Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted November 14, 2011 Assuming Bertuzzi, Lidstrom, and Holmstrom retire, Hudler is let go, and Stuart leaves in search of a job closer to home, how about something like: Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Franzen Cleary-Filppula-Nyquist Abdelkader-Helm-Glencross Moen-Mursak-Eaves Miller Suter-Kronwall Gleason-White Ericsson-O'Brien Kindl O'Brien and Kindl can rotate in and out of the lineup. It's probably a little too early to see if Hudler is actually let go. The loyalty factor could be what keeps him here. We get a lot younger, while keeping a lot of veteran championship experience with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted November 14, 2011 Assuming Bertuzzi, Lidstrom, and Holmstrom retire, Hudler is let go, and Stuart leaves in search of a job closer to home, how about something like: Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Franzen Cleary-Filppula-Nyquist Abdelkader-Helm-Glencross Moen-Mursak-Eaves Miller Suter-Kronwall Gleason-White Ericsson-O'Brien Kindl O'Brien and Kindl can rotate in and out of the lineup. It's probably a little too early to see if Hudler is actually let go. The loyalty factor could be what keeps him here. We get a lot younger, while keeping a lot of veteran championship experience with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I like the physicality aspect, but we'd be screwed with that second line. We wouldn't be able to score goals at all. Hell, our top liners aren't scoring consistently anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted November 14, 2011 I like the physicality aspect, but we'd be screwed with that second line. We wouldn't be able to score goals at all. Hell, our top liners aren't scoring consistently anymore. No way Holland trades any of them, though. Whether we like it or not, the players in the top 6 aren't going anywhere. The way i see it, we'll be lucky if Hudler is let go. Cleary has looked awful out of place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 14, 2011 Okay, I've been absent from this board for far too long, and this thread is right in my wheelhouse, so here is my take on the line combos..... For me, you have to play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together. I know that they've appeared to struggle when played together so far this year, but the entire team has struggled. Also, I just hate Cleary playing on the top line. I like the guy, but he just doesn't seem to fit. So.....here is how I'd line everyone up. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Holmstrom (Don't rag on Homer too bad.....he really is most useful fetching pucks and has really seemed, dare I say it, quicker than usual.) Hudler, Filppula, Franzen (Yeah, I actually like this line.....and I think Hudler really plays well with Flip.) Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Cleary Miller, Helm, Eaves (Rotate in Brunnstrom with Miller.) Lidstrom, White Stuart, Kronwall Kindl, Ericsson Rotate Commodore and Kindl, and I think he'll push Kindl to play at a higher level. So, that's it for now. Go ahead and rake me over the coals......I know you will.. LOL Stick around! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted November 16, 2011 Datsyuk needs help. If they're not going to call up Nyquist then this is what I'd do: Hudler - Datsyuk - Eaves Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen Cleary - Helm - Abdelkader Brunnstrom - Miller - Holmstrom 1st line is small, but Eaves brings speed and energy, and Hudler brings some skill. It might not work, but it is worth a shot. 2nd line stays the same. 3rd line is virtually the same, just swapping Cleary and Hudler. 4th line is a mixture of everything, but they won't play much. No Emmerton because he needs a seat, his play tonight was pathetic. Learn how to win a faceoff young man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted November 16, 2011 Datsyuk needs help. DESPERATELY. Wayne Gretzky might have gone on a 10 game scoring drought in today's NHL with Cleary and Holmstrom on his wings. FILPPULA-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Hudler-Zetterberg-Franzen CLEARY-Helm-Abdelkader Miller-Emmerton-Eaves...Bertuzzi, Brunnstrom Get Datsyuk some help. He's got tremendous chemistry with Filppula. Hudler adaquetly replaces Val on the second line. Cleary goes to the bottom six where he belongs (unless Homer's taking a break). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 968 Report post Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) Im actually starting to feel bad for Pavel now and Im also starting to think bad things about Babcock...He tries everything to jump start lines trying endless options to the point of head scratching results but wont touch the line of Cleary-Datsyuk-Holmstrom?? Makes no sence at all to me. It also (like Aussie wing stated) makes no sence at all to break up Flip, Z and Mule those guys are money. At this point I think our bottom six will work with any number of combos, and they have proven it. All Babs has to do is remove Cleary (in my mind anyway) and put him down to line three or four. My though of Cleary (I do love him) ...IMO if Cleary is going to get 20 goals he's getting them from hard work and grinding down his opponents, like the way you play on a line three or four not finishing highlight reel plays on line one with Pasha. Edited November 