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Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

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Holland's most recent signings:

Ericsson

Modano

Bertuzzi

Hudler

Howard

Salei

and a little further back,

Drake

Lang

Lets give him props for the Howard signing at a bargain price,and the acquisition of Drake who was a factor in our cup run.

Salei was a value signing,but little risk,little reward. :zzz:

The others.....pure genius. :clap:

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Negotiations probably went something like this:

Holland: We'll give you 2.25 million

Big E: Hmmm, close, but I'd need to know what my role on the team would be. I won't sign if I'm not a pivotal part of the D.

Holland: Oh for sure, we'll make you top 4 and use you in all kinds of situations.

Big E: Well in that case, I'm not signing for anywhere near 2.25 million, hahahaha.

Holland: F***, you got me.

Agent: Not sure what this kid pays me for, damn he's good.

Was funnier in my head, I'm on an hour of sleep here people, have mercy.

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I think Ericsson has a lot to prove this season. If he doesn't earn his pay then he deserves to be traded. He has potential and hopefully this year he'll be able to focus better and live up to it, prove all the doubters wrong. I would love to see him succeed and if/when that happens I'd like to be as a Wing.

I do think that the contract was a little high but it might just turn out to be a great deal.

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Wow. I go out for the night and don't get to check out signings and this happens? Obviously an overpayment, but I'm going to try not to get too bent out of shape. Maybe he'll be paired with Lidstrom and used in more situations? I can't see Kenny signing him for this if he's only going to be #5 on the depth chart? Am I off base here?

Unfortunately....yes.

See my post here:

Holland basically stated that he signed Ericsson with the intention of having him be the 5th defenseman. Which just makes me raise my eyebrow even higher.

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Wow. Ericsson got a lot more than I expected.

He definitely benefitted from the cap going up, Detroit's current defensive situation, and the market out there for D-men. I wonder if he had a serious offer from another team Holland had to beat.

Because Holland hadn't locked anyone up, can imagine if Ericsson walked too? The Wings defensive corps would be Lids, Kronwall, Stuart... Kindl? Smith? Janik?

The bottom line is, with this contract, it's going to miserable here at LGW. People act like he's the worst defenseman to play the game at 900k. Now with this contract I'm sure they're lighting the torches and getting the pitchforks already.

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Dont bring his mom into it.

Hes Big

Hes Strong

and hes a limp wristed *****.

We cant afford to keep him on the team. We can monetarily handle it but the Wings arent going to WIN with him on the team. He got signed for one of two things...

1. Hes set to be traded to Toronto or Winni or Ottawa. OH GOD PLEASE MAKE IT TRUE.

2. Holland bluffed and waited and lost. Now hes picking up the pieces.

3. Im a total idiot that has no room to talk and we have a Grade A defense crew next year

I dont think #3 is the case.

Don't know about the total idiot thing but your lack of empathy and understanding about how serious illness can affect ANYone is obvious.

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The scary part is if Ericsson is getting that much, what is Kaberle and the few Dmen left going to go for? (he hasn't signed yet, has he?)

EDIT: Just saw Wiz signed for $5.5. Wow.

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I don't know why Ericsson's size is consistently mentioned as his saving grace, the guy plays like a complete ***** and barely utilizes his size at all...if this is his only positive attribute for $3.25 million then it's gonna be another rough year on defense.

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I'm seriously like LOOOOOL at everyone who were ragging on people for questioning Kenny.

At three 'n' a quarter he better start playing like he doesn't put paint chips on his wheaties.

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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So I'm guessing Ericsson is slotted into the #4 spot by default. I don't think he's as bad as everyone here tries to make him out, but even I think that's a big step up based on his performance last season. Fortunately it'll likely only mean another minute or so of ice time. Maybe not any depending on who's on the bottom two.

That's what makes this even scarier. Kindl didn't look ready to step in for a full season last year, but now I guess he has to be. And Holland will hopefully go out and find an experience bottom pairing guy who also plays on the PK, to help distribute the minutes more evenly.

I'm definitely worried about the Wings blueline. For those who were always bitching about Rafalski being overpaid, well, you got your wish.

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I am sure that with how disgruntle people are about this signing here, I am about ready to pour gas on the proverbial fire, but what the hell! It is a good day!

While I can guess that Holland would rather not have signed big E for $3.25M/yr, here are theories as to why it happened that way. (That don't already include the Holland is dumb, smoking crack, drunk, or Big E has some questionable photos of Holland.)

