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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

This is the begging of the end of the Oilers season IMO.

Probably right. Having a total team breakdown over a clean hit? Fragile much?

I didn't realize the Flameys scored on the ensuing PP and moved to first in the division after the game too

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/kassian-on-suspension-have-to-respect-the-league-s-decision-but-i-d-do-it-all-over-again~1875525

Kasian on the suspension. "I'd do it all again". What a dummy. 

Mathew Tkachuk is a evil genius.  

I’d welcome a guy on my team that’ll stand up for himself, and/or a teammate.

IMHO the DoPS made a mistake here with the suspension.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

No, what's ridiculous is advocating trading proven middle six wingers (Kapanen (hypothetical) and Fabbri) just entering their prime for draft picks. It's dumb.

Trade Athanasiou for a late 1st, and "hope that young player actually plays in the NHL". I think you're actually getting the part about "hope", because a 2nd round pick is far from a guarantee, but what do you mean by "actually plays in the NHL. Isn't Athanasiou actually playing in the NHL?

Don't get me wrong, if we could get a 1st round pick for Athanasiou, I'd pull the trigger, but only because I see him as a major liability defensively, and I don't see Yzerman keeping him around long-term.

No one's getting carried away after 29 games, but Fabbri, as he is right now, is more valuable to this team (any team) than a 2nd round pick.

What does him playing with these players have to do with anything? Again, do we not want to strive to be as good as (or better than) the Leafs? Kapanen (or similar player) should have plenty of high end talented players to play with in a few years.

Now you're just using hyperbole... I'm not saying we don't need 2nd round (or later) picks. I'm saying proven players in their prime are always more valuable than these picks. But yes, I would trade a 2nd round pick straight up for Kapanen (or similar player) right now. I even advocated offer sheeting him last summer, in which the compensation would have been a 2nd round pick.

Yes its ridiculous cause you say so? ... Please man . Fabbri has a good run of 29 games and now hes some core redwing entering his prime ? Ya ok , you say im too hung on picks , well you seem to be too hung up on 3rd line guys ... we’re just gonna keep repeating the same s*** over and over , we dont agree . Simple as 

But why would you trade a player like AA for a late first when that pick might never play in the nhl? Always take the sure thing over a crapshoot draft pick, your words not mine .He’s ok to deal though cause you dont see him as a future core piece of the team? Well s*** thats how i feel about your fabbri , but im wrong and your right though right? Its called a difference of opinion and thats fine (and for the record im for trading AA since he got his 30 goals cause i like to look ahead and not get carried away in the now ) 

Yes cause right now fabbri and his 29 games are bringing alot to the table ... 31st place , if he goes off for 5 pts in 25 games that 2nd now becomes a case of beer

Ya completely disagree on kapanen , anyways like i said above we’re just gonna keep repeating the same s*** over and over again . We’re not gonna change eachothers opinions and i dont wanna keep at this for hours

 

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Yes its ridiculous cause you say so? ... Please man . Fabbri has a good run of 29 games and now hes some core redwing entering his prime ? Ya ok , you say im too hung on picks , well you seem to be too hung up on 3rd line guys ... we’re just gonna keep repeating the same s*** over and over , we dont agree . Simple as 

But why would you trade a player like AA for a late first when that pick might never play in the nhl? Always take the sure thing over a crapshoot draft pick, your words not mine .He’s ok to deal though cause you dont see him as a future core piece of the team? Well s*** thats how i feel about your fabbri , but im wrong and your right though right? Its called a difference of opinion and thats fine (and for the record im for trading AA since he got his 30 goals cause i like to look ahead and not get carried away in the now ) 

Yes cause right now fabbri and his 29 games are bringing alot to the table ... 31st place , if he goes off for 5 pts in 25 games that 2nd now becomes a case of beer

Ya completely disagree on kapanen , anyways like i said above we’re just gonna keep repeating the same s*** over and over again . We’re not gonna change eachothers opinions and i dont wanna keep at this for hours

The thing we disagree on is value. I'm not too hung up on 3rd line players. First of all, they're middle six, more than capable 2nd line wingers. Not just 3rd liners. Secondly, I think anyone would tell you that a middle six winger is more valuable than a 2nd round pick.