17, 2011 by 13dangledangle 1 lil Wing's fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted November 16, 2011 Datsyuk needs help. If they're not going to call up Nyquist then this is what I'd do: Hudler - Datsyuk - Eaves Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen Cleary - Helm - Abdelkader Brunnstrom - Miller - Holmstrom FILPPULA-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Hudler-Zetterberg-Franzen CLEARY-Helm-Abdelkader Miller-Emmerton-Eaves...Bertuzzi, Brunnstrom I think Aussie's lines probably work better. Eaves is very similar to Cleary in skill set and playing style, but Eaves has played well this year. Huds/Dats/Eaves could be the new Huds/Dats/Cleary (as I have suggested in the past). It allows for FZF to stay together, puts Cleary with Helm and Abdelkader on a hard grinding line that should get him going. It's also a situation where he can be a direct swap with Eaves if Cleary suddenly turns it on and/or Eaves looks out of place. Homer, Miller, Emmerton, Brunnstrom, Bert are all left for the fourth line. I'm going to go with Miller/Emmerton/Holmstrom(Bertuzzi) as my line here. Homer's play has definitely tailed off, Emmerton hasn't been as good the past couple games as he was to start the year. Miller knows he was the #14 on the roster coming into the year (including Mursak) and has simply put his game in a different gear. Don't see it lasting, but you have to roll with him in the lineup. On defense, there's no Ian White and Ericsson once again proved he can't handle the top-pairing duty. We saw Stuart out on the PP against St. Louis, so it's obvious he's the LAST choice for Babcock among potential PP quarterbacks. Brendan Smith would seem the obvious choice to slot right in, and I'm sure he'll get time there, but Kindl getting most of the "Lidstrom-time" and Smith with Ericsson or Stuart on the third pairing makes the most sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted November 17, 2011 I think Aussie's lines probably work better. Eaves is very similar to Cleary in skill set and playing style, but Eaves has played well this year. Huds/Dats/Eaves could be the new Huds/Dats/Cleary (as I have suggested in the past). It allows for FZF to stay together, puts Cleary with Helm and Abdelkader on a hard grinding line that should get him going. It's also a situation where he can be a direct swap with Eaves if Cleary suddenly turns it on and/or Eaves looks out of place. Homer, Miller, Emmerton, Brunnstrom, Bert are all left for the fourth line. I'm going to go with Miller/Emmerton/Holmstrom(Bertuzzi) as my line here. Homer's play has definitely tailed off, Emmerton hasn't been as good the past couple games as he was to start the year. Miller knows he was the #14 on the roster coming into the year (including Mursak) and has simply put his game in a different gear. Don't see it lasting, but you have to roll with him in the lineup. On defense, there's no Ian White and Ericsson once again proved he can't handle the top-pairing duty. We saw Stuart out on the PP against St. Louis, so it's obvious he's the LAST choice for Babcock among potential PP quarterbacks. Brendan Smith would seem the obvious choice to slot right in, and I'm sure he'll get time there, but Kindl getting most of the "Lidstrom-time" and Smith with Ericsson or Stuart on the third pairing makes the most sense. I don't think Eaves has shown anything this year to earn top line time even if Homer has "tailed off" a bit in the last couple games. Try him in White's spot on the PP, and in Homer's spot when we want a defensive replacement. Then if he does well you can give him more. He also looks better with Miller and Emmy than Homer, Bert, or Bruno do. Flip-Pav-Homer(Eaves) Huds-Hank-Mule Abby-Helm-Cleary Miller-Emmy-Eaves PP1: Flip-Pav-Homer Nick-Eaves PP2: Mule-Hank-Cleary Nik-Huds Or for something outside-the-box we could try Pav or Hank (or both) on the point. Maybe that could somehow spark them and/or our anemic PP. Eaves-Flip-Homer Nick-Pav Huds-Mule-Cleary Nik-Hank Doesn't look very good, but it couldn't be worse than what we saw against St.Louis. (Though probably better to just hope Smith can come in and help.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lil Wing's fan 1 Report post Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) My though of Cleary (I do love him) ...IMO if Cleary is going to get 20 goals he's getting them from hard work and grinding down his opponents, like the way you play on a line three or four not finishing highlight reel plays on line one with Pasha. This. Sums up clearys role well. Edited November 17, 2011 by lil Wing's fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted November 18, 2011 babs revamped the lines tonight...http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/11/brendan_smith_excited_for_nhl.html Franzen-Datsyuk-Abdelkader Filppula-Zetterberg-Cleary Hudler-Helm-Brunnstrom Miller-Emmerton-Holmstrom *Eaves *Bertuzzi Lidstrom-Ericsson Kronwall-Smith Kindl-Stuart *Commodore *White Howard Conklin PP: Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom, Lidstrom-Smith/Kronwall ...Babcock said that Hudler, Brunnstrom and Holmstrom would rotate in for Abdelkader; and also that he wanted Cleary to focus on getting back to playing in front of the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) these are the lines I want Babcock to try out... Franzen, Zetterberg, Cleary