While you can look, in general at the salaries of all d-men, and plop E into a 'in general' grouping of perhaps $2-2.5M/yr. Here are things to up the ante for him:

- The 'great' FA d-men, are few (if you can even argue that there are 'great' ones in the list, and not just pretty good.) The demand on the ones available will be higher, so thus, will probably get slightly more this off-season than what their 'true' market value is. Other teams, because of the 'good' d-man shortage this year would have been willing to gamble more than $2.5M on him, driving up his value.

- We will not have McCrimmon as the d-coach next year. His taint affected the d as a whole, not just Ericsson.

- Holland must believe there is still untapped potential with Ericsson. He is still young, healthy, and the biggest d-man we currently have. He is also familiar with the team (the whole the devil you know...). There is a lot of intangible value there.

So, the question for Holland before re-signing Ericsson becomes this:

Can I get 3 d-men via free market, farm system, and trades to replace Rafalski, Salei, and Ericsson that keeps our D comparable or better than the 2010-11 D that we had cheaper than if I keep Ericsson for $3.25M/yr and just have to replace Rafalski and Salei?

Obviously, Holland didn't want to chance it and thought the better bet was to keep him, albeit for more than he might have wanted to spend.

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I am sure that with how disgruntle people are about this signing here, I am about ready to pour gas on the proverbial fire, but what the hell! It is a good day!

While I can guess that Holland would rather not have signed big E for $3.25M/yr, here are theories as to why it happened that way. (That don't already include the Holland is dumb, smoking crack, drunk, or Big E has some questionable photos of Holland.)

While you can look, in general at the salaries of all d-men, and plop E into a 'in general' grouping of perhaps $2-2.5M/yr. Here are things to up the ante for him:

- The 'great' FA d-men, are few (if you can even argue that there are 'great' ones in the list, and not just pretty good.) The demand on the ones available will be higher, so thus, will probably get slightly more this off-season than what their 'true' market value is. Other teams, because of the 'good' d-man shortage this year would have been willing to gamble more than $2.5M on him, driving up his value.

- We will not have McCrimmon as the d-coach next year. His taint affected the d as a whole, not just Ericsson.

- Holland must believe there is still untapped potential with Ericsson. He is still young, healthy, and the biggest d-man we currently have. He is also familiar with the team (the whole the devil you know...). There is a lot of intangible value there.

So, the question for Holland before re-signing Ericsson becomes this:

Can I get 3 d-men via free market, farm system, and trades to replace Rafalski, Salei, and Ericsson that keeps our D comparable or better than the 2010-11 D that we had cheaper than if I keep Ericsson for $3.25M/yr and just have to replace Rafalski and Salei?

Obviously, Holland didn't want to chance it and thought the better bet was to keep him, albeit for more than he might have wanted to spend.

Well said, especially the bolded part. I think this contract is overpayment, but I can see the circumstances that led to it.

I can understand Rafalski keeping his decision private because he didn't want to make the season about him, but at the same time, I really wish he had given Holland a heads up as soon as he was certain about retiring.

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Soooo, this contract or Kopecky's in Florida as the worst signings so far in the last few days? I can't believe Kopecky got 12 mill over 4 years.

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The price is inflated and an overpayment by easily a million, but that's the reality of the new NHL with the Salary Cap going up. It's not like players are going to take the same money with a higher ceiling available.

I support Big E as he remains a Wing, even if I'd be happy to see him walk. He needs to get serious about his role with the team, though.

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Soooo, this contract or Kopecky's in Florida as the worst signings so far in the last few days? I can't believe Kopecky got 12 mill over 4 years.

Meh, I would still rather have E than Kopecky.

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Ken Holland's cap philosophy is to: Sign players near or under market value, and have them play above their pay grade. This is a huge overpayment. I just don't see Ericsson living up to his cap number. He's basically a 6'5 Lebda. Could Ericsson improve his play? Sure, and he better! The Wings need to get someone in here and teach this guy how to use his size out there. Maybe someone needs to piss in this guy's breakfast everyday and get him pissed off. He needs an edge. As far as Ken Holland goes, he needs to get his sh!t together. This has PANIC MOVE written all over it. I think it's fair to assume a hand full of the D-Men he was targeting got scooped up before today. And this is the result. A huge overpayment. Totally against his cap philosophy.

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Whoa, this is a terrible signing. I can't believe Holland would ever sign something like this. He must really expect E to play like a Top 4 defenseman this year. I don't like paying players for potential, especially when they haven't shown much.

Man..how did the rumors get it so wrong? Over 3 mil is a big difference from 1.8. And geez, how did Holland let E take him to the cleaners? The original offer was 2 million! I'm beginning to wonder if E is our "big defenseman signing." Disaster in the making. Reminds me of Kronwall getting a similar contract, only Kronwall had tons of potential.