I would trade Athanasiou for a 1st round pick because, like I said, he's a liability defensively. When he's not scoring, he's not of much value. Fabbri is more than capable defensively. Maybe you'd move Fabbri, and you don't see him as a viable option in our middle six going forward, because you were so vocally against the trade in the beginning... It's okay to admit you were wrong on that one. Fabbri has been fantastic, and there's no reason to think he won't be going forward. And don't use the injury concern as an excuse. Fabbri is no more likely to get injured than any other smallish, skilled winger.

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RobFab is a ******* GOAT

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 hour ago, F.Michael said:

I’d welcome a guy on my team that’ll stand up for himself, and/or a teammate.

IMHO the DoPS made a mistake here with the suspension.

He wasn't standing up for himself. His pride was hurt and he couldn't handle it so he threw a tantrum. In the heat of the moment? I guess you can make the argument that it's entertaining and forgivable. 

But then you have to eat your s***e and shut your mouth. It's all this post-incident talk that makes the Oilers look like babies. 

Rewind to 08. Laperriere smokes Lidstrom. Downey throttles him. Babcock threatens to murder Granato. Lidstrom does his 11 game IR concussion thing. Everyone leaves it on the ice and shuts up. Wings win cup three months later. That's my kind of scenario. 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Yes its ridiculous cause you say so? ... Please man . Fabbri has a good run of 29 games and now hes some core redwing entering his prime ? Ya ok , you say im too hung on picks , well you seem to be too hung up on 3rd line guys ... we’re just gonna keep repeating the same s*** over and over , we dont agree . Simple as 

But why would you trade a player like AA for a late first when that pick might never play in the nhl? Always take the sure thing over a crapshoot draft pick, your words not mine .He’s ok to deal though cause you dont see him as a future core piece of the team? Well s*** thats how i feel about your fabbri , but im wrong and your right though right? Its called a difference of opinion and thats fine (and for the record im for trading AA since he got his 30 goals cause i like to look ahead and not get carried away in the now ) 

Yes cause right now fabbri and his 29 games are bringing alot to the table ... 31st place , if he goes off for 5 pts in 25 games that 2nd now becomes a case of beer

Ya completely disagree on kapanen , anyways like i said above we’re just gonna keep repeating the same s*** over and over again . We’re not gonna change eachothers opinions and i dont wanna keep at this for hours

 

You know what happens when you trade all of your under 30 year old 2nd tier players for 2nd tier draft picks? Fewer 2nd tier players than what you started with, less roster depth, and if you're lucky, you maybe get a high end player out of it.

[F.Michael 4,590]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

He wasn't standing up for himself. His pride was hurt and he couldn't handle it so he threw a tantrum. In the heat of the moment? I guess you can make the argument that it's entertaining and forgivable. 

But then you have to eat your s***e and shut your mouth. It's all this post-incident talk that makes the Oilers look like babies. 

Rewind to 08. Laperriere smokes Lidstrom. Downey throttles him. Babcock threatens to murder Granato. Lidstrom does his 11 game IR concussion thing. Everyone leaves it on the ice and shuts up. Wings win cup three months later. That's my kind of scenario. 

Whatever your take is of the incident...Was it worthy of a 2 game suspension?

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by F.Michael

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

The thing we disagree on is value. I'm not too hung up on 3rd line players. First of all, they're middle six, more than capable 2nd line wingers. Not just 3rd liners. Secondly, I think anyone would tell you that a middle six winger is more valuable than a 2nd round pick.

I would trade Athanasiou for a 1st round pick because, like I said, he's a liability defensively. When he's not scoring, he's not of much value. Fabbri is more than capable defensively. Maybe you'd move Fabbri, and you don't see him as a viable option in our middle six going forward, because you were so vocally against the trade in the beginning... It's okay to admit you were wrong on that one. Fabbri has been fantastic, and there's no reason to think he won't be going forward. And don't use the injury concern as an excuse. Fabbri is no more likely to get injured than any other smallish, skilled winger.