Brunnstrom, Datsyuk, Nyquist Hudler, Filppula, Eaves Abdelkader, Helm, Bertuzzi Holmstrom Miller Lidstrom, Smith Kronwall, Kindl Stuart, Ericsson Commodore Howard Conklin Edited November 19, 2011 by robb himself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted November 19, 2011 Due to popular demand here on the board...I'm starting one official 'blueadams lines thread,' and I'm going to update it throughout the season (as opposed to starting 50+ different lines threads). Real Lineup: ...latest update(11/19): http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/11/red_wings_todd_bertuzzi_feels.html Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Filppula-Zetterberg-Cleary Hudler-Helm-Abdelkader Miller-Emmerton-Holmstrom/Eaves *Brunnstrom Lidstrom-Ericsson Kronwall-Smith Kindl-Stuart *Commodore *White(hurt) Howard Conklin bert's been plugged back into the top line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted November 20, 2011 i guess if bert's going to play, i'm glad that it's with mule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted November 20, 2011 i guess if bert's going to play, i'm glad that it's with mule. Except they both have a tendency to float around and do nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I was thinking the other day; in Hudler's 2008-09 season he was very effective on the second PP unit. How did that PP unit go? The first unit was: Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Hossa, Lidstrom/Rafalski The second unit was: Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler, Kronwall/Samuelsson. So why not take from that and do something like this: Bertuzzi(Holmstrom)/Datsyuk/Filppula Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler Abdelkader/Helm/Cleary Holmstrom(Bertuzzi)/Emmerton/Miller(Eaves) Brunnstrom Run the top two lines, save for swapping Homer in for Bert, on the PP. Cleary and Bert work in up front. On D, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea to go with Lids/Kronwall and rotate Kindl, Ericsson, and Smith on the second unit. Or maybe Lids/Smith, Kronwall/Kindl. But we know that the Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler unit works very well on the PP; why not go back to it? Edited November 21, 2011 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted November 25, 2011 Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi Cleary-Helm-Abdelkader Hudler-Emmerton-Miller/Eaves Brunnstrom This is how I'd like to see them rolled. ...Problems: The Filppula-Zetterberg-Cleary line blows. Holmstrom sucks in the bottom six. We don't have a checking line. ...Solutions: 1) We need to get Zetterberg going somehow. The guy he's had the most chemistry with lately seems to be Franzen (who, IMO, doesn't really have great chemistry with Pav). So put Mule on Hank's wing. Bert, for whatever reason, only seems to not be completely worthless in the top six when he's playing with Bert (and, IMO, he doesn't really have great chemistry with Pav either). Make him the third man. 2) Still need to keep Pav going. Fortunately, the two guys that he has the best chemistry with (IMO) - Filppula and Holmstrom - are without a role. Put em all together. Simple enough. Now we've got two good scoring lines. Cleary and Abby (maybe Hudler?) can skate for Homer here and there when necessary. 3) Cleary doesn't belong anywhere near a top six role right now. Plug him in on the third line with Helm and Abby. Now we've got an actual checking line. Should make us more of a physical threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted November 27, 2011 now with Eaves out for a while, id like to see Brunnstrom play more games. Id like to see these lines Filppula, Zetterberg, Hudler Franzen, Datsyuk, Bertuzzi Brunnstrom, Helm, Cleary Abdelkader, Emmerton, Holmstrom Miller Lidstrom, White Kronwall, Stuart Ericsson, Kindl Commodore Howard Conklin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted December 9, 2011 Dream team: Benn-Tavares-Versteeg Brouwer-Datsyuk-Selanne Dorsett-Moss-Downie Glass-Helm-Prust -McGrattan Lidstrom-Weber Phaneuf-Gleason Erskine-O'Brien Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan4795 552 Report post Posted December 10, 2011 Dream team: Benn-Tavares-Versteeg Brouwer-Datsyuk-Selanne Dorsett-Moss-Downie Glass-Helm-Prust -McGrattan Lidstrom-Weber Phaneuf-Gleason Erskine-O'Brien I would rather have our current roster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted December 10, 2011 I would rather have our current roster agreed. the only "dream team" worthy line would be lids and weber... (if i had to make my own dream team anyway) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted December 10, 2011 I would rather have our current roster Lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted December 10, 2011 Lol You can say that again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BryceWings 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2011 Babcock always does line juggling anyway. I always see him shifting guys around to make stuff happen during games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted December 29, 2011 Franzen - Datsyuk - Bertuzzi Filppula - Zetterberg - Hudler Cleary - Helm - Mursak Miller - Abdelkader - Holmstrom There you have it, what the line-up looks like at full strength. Eaves rotating in with whoever is out of form/injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
