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Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

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My take on this is that Ericsson was signed with the full intent of putting him on the trade block.

There are still a list of teams who need to spend to reach the cap floor. There isn't a lot left out there to spend on, and no way is Richards going to a bad team.

Thus someone could step up and try to get Ericsson.

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But that was my point. Crappy defensemen are a dime a dozen and I was told I was wrong. That there was no one else out there in the league who could do what Ericsson does for cheaper.

Commodore doesn't prove your point. He's a defensive defenseman taking the 6th/7th spot. Like it or not, with Rafalski gone, Ericsson is one of the Wings best puck moving defenseman behind Lids and Kronwall.

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Ugh, way to go. Well guess we are waiting until the trading block or next year to be a Cup Contender.

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Maybe Kenny has someting up his sleeve regarding Ericsson. A sign and trade? Ah Kenny doesn't make trades. I'll come back to reality now.

Lol I only wish he did

Commodore doesn't prove your point. He's a defensive defenseman taking the 6th/7th spot. Like it or not, with Rafalski gone, Ericsson is one of the Wings best puck moving defenseman behind Lids and Kronwall.

Stuart also

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Kindl is better at moving the puck than Ericsson too.

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Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html

Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him."

That makes...

Lidstrom-Kronwall

Stuart-Ericsson

Kindl-Commodore

Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement?

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Lol. Datsyuk was known as a playoff bust and Kenny Holland re-signed him to that 7 year deal when the salary cap was really low. Kronwall didn't show his worth in his cap area either. Lots of angry LGWs fans. Similar to now... nothing's changed around here.

Ericsson has shown he has great potential. He's had some very solid games and Babcock and Holland (Holland with the best scouting staff in the game) believe in him. I guess LGWs has more hockey intelligence than DRWs brass?

I love comments like this. I suppose the J Williams and Modano signings were brilliant moves as well? Because pretty sure most Wings fans were pissed about both them, but Holland and Co. are all knowing..... It is ok to think for yourself on here...

This defense is going to be hilarious to watch this year. Did we address any actual needs other than resigning Lidstrom?

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Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html

Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him."

That makes...

Lidstrom-Kronwall

Stuart-Ericsson

Kindl-Commodore

Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement?

Looks more like Kronwall replaced him to me.

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Lol I only wish he did

Stuart also

Stuart is a better overall D-man, but Ericsson has a better first pass than Stuart.

Kindl is better at moving the puck than Ericsson too.

No he isn't.

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I'm still trying to make sense of this contract so I'll re-post here what I wrote in the Wiz thread (since this is probably the better place to put it anyway):

Look at what everyone got this week. Ehrhoff, the playoff's worst +/- (-13), is going to make more money next season than Crosby.

Leino, Laich and Fleischmann are signed to a cap hit of 4.5 million over the next 4-6 years. :scared:

Jovocop had 14pts in 50 games last season... He's 35 years old and the Panthers signed him to a 4 year contract with a 4.125 million cap hit.

Brewer was very solid for the Lightning in the playoffs he actually had a significant drop in offensive production after they got him from St. Louis (2pts in his 22 games with TB compared to 14 in 54 games in St. Louis). But did he deserve 3.85 million a season for 4 years? While I'd rather have Brewer on the Wings for that price, Ericsson's numbers are virtually identical to Brewer's but E's 5 years younger and trending upwards. Brewer's numbers have declined since his peak season in 06-07. Like I said-- if we're talking about next season in isolation I'd take Brewer over Ericsson. But Brewer will be 36 when his deal ends and Ericsson will be 30. I doubt at that point E will be the worse choice. Ericsson will have to get better to justify his contract by growing as a player. However, we can safely assume he's got a better shot to grow at this point than Brewer does (who's 32, declining and has 12 NHL seasons under his belt).

When word filtered out that E's contract was worth 3.25 million it felt like a punch in the gut. Now that I've looked at the signings that went down so far I don't feel quite as bad. Frigging Barker was waived by Minny and bought out after posting 5pts and a -10 in 52 games last year but he got 2.25 million from Edmonton (yeah I know he scored 40pts once in Chicago but he's obviously not that player anymore... at least he wasn't that player in Minny!).

I mean s***... a 37 year old Hamrlik got 3.5 mil a year for 2 years with Washington. How much tread could he possibly have left on his tires?!? Is Hamrlik going to get 2:33 mins of pp time per game in Washington? He got 15 of his 34 points on Montreal's PP. He'll have to get comparable time on Washington's pp to replicate those numbers.

This year's cap increase really messed the market up (in my opinion).

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Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html

Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him."

That makes...

