whether or not you think it's a shame that enforcers have a much lesser role in the game, (I do, at times) it still remains that superstars don't necessarily have a security guard. I think a lot of the reason you see all these scrums after clean hits is because the enforcer's role has diminished; pretty much anyone is attempting to "send a message" these days. Where a guy like Probert used to come on the ice a bit later and track the guy down, players just jump on the hitter because there doesn't seem to be an instigator deterrent like there is with a guy dropping the gloves the next shift. If you ask me, I'd much prefer one guy coming out on the ice the next shift or two over 5 other guys jumping onto whoever is at the bottom of the pile. I remember Kronwall's hit on Havlat a few years ago and all I could think was, "Wow, these guys are idiots" because their teammate was concussed at the bottom of the pile they were fighting on top of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 I think thats stupid. What wings fan would want a 19 year old Yzerman being the one to have to stick up for himself? No one in their right mind, neither did management so they got him Probert. I understand not liking the fights after clean hits (even though it is often hard to determine whats clean and what isn't, the players dont get to watch youtube 3 times to decide.. they have 5 seconds to react) but its an age old thing where if theres gonna be a fight, a 19 year old star is not the one who should have to do it. Yeah, but it used to be just probert going after the guy, and sometimes not even during the same play. Not to mention if a guy got rocked for having his head down, that was a lot less likely to warrant a response because every player, especially a star player, should know better. But every Oiler on the ice started jumping guys, and one edmonton player coldcocked a guy from behind. Crap like that needs to stop and be heavy penalized. Hockey has not always been this way. Yes, there were always scrums and even line brawls, but it took a lot more than one clean hit to start them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 This guy reacts similarly to another player taken quite early in the NHL draft some years ago. Difference was, he popped right up after. Ohhhhhh well, take it Hall. It was a great hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 Yeah, but it used to be just probert going after the guy, and sometimes not even during the same play. Not to mention if a guy got rocked for having his head down, that was a lot less likely to warrant a response because every player, especially a star player, should know better. But every Oiler on the ice started jumping guys, and one edmonton player coldcocked a guy from behind. Crap like that needs to stop and be heavy penalized. Hockey has not always been this way. Yes, there were always scrums and even line brawls, but it took a lot more than one clean hit to start them. No I dont really like the whole dog pile up thing either but I'm just saying you should not expect it to be a 19 year old superstar to be the one fighting if there is one. If theres gonna be a fight, it wont be the 19 year nor should it be. Not saying the Oilers did the right thing but I think it is stupid to expect Hall to fight anyone who lays him out when he is 19 and has a fairly tough team around him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 That was a cleas hockey hit.. The problem I have is the Oilers jumping in after the hit.. I know Hall is your star player, but it's not like he was hurt and Doughty didn't take a run at him either... There's nothing wrong if Hall was hurt or was a head shot, then ya go ofter Doughty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted January 17, 2011 I wonder if his team mates will get all indignant, not back him up anymore for saying that? Those were my thoughts as well. Regardless, I'm still glad he made that comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 No I dont really like the whole dog pile up thing either but I'm just saying you should not expect it to be a 19 year old superstar to be the one fighting if there is one. If theres gonna be a fight, it wont be the 19 year nor should it be. Yzerman was a big boy and could stand up for himself. However he didn't get mad when he got hit hard. He got even. My point is far from stupid. If Hall is going to get pissed that someone lit him up with a check, he should find a way to get even (and he attempted to). His team doesn't have to babysit him. Not saying the Oilers did the right thing but I think it is stupid to expect Hall to fight anyone who lays him out when he is 19 and has a fairly tough team around him I'm not expecting Hall to do anything. I'm saying if he wants retribution for a clean hit he shouldn't have his merry band of Oilers doing the revenge. It's not like it would be the first time a young star stood up for himself in hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Yzerman was a big boy and could stand up for himself. However he didn't get mad when he got hit hard. He got even. My point is far from stupid. If Hall is going to get pissed that someone lit him up with a check, he should find a way to get even (and he attempted to). His team doesn't have to babysit him. I'm not expecting Hall to do anything. I'm saying if he wants retribution for a clean hit he shouldn't have his merry band of Oilers doing the revenge. It's not like it would be the first time a young star stood up for himself in hockey. Yzerman never had to stick up for himself, he got in his fair share of fights, but Yzerman always had someone jumping in for him. I dont remember Yzerman ever getting lit up with a clean hit really off the top of my head, he was able to avoid a lot of contact. I can think of one time where Mac jumped someone after a hit on Yzerman almost Bertuzzi like, oh and Probert getting ahold of Mcguire and suckering him. The wings never made Yzerman fight his own battles, which is how it should be with a young star in the league. Its no secret why they drafted Probert and Grimson in Yzermans draft year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 No I dont really like the whole dog pile up thing either but I'm just saying you should not expect it to be a 19 year old superstar to be the one fighting if there is one. If theres gonna be a fight, it wont be the 19 year nor should it be. Not saying the Oilers did the right thing but I think it is stupid to expect Hall to fight anyone who lays him out when he is 19 and has a fairly tough team around him Agreed. Stevie managed to avoid most of those hits, but he also had Joey and Bob making people think hard if they really wanted to take a run at him. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted January 18, 2011 Yzerman never had to stick up for himself, he got in his fair share of fights, but Yzerman always had someone jumping in for him. I dont remember Yzerman ever getting lit up with a clean hit really off the top of my head, he was able to avoid a lot of contact. I also don't remember Yzerman getting mad at clean hits and wanting his teammates to fight his battles for him, either. In fact, did you see Hall ask his teammates for Doughty's head? No, Hall went out and tried to do it himself. I can think of one time where Mac jumped someone after a hit on Yzerman almost Bertuzzi like, oh and Probert getting ahold of Mcguire and suckering him. The wings never made Yzerman fight his own battles, which is how it should be with a young star in the league. Its no secret why they drafted Probert and Grimson in Yzermans draft year Probert went after Mcquire in that play because Mcquire WENT AFTER Yzerman, knowing it was a mismatch. This isn't the same instance at all. Go and ask Mickey if he agrees with the conduct in today's NHL if you are so hell bent on disagreeing with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