Capable when injury occurs , what happens next year when zadina starts?god willing we win lafraniere? Veleno and he have great chemistry,he starts ... rasmussen starts up . All of a sudden alot of competition and fabbri suddenly drops to the 3rd 

anyone can tell me what they’d like , doesnt mean i agree . Id trade fabbri cause i dont think hes got a future here , now ill be called nuts (and i dont care) but i wouldnt trade smith for a 2nd , dont think we have anyone that young who brings what he does  to the team and will be physical and drop the gloves when need be (Maybe mantha will finally knock it off with that s***)

You say that now cause hes having an off season but last year anyone suggesting AA to get dealt was called a moron .... kinda reminds me of the current fabbri situation 

I did admit fabbri has done better than I expected but i wont get carried away and start thinking hes legit after 29 games and think hes gonna be here longterm. Fabbri has has multiple serious injuries to the knee and is susceptible to getting hurt again more than others , if you cant see that i cant help you 

50 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

You know what happens when you trade all of your under 30 year old 2nd tier players for 2nd tier draft picks? Fewer 2nd tier players than what you started with, less roster depth, and if you're lucky, you maybe get a high end player out of it.

Its ok if it doesnt work out we can use those 2nd tier draft picks to trade for the fabbri’s of the league and hit gold again

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

13 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Whatever your take is of the incident...Was it worthy of a 2 game suspension?

 

No. I don't think so. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

28 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Capable when injury occurs , what happens next year when zadina starts?god willing we win lafraniere? Veleno and he have great chemistry,he starts ... rasmussen starts up . All of a sudden alot of competition and fabbri suddenly drops to the 3rd 

If Fabbri is a capable 2nd line winger (he is), and he gets pushed down to the 3rd line, because we have 6-7 players better than him, that's a really, really good thing...

30 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

 anyone can tell me what they’d like , doesnt mean i agree . Id trade fabbri cause i dont think hes got a future here , now ill be called nuts (and i dont care) but i wouldnt trade smith for a 2nd , dont think we have anyone that young who brings what he does  to the team and will be physical and drop the gloves when need be (Maybe mantha will finally knock it off with that s***)

I've explained why I don't think Athanasiou has a future here (which we agree on). Explain why you don't think Fabbri has a future here... 

32 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

You say that now cause hes having an off season but last year anyone suggesting AA to get dealt was called a moron .... kinda reminds me of the current fabbri situation 

I must have been called a moron then... I've been saying we should shop Athanasiou for well over a year now. How is the Athanasiou situation at all like the Fabbri situation?

34 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

I did admit fabbri has done better than I expected but i wont get carried away and start thinking hes legit after 29 games and think hes gonna be here longterm. Fabbri has has multiple serious injuries to the knee and is susceptible to getting hurt again more than others , if you cant see that i cant help you 

Fabbri's knees are fine. They're completely healed. He's not any more susceptible to injury than any other professional hockey player.

36 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Its ok if it doesnt work out we can use those 2nd tier draft picks to trade for the fabbri’s of the league and hit gold again

No we can't. You've already drafted a bunch of duds with those 2nd round picks... 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

10 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

If Fabbri is a capable 2nd line winger (he is), and he gets pushed down to the 3rd line, because we have 6-7 players better than him, that's a really, really good thing...

I've explained why I don't think Athanasiou has a future here (which we agree on). Explain why you don't think Fabbri has a future here... 

I must have been called a moron then... I've been saying we should shop Athanasiou for well over a year now. How is the Athanasiou situation at all like the Fabbri situation?

Fabbri's knees are fine. They're completely healed. He's not any more susceptible to injury than any other professional hockey player.

No we can't. You've already drafted a bunch of duds with those 2nd round picks... 

And when you can pick up a 2nd rounder for a 3rd line guy thats basically a good thing

Ya NOW , i remember being called a moron for suggesting we trade him last season when he was hot . Dont recall anyone else saying we should trade him after  his 30 goals. Always sell high

I didnt know you were a doctor? I know the internet is full of s*** but took me two seconds to find this 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130711084135.htm

I trust that more than your word sorry . His injury history is one reason i dont see him here longterm . Also see alot better players in our system coming up in 1-3 years that will surpass him , not to mention a trade possibility or ufa if stevie gets lucky . 

Think everyones blinded by his hot start(2 goals last 13 games btw) and everyone will calm back down soon enough

And you can trade one of those duds for fabbri 2.0 ... was being sarcastic btw 

anyways

[krsmith17 7,191]

5 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

And when you can pick up a 2nd rounder for a 3rd line guy thats basically a good thing

*2nd line guy just entering his prime.

No it's not.