Lidstrom-Kronwall

Stuart-Ericsson

Kindl-Commodore

Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement?

Rafalski was the second d-choice on the PP and we'll certainly see Kronwall moved into that role. Rafi didn't play a second on the PK while Ericsson certainly will. I don't think it's fair to say E is Rafi's replacement in any sense of the word. Ericsson's going to be the 4th d-man on the Wings where-as Rafi was the 2nd best offensive defenseman. The Wings will expect growth from Kronwall (a fair bet) as he shows whether he can be the legit #1 option on the PP and PK.

There really wasn't a player of Rafi's offensive calibre on the UFA market his year. Rafi is certainly one of the best offensive defensemen to come out of the US.

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Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html

Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him."

That makes...

Lidstrom-Kronwall

Stuart-Ericsson

Kindl-Commodore

Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement?

Looks more like Kronwall replaced him to me.

Exactly. In his own post he has Kronwall in the #2 spot.

Talk about trying to stir s*** up. :rolleyes:

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If the current defence core doesn't play up to Holland's expectations I certainly expect Kenny will make a move or acquisition to rectify the problem.

We should be happy Holland didn't sign Errorhoff to a 40 million dollar 10 year contract.

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Rafalski was the second d-choice on the PP and we'll certainly see Kronwall moved into that role. Rafi didn't play a second on the PK while Ericsson certainly will. I don't think it's fair to say E is Rafi's replacement in any sense of the word. Ericsson's going to be the 4th d-man on the Wings where-as Rafi was the 2nd best offensive defenseman. The Wings will expect growth from Kronwall (a fair bet) as he shows whether he can be the legit #1 option on the PP and PK.

There really wasn't a player of Rafi's offensive calibre on the UFA market his year. Rafi is certainly one of the best offensive defensemen to come out of the US.

Very level-headed view of things, I like it. I don't like Ericsson's contract either, but with the way everything went down, it's right in line with the inflation seen across the UFA signings. I like us bringing in Commadore as he has a lot prove and will effectively take over Salei's spot and be much more aggressive (something this team has been missing since Fischer).

I honestly do not feel that Holland is done looking at d-men via trade. I think he'll certainly look at Ian White and Anton Babchuk as options, relegating Kindl/Commadore to depth positions (competing for playing time). I also wouldn't be surprised with over 9 million in cap if Holland doesn't look at trade options as well.

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Ericsson gets modified NTC per cap geeks twitter.

its gets worse and worse.

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Ericsson gets modified NTC per cap geeks twitter.

its gets worse and worse.

I just was going to post this too......... OMG what a bad deal.

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Ericsson gets modified NTC per cap geeks twitter.

its gets worse and worse.

"Modified NTC"... means what exactly? We've seen over the last few weeks that the NTC is virtually worthless at detering a trade (does anyone believe Brian Campbell wanted to go to Florida?). GM's seem very comfortable burying players in the minors now. So the reality seems to be this:

If a GM wants to get rid of a player with a NTC they can give them these options:

A) Take this trade to the following NHL team with whom I have a deal in place,

B) Go through waivers and have any team choose you (with priority going to the worst teams)

or

C) Pass through waivers and end up playing in the AHL where you'll be riding the bus for 6 hours to your back-to-back-to-back road games

Given any of those options a player is going pick A but if they're fine with B/C the GM will be too.

What would be scary is if it was a NMC (no movement clause). A NTC doesn't prevent waiving players.

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The 6-foot-4, 220-pound Ericsson showed tremendous promise when called up from the Grand Rapids Griffins late in the 2008-09 season and had a strong playoff run.

But he has struggled with many issues since then. He has been mistake-prone and has lacked consistency.

Still, the Red Wings believe Ericsson has tremendous potential and didn’t want to lose him for nothing to free agency. General manager Ken Holland does not believe he overpaid for him.

"It’s the going rate, if you look at what’s happened (in free agency). If Big E’s on the market he would have gotten more money," Holland said. "As we’ve seen (with some of Friday’s signings), everybody covets defensemen. His best years are ahead of him."

Holland still is searching for a top-four defenseman through free agency or a trade. If he doesn’t land one, Ericsson will fill that role.

Babcock said he hadn’t decided who Ericsson will be paired with or whether he would be used on the power play.

This is directly from our GM and Coach. See, we are looking for a top 4 d-man still, so everyone can stop freaking out and assume that we are sitting on our hands or that Commy was the only intended Defensive move. I'm confident Holland will do everything in his power to bring in a top 4 that MAKES SENSE. If Ericsson is it, than there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform and step up. Holland is right about the going rate and that Ericsson could have probably gotten somewhat more on the bloated market. Dallas really wanted him, I remember reading.