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Whoa, this is a terrible signing. I can't believe Holland would ever sign something like this. He must really expect E to play like a Top 4 defenseman this year. I don't like paying players for potential, especially when they haven't shown much.

Man..how did the rumors get it so wrong? Over 3 mil is a big difference from 1.8. And geez, how did Holland let E take him to the cleaners? The original offer was 2 million! I'm beginning to wonder if E is our "big defenseman signing." Disaster in the making. Reminds me of Kronwall getting a similar contract, only Kronwall had tons of potential.

As I said, PANIC MOVE.

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I am sure that with how disgruntle people are about this signing here, I am about ready to pour gas on the proverbial fire, but what the hell! It is a good day!

While I can guess that Holland would rather not have signed big E for $3.25M/yr, here are theories as to why it happened that way. (That don't already include the Holland is dumb, smoking crack, drunk, or Big E has some questionable photos of Holland.)

While you can look, in general at the salaries of all d-men, and plop E into a 'in general' grouping of perhaps $2-2.5M/yr. Here are things to up the ante for him:

- The 'great' FA d-men, are few (if you can even argue that there are 'great' ones in the list, and not just pretty good.) The demand on the ones available will be higher, so thus, will probably get slightly more this off-season than what their 'true' market value is. Other teams, because of the 'good' d-man shortage this year would have been willing to gamble more than $2.5M on him, driving up his value.

- We will not have McCrimmon as the d-coach next year. His taint affected the d as a whole, not just Ericsson.

- Holland must believe there is still untapped potential with Ericsson. He is still young, healthy, and the biggest d-man we currently have. He is also familiar with the team (the whole the devil you know...). There is a lot of intangible value there.

So, the question for Holland before re-signing Ericsson becomes this:

Can I get 3 d-men via free market, farm system, and trades to replace Rafalski, Salei, and Ericsson that keeps our D comparable or better than the 2010-11 D that we had cheaper than if I keep Ericsson for $3.25M/yr and just have to replace Rafalski and Salei?

Obviously, Holland didn't want to chance it and thought the better bet was to keep him, albeit for more than he might have wanted to spend.

You are right about the circumstances that drove Ericsson's price up, but not the reason that Holland agreed to pay him. Ericsson has not proven to be any better than any other average defenseman. We did not need to overpay Ericsson because we could've gotten virtually any no-name bottom pairing defenseman for cheaper and had a seamless transition. Holland is paying for what he hopes is potential. It's not dumb, because Holland is a brilliant GM, but it is likely a mistake.

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I don't understand some of the response from a lot of you Ericsson and Holland haters here. What do you really know that's not out there for the rest of us hockey fans to read?

Do you think Holland should have paid Wisniewski 5.5 mill for 6 years, knowing he still needed a forward and back-up goalie? Do you not believe Holland knew what Wis could possibly get within the expanding cap?

Do you believe Ericsson couldn't have earned that much on the open market?

WHAT defenseman would logically go after, KNOWING what else you had to work out for your team, and knowing the price would be overblown because of the expanding cap?

What have you heard that Holland hasn't heard? What do you know that Holland DOESN'T know? Unless any of you are mind-readers, your rants mean next to nothing.

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I don't understand some of the response from a lot of you Ericsson and Holland haters here. What do you really know that's not out there for the rest of us hockey fans to read?

Do you think Holland should have paid Wisniewski 5.5 mill for 6 years, knowing he still needed a forward and back-up goalie? Do you not believe Holland knew what Wis would get within the expanding cap?

Do you believe Ericsson couldn't have earned that much on the open market?

WHAT defenseman would logically go after, KNOWING what else you had to work out for your team, and knowing the price would be overblown because of the expanding cap?

What have you heard that Holland hasn't heard? What do you know that Holland DOESN'T know? Unless any of you are mind-readers, your rants mean next to nothing.

We could have paid that and still afforded a top 6 forward and a backup goalie.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110701/SPORTS05/107010406/1053/sports05 This article mentions E is slated to be a 5th D-man. It may just be pure speculation by the author, but why would a 5th pairing d-man get that much money? I have a feeling with the lack of D-men out there E is the top 4 guy.

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We could have paid that and still afforded a top 6 forward and a backup goalie.

http://www.freep.com...6/1053/sports05 This article mentions E is slated to be a 5th D-man. It may just be pure speculation by the author, but why would a 5th pairing d-man get that much money? I have a feeling with the lack of D-men out there E is the top 4 guy.

I will ask again. Don't you think E could have made that much money on the open market?

And yeah, the difference between me and a lot of you on here is that I think he has the potential to be a solid defenseman. Especially with a good defensive coach hiring. The no-hope attitude about him on this thread is mind-boggling.

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