10 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya NOW , i remember being called a moron for suggesting we trade him last season when he was hot . Dont recall anyone else saying we should trade him after  his 30 goals. Always sell high

You must have missed where I said "I've been saying we should shop Athanasiou for well over a year now"...

So no, not NOW. For well over a year...

14 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

I didnt know you were a doctor? I know the internet is full of s*** but took me two seconds to find this 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130711084135.htmI trust that more than your word sorry . His injury history is one reason i dont see him here longterm .

Sure, if Fabbri and another player fall awkwardly the exact same way, Fabbri may be more likely to have a reccuring knee injury. I don't think that necessarily makes Fabbri more "injury prone" or "susceptible to injury" though. Fabbri may play the next 5+ seasons without missing a single game. Or he might get injured tonight, something completely unrelated to the knee.

27 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Also see alot better players in our system coming up 1-3 years that will surpass him , not to mention a trade possibility or ufa if stevie gets lucky .

Think everyones blinded by his hot start(2 goals last 13 games btw) and everyone will calm back down soon enough

And you can trade one of those duds for fabbri 2.0 ... was being sarcastic btw

anyways

If you think we have a lot of players in our system better than Fabbri coming up in 1-3 years, we'll be in great shape, and we won't need all those 2nd round picks...

Why are you only counting goals? He's still producing points in those 13 games... He's been incredibly consistent since joining the Wings, and there's no reasonable reason to believe that will change...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

*2nd line guy just entering his prime.

No it's not.

You must have missed where I said "I've been saying we should shop Athanasiou for well over a year now"...

So no, not NOW. For well over a year...

Sure, if Fabbri and another player fall awkwardly the exact same way, Fabbri may be more likely to have a reccuring knee injury. I don't think that necessarily makes Fabbri more "injury prone" or "susceptible to injury" though. Fabbri may play the next 5+ seasons without missing a single game. Or he might get injured tonight, something completely unrelated to the knee.

If you think we have a lot of players in our system better than Fabbri coming up in 1-3 years, we'll be in great shape, and we won't need all those 2nd round picks...

Why are you only counting goals? He's still producing points in those 13 games... He's been incredibly consistent since joining the Wings, and there's no reasonable reason to believe that will change...

Sure whatever you say, cause what you say is gospel right ? Im still waiting for all this upside from brandon perlini you talked nonstop about (save the excuses ,he cant even crack the worst team in the nhl) 

 

Anyways we been repeating the same s*** for hours as predicted and  im done here . we won’t change eachothers opinions on this which is a.o.k

 we’ll see what happens down the road

[krsmith17 7,191]

15 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Sure whatever you say, cause what you say is gospel right ? Im still waiting for all this upside from brandon perlini you talked nonstop about (save the excuses ,he cant even crack the worst team in the nhl) 

Anyways we been repeating the same s*** for hours as predicted and  im done here . we won’t change eachothers opinions on this which is a.o.k

 we’ll see what happens down the road

LOL Relax...

Perlini hasn't been given a fair shake, and likely won't at this point, but I'd do that (similar trade) every single time.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

LOL Relax...

Perlini hasn't been given a fair shake, and likely won't at this point, but I'd do that (similar trade) every single time.

Sure . You’d lose that trade everytime then 

Laterz 

[marcaractac 3,963]

12 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Capable when injury occurs , what happens next year when zadina starts?god willing we win lafraniere? Veleno and he have great chemistry,he starts ... rasmussen starts up . All of a sudden alot of competition and fabbri suddenly drops to the 3rd 

anyone can tell me what they’d like , doesnt mean i agree . Id trade fabbri cause i dont think hes got a future here , now ill be called nuts (and i dont care) but i wouldnt trade smith for a 2nd , dont think we have anyone that young who brings what he does  to the team and will be physical and drop the gloves when need be (Maybe mantha will finally knock it off with that s***)

You say that now cause hes having an off season but last year anyone suggesting AA to get dealt was called a moron .... kinda reminds me of the current fabbri situation 

I did admit fabbri has done better than I expected but i wont get carried away and start thinking hes legit after 29 games and think hes gonna be here longterm. Fabbri has has multiple serious injuries to the knee and is susceptible to getting hurt again more than others , if you cant see that i cant help you 

Its ok if it doesnt work out we can use those 2nd tier draft picks to trade for the fabbri’s of the league and hit gold again

Are you a doctor? Have you seen his medical records? How do you even know this? Oh right, you don't. The guy is as healthy as anyone. Malkin f***ed his knee once too. Trade him for a 2nd round pick, I suppose. Damaged goods. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

Gallant fired...