If this is it for our Defense, than we'll have some options next off-season or at the trade deadline perhaps.

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This is directly from our GM and Coach. See, we are looking for a top 4 d-man still, so everyone can stop freaking out and assume that we are sitting on our hands or that Commy was the only intended Defensive move. I'm confident Holland will do everything in his power to bring in a top 4 that MAKES SENSE. If Ericsson is it, than there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform and step up. Holland is right about the going rate and that Ericsson could have probably gotten somewhat more on the bloated market. Dallas really wanted him, I remember reading.

If this is it for our Defense, than we'll have some options next off-season or at the trade deadline perhaps.

Yandle please!

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This is directly from our GM and Coach. See, we are looking for a top 4 d-man still, so everyone can stop freaking out and assume that we are sitting on our hands or that Commy was the only intended Defensive move. I'm confident Holland will do everything in his power to bring in a top 4 that MAKES SENSE. If Ericsson is it, than there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform and step up. Holland is right about the going rate and that Ericsson could have probably gotten somewhat more on the bloated market. Dallas really wanted him, I remember reading.

If this is it for our Defense, than we'll have some options next off-season or at the trade deadline perhaps.

Everyone keeps saying this like it's a defense of the signing. If he could make more elsewhere, LET HIM GO MAKE MORE ELSEWHERE! I see the point of the going rate for defensemen, but anyone who thinks theres even a tiny chance Big E fills Rafalski's shoes (successfully) in the Top 2 is delirious. I know Holland said he's still looking, but that "we could always just rely on Ericsson for our Top 2 replacement" quote sounds an awful lot like "this is what we'll be doing since there's nobody out there."

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Everyone keeps saying this like it's a defense of the signing. If he could make more elsewhere, LET HIM GO MAKE MORE ELSEWHERE! I see the point of the going rate for defensemen, but anyone who thinks theres even a tiny chance Big E fills Rafalski's shoes (successfully) in the Top 2 is delirious. I know Holland said he's still looking, but that "we could always just rely on Ericsson for our Top 2 replacement" quote sounds an awful lot like "this is what we'll be doing since there's nobody out there."

If you read what Holland has said and what I said, you'd understand that no one is stating Ericsson is replacing Rafalski. Where do you get this s***? Read! Holland is doing what he can to get a top 4 defender, but pickings are slim. If we can't, he'll expect the ENTIRE defensive unit to pick up their games to offset the loss. It is, after all, a team sport.

I'm making the best of the situation instead of bitching about it. It's called being positive and trying to see the bright side. Give it a try.

Oh, and who do you suggest we replace him with? White? Babchuk? Wizniewski was never coming here, Ehrhoff was already locked down in Buffalo. Enlighten me. The fact of the matter is that no matter what Ericsson has done to this point, he has potential. The entire management wouldn't have approved of this, otherwise. I don't agree with the way we paid him, I'd rather he prove it beforehand, but it was a risk that Holland felt we needed to take. He has faith in the guy, and I'm sure there was conversation of expectations. His contract is not too big to trade, in this market.

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Everyone keeps saying this like it's a defense of the signing. If he could make more elsewhere, LET HIM GO MAKE MORE ELSEWHERE! I see the point of the going rate for defensemen, but anyone who thinks theres even a tiny chance Big E fills Rafalski's shoes (successfully) in the Top 2 is delirious. I know Holland said he's still looking, but that "we could always just rely on Ericsson for our Top 2

replacement" quote sounds an awful lot like "this is what we'll be doing since there's nobody out there."

110% agree with everything you said.

If you read what Holland has said and what I said, you'd understand that no one is stating Ericsson is replacing Rafalski. Where do you get this s***? Read! Holland is doing what he can to get a top 4 defender, but pickings are slim. If we can't, he'll expect the ENTIRE defensive unit to pick up their games to offset the loss. It is, after all, a team sport.

I'm making the best of the situation instead of bitching about it. It's called being positive and trying to see the bright side. Give it a try.

There's a difference between being positive and sticking your head in the sand.

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110% agree with everything you said.

There's a difference between being positive and sticking your head in the sand.

There has been a pattern of your peers with the same viewpoint to put down those who accept what is at hand and not provide any suggestions for how you would do things better, other than "let him walk."

I was pissed about the signing at first, but you know what, I got over it. I realized that he would command that money on the open market, and frankly, his potential matches that of Babchuk or White. We weren't going to get any big names that were young. And our trade pieces aren't that enticing at this point in time.

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