WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Point taken. But when it's your first game back for concussing a guy by throwing a dirty elbow to the head (then yapping at him as he's down on the ice) and you do the same thing in your first game back, it sends a pretty clear signal you've not learned anything from your suspension. I agree. It was a stupid play throughout. If the Isles player were seriously injured would we be having this discussion? The hit was certainly dirty but I think there are similar hits almost nightly in the NHL. There are a lot of players leaving their feet to hit high in many games. I think anything more than 5 games is unfair and based on Gillies' reputation more than the hit. Gillies is an old-school enforcer that gives retribution to the offending player. I think he went about it in the wrong way (again) but I can see his intention. 1 esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 I understand the reason, but I would certainly hope it has no bearing at all in length of suspension. I'd prefer the response to be a nice clean body check that hurts, but I'd also accept him taking an instigator penatly and lay a beat down on the guy. To do what he did though, is just stupid and exactly what the league is trying to get rid of. Like I said, devil's advocate. You mean like this: DiBenedetto gets hit AGAIN by Clutterbuck. Konopka takes exception hits Clutterbuck. Staubitz take exception and drops the mitts against Konopka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 That doesn't make sense to me. What a player did in their career as a player shouldn't result in any limitations on their ability to assess whehter a player's actionas are "okay" or not, or suspension worthy. Also, when you are talking about hits to the head, the game has changed immensely, even over the past 10 years. Knowing what everyone now knows about head injuries, these types of hits are the most high profile now and ones that no one wants to be in the game. So, Mr. Hockey threw elbows all the time back in the day.....I'd have no problem with him not wanting to see players do it today. It's almost like saying murderer can't suggest another murderer has done something wrong. Your comparison is off-base. If anything it is lime a reformed murderer calling for new murderers to get the maximum penalty. As I said, it was a dirty play. Anyone can see that. However, calling for a player to be removed from the league for this incident is an overreaction. I expect Milbury to understand the intensity of the game more because of his incident. If Milbury says that he should have been removed from the league, I would have more respect for his comments. I'll play the devils advocate here a bit. IMO hits from behind are as likely to cause injury as a hit like Gillies. If Gillies does this once to Cal and it causes Cal to not hit from behind anymore against the Isles (or other teams) does the game get cleaner? I like Cal a lot but this is the argument that many pro-enforcers give (personally I'm in the middle- we need players to police themselves and the league to punish). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) buttercup deserved it. he is a chicken s*** who runs around and hides behind his shield and gets others to do his dirty work. Edited March 3, 2011 by redwingfan19 4 Shaman, sleepwalker, uk_redwing and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gizmo 21 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) That doesn't make sense to me. What a player did in their career as a player shouldn't result in any limitations on their ability to assess whehter a player's actionas are "okay" or not, or suspension worthy. Sorry if I mis-attributed the quote to Jones.... but in addition to the counterpoint made by toby91_ca, your point might have been more valid if Milbury had likewise marched back into the stands his first game back from whatever punishment was meted out to him. That was Milbury's primary point... It takes a special kind of idiot to come back from a lengthy suspension and pull an instant repeat! Edited March 3, 2011 by Gizmo 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Did you watch both videos? Gillies came in within seconds of Cal hitting an Isles player from behind. I would hardly call the incident premeditated. Dirty? Yes, but not premeditated. Gilles whole game is pre meditated, he only knows how to do one thing and that's be a goon. The funny thing is that the box score has Gilles for 5 for hitting from behind? buttercup deserved it. he is a chicken s*** who runs around and hides behind his shield and gets others to do his dirty work. Clusterf*** is a tool and plays on the edge to say it nicely but to say that a guy deserves an elbow to the head is the exact mentality that is leading to all these concussions and dirty hits. 2 Rick D and teebo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Obviously Gillies commits this hit because of Clutterbuck's board, hit from behind, whatever you wanna try and call it, interpreted from him on the ice. It's clear he didn't like Clutterbuck's hit. Yeah, obviously the hit is not acceptable, yeah, he's gonna be suspended. However, look at the on-ice culture of retaliation for hits, dirty or clean. Look at the lack of respect displayed on the ice for opponents, especially those who do not play dirty, or simply make clean hits yet take punches to the face or stuff like this. The NHL levies discipline by technicality but really players learn by other players on the ice. Throwing another suspension at Gillies is not going to help the bigger picture. That and I don't think Milbury is much in a position to try and start psycho-analyzing anyone else with the issues he has. 2 sleepwalker and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Prime example this year.... Also where has this Kronner been? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Gillies is an old-school enforcer that gives retribution to the offending player. I think he went about it in the wrong way (again) but I can see his intention. My thoughts exactly. If there was no instigator rule, Gillies would've likely grabbed Clutterbuck and whooped his ass, instead he delivers a quick (and cheap) hit and hopes to get away with it. Oh well... Sign him Kenny! esteef Edited March 3, 2011 by esteef 4 Hockeymom1960, ManLuv4Clears, redwingfan19 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Prime example this year.... Also where has this Kronner been? What a beauty of a hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