The Time Is NOW Yzerman!!!

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

4 hours ago, marcaractac said:

Are you a doctor? Have you seen his medical records? How do you even know this? Oh right, you don't. The guy is as healthy as anyone. Malkin f***ed his knee once too. Trade him for a 2nd round pick, I suppose. Damaged goods. 

Are you? We know for a fact he’s had back to back serious knee injuries which resulted in him being out basically 2 years so hes clearly not as healthy as anyone . Malkin f***ed his knee Once like you said , not consecutively and at an older age 

His odds of having another torn acl are bigger now that hes had it twice already .  if you cant see it , it’s not my problem

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Gallant fired...

The Time Is NOW Yzerman!!!

Im all for gallant  to be the next coach , if he gets hired by another team before so be it but if i were stevie id call him and say how important this next draft is and how we’d like things to stay status quo for now and if he’d like , take some time to unwind with his family and if he wants to be the next coach of the redwings the job will be his come april 

if it doesnt work we move on , im sure stevie will be patient anyways and wait it out and see if cooper gets fired by tampa if they fail again

[marcaractac 3,963]

11 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Are you? We know for a fact he’s had back to back serious knee injuries which resulted in him being out basically 2 years so hes clearly not as healthy as anyone . Malkin f***ed his knee Once like you said , not consecutively and at an older age 

His odds of having another torn acl are bigger now that hes had it twice already .  if you cant see it , it’s not my problem

Once again, you're not a doctor. You don't know s*** and are making assumptions. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

21 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Im all for gallant  to be the next coach , if he gets hired by another team before so be it but if i were stevie id call him and say how important this next draft is and how we’d like things to stay status quo for now and if he’d like , take some time to unwind with his family and if he wants to be the next coach of the redwings the job will be his come april 

if it doesnt work we move on , im sure stevie will be patient anyways and wait it out and see if cooper gets fired by tampa if they fail again

Why keep things status quo though? I'm far from a Blashill hater. I think he's a lot better coach than he gets credit for. This team isn't winning s***, regardless who's behind the bench, but losing this often, this badly, something's gotta give. Consistently getting blown out in games is not good for morale. If Gallant wants a job tomorrow, it should be his. In saying that, I wouldn't be completely against letting Blashill finish off the season, but after an 8-2 thumping last night, now is as good a time as any to let him go. I'm sure Gallant has a soft spot for Detroit and the Red Wing, and is great friends with Yzerman, so I'm sure he'd take the job, if Yzerman wants him...

[marcaractac 3,963]

3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Why keep things status quo though? I'm far from a Blashill hater. I think he's a lot better coach than he gets credit for. This team isn't winning s***, regardless who's behind the bench, but losing this often, this badly, something's gotta give. Consistently getting blown out in games is not good for morale. If Gallant wants a job tomorrow, it should be his. In saying that, I wouldn't be completely against letting Blashill finish off the season, but after an 8-2 thumping last night, now is as good a time as any to let him go. I'm sure Gallant has a soft spot for Detroit and the Red Wing, and is great friends with Yzerman, so I'm sure he'd take the job, if Yzerman wants him...

The team has no confidence in front of Howard. When Bernier plays, the games are kept close for the most part. The team can count on him to make a save every now and again when they f*** up. If something has to give, it's the tandem of Howard and Pickard. 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

31 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Once again, you're not a doctor. You don't know s*** and are making assumptions. 

Ditto

[krsmith17 7,191]

5 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

The team has no confidence in front of Howard. When Bernier plays, the games are kept close for the most part. The team can count on him to make a save every now and again when they f*** up. If something has to give, it's the tandem of Howard and Pickard. 

I don't disagree. We badly need an upgrade between the pipes. But are you saying we should keep Blashill around?

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't disagree. We badly need an upgrade between the pipes. But are you saying we should keep Blashill around?

Firing him for the sake of making a change would be stupid, yes. If Yzerman feels there is a better option available, then he should pursue that. Firing Blash because of the last couple blowouts solves nothing.