afireinside 2 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 My thoughts exactly. If there was no instigator rule, Gillies would've likely grabbed Clutterbuck and whooped his ass, instead he delivers a quick (and cheap) hit and hopes to get away with it. Oh well... Sign him Kenny! esteef New to posting here, nice to meet all of you. I agree, instigator rule or not, that is one of the times where if you are going to retaliate he should drop the gloves and square up with him. I mean look at how people like Probert, Kocur and McCarty gave retribution. There is a correct way and a wrong / gutless way (in my opinion) and he chose the wrong one. No room in the NHL for goons like this. I do believe that at some point in his career he will get what is coming to him if he continues to play like this. 2 Rick D and teebo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MotorCityMadness 388 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 I actually agreed for a change with what Milbury said on versus regarding this...gotta get guys like this out of hockey 1 teebo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Funny how that Minny video fails to show Clutterbuck's hit from seconds before... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HObjS14bPuU Clutterbucks hit was worse than Gillies. Only difference is Clutterbuck is one of those players that dishes out the cheap hits but when it happens to him he drops like a lemon. Gillies did what any player sticking up for a rookie who was hit from behind in his 2nd ever NHL game would do. 4 sleepwalker, ManLuv4Clears, esteef and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Clutterbucks hit was worse than Gillies. Only difference is Clutterbuck is one of those players that dishes out the cheap hits but when it happens to him he drops like a lemon. Gillies did what any player sticking up for a rookie who was hit from behind in his 2nd ever NHL game would do. Wow! I'm not even sure what to say, but I'll try. I'd call a boarding penalty on Clutterbuck, but the hit wasn't that bad at all. The Isles player was skating up the ice when Clutterbuck committed to the hit and then the Isles player lost control of the puck, looked down and turned towards the boards. Clutterbuck even looks to let up on the hit. You have to blame Clutterbuck here, but those are tough hits to avoid at times and happen on the time. I highly doubt any player sticking up for a rookie woudl decide the best course of action would be to jump into the guy, with elbows up and drive the guy's head into the glass. Gillies will get extra time because he's a repeat offender and because he was literally 2 minutes into coming back from a 9 game suspension for the same thing, but if a guy like Lidstrom did the same thing, he'd get suspended too. However, that's a mute point because we all know that Lidstrom would never do that. 1 teebo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RusDRW 155 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Clutterbuck hits clean, so I'm not sure were your going with this. Clean? What do you mean with that? Those multiple steps at the full speed towards his potential victims, right? I'm really glad there are only few such hitters in the NHL... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 A view of the GIlles situaiton that dissolves into Jane Austen quotes in the comments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) A view of the GIlles situaiton that dissolves into Jane Austen quotes in the comments. "Since the lockout, however, the league is trying to tame the frontier justice. The problem is that their solution - the ill-named "instigator" penalty - actually punishes the enforcer and NOT the instigator, the guy running around and stirring the pot. Not surprisingly, those guys are stirring harder and faster than ever, with no end in sight." Couldn't have said it better myself. Oh wait! Great column by the way. More good stuff..."The current "fighting has no place in our game" moralizing from the league is complete hogwash, frankly. It's self-serving, and allows Bettman and Campbell to sound correct while actually doing things that are the exact oposite of helpful. The goon who does nothing but fight is bad for the game, they say; well, what about the goon who does nothing but endanger other guys' health and careers? The enforcer would be far less necessary if you cracked down on the behavior he's there to punish! Heck - enforcers might even need to be able to carry their weight for 8-10 minutes a night. Wonder of wonders, if you curtail dirty play, you might just improve the quality of the hockey being played. Once you get past the tribal instinct of "my team good, all others suq lulz !!!one!!1!" the fans get that; they know punishing the enforcer more than the troublemaker serves, in practice, to protect the troublemaker. That's the real reason why dirty play is on the rise." esteef Edited March 3, 2011 by esteef 2 ManLuv4Clears and sleepwalker reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bar Down 107 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 The guy has never put up more than 7 pts in a season at any professional level. He has played in a grand total of 150 minutes at the NHL level and has 220 PIMs. Case in point is that he is nothing more than a goon who does not possess the skillset to being playing at the NHL level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Gillies is a career 4th liner who was brought up to check and provide energy (and knock the s*** out of people ). His point totals are irrelevant. esteef 3 Hockeymom1960, sleepwalker and uk_redwing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Gillies is a career 4th liner who was brought up to check and provide energy (and knock the s*** out of people ). His point totals are irrelevant. esteef So is his career ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 The guy has never put up more than 7 pts in a season at any professional level. He has played in a grand total of 150 minutes at the NHL level and has 220 PIMs. Case in point is that he is nothing more than a goon who does not possess the skillset to being playing at the NHL level. What is the point of this? Because he isn't a good player means that he should be held to a higher standard than better players? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 So is his career ! What career Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Oh yay! PTI will be discussing this for :20 seconds today. This is why I hate when players do boneheaded things. It causes discussion of hockey by those who have no understanding of the game. ...and no, I don't consider Wilbon's blind homerism for the Hawks as understanding of the game. 2 esteef and zoso reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Oh yay! PTI will be discussing this for :20 seconds today. This is why I hate when players do boneheaded things. It causes discussion of hockey by those who have no understanding of the game. ...and no, I don't consider Wilbon's blind homerism for the Hawks as understanding of the game. ATH discussed it as well, and Bob Ryan said it best: MIKE MILBURY says he's a goon and that he should be banned from the NHL. When Milbury says that he's a goon, you know the guy shouldn't have been in the NHL, ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted March 3, 2011 Hate to ask, but with a player like Clutterbuck, who takes runs at players, wasn't this just a matter of time? Now I don't think a hit to his head is right, but Clutterbuck is like Tootoo but at least Tootoo isn't a coward and he goes around making questionable hits on skilled players. This wouldnt be a problem but as has been pointed out he just hits and hides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
