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We had McCarty, Drake and Maltby on the '08 team. We need guys like those.

Its hilarious when people say that the wings won in 2008 with a soft, pretty boy team. That team was by far the wings toughest since the lockout and for over 70 games in the regular season had a guy dressed strictly as a fighter. They also had a good middle weight with Dallas Drake and Lilja who until his injury was pretty damn tough. Those are just scrappers though.

That teams third line was Cleary Draper Drake. Not even an ounce of skill on that third line, just guys who would bust their bags with hard work and werent scared of s***. Theyw ould crash the net constantly, throw big hits and wear down the other team. Drake was the only really "tough" one but they all played a gritty game.

The fourth line center was Helm before he had any responsibilities. All he would do was run around, throw hits and crash the net. No defensive responsibility hardly, and was just sent off his leash for 8 minutes a game. Mccarty flanked him and he was scared of no one. He didnt pretend to be some skill guy hanging around the perimeter, he was in everyones face, crashing the net etc. If Mac wasnt on that line then Maltby was, who was still stirring s*** up and playing physical hockey. When we won in 2008, Hudler was relegated to the fourth line because he couldnt play playoff hockey, now hes on the teams top line. Homer was also still more capable to be a crash and bang type in the top 6.

So yes people continue to try to tell yourselves that this team can win with a soft line up and a bunch of pretty boys if it will help you sleep at night, be that blind fan boy that thinks the team is always built perfectly but looking at history, the wings have never won with a team like this. The 2009 team couldnt close it out even and they were much more skilled. The 2006 team that killed it was out first round.

But yeah you guys are right, the wings have won before with a soft line up :rolleyes:

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Its hilarious when people say that the wings won in 2008 with a soft, pretty boy team. That team was by far the wings toughest since the lockout and for over 70 games in the regular season had a guy dressed strictly as a fighter. They also had a good middle weight with Dallas Drake and Lilja who until his injury was pretty damn tough. Those are just scrappers though.

That teams third line was Cleary Draper Drake. Not even an ounce of skill on that third line, just guys who would bust their bags with hard work and werent scared of s***. Theyw ould crash the net constantly, throw big hits and wear down the other team. Drake was the only really "tough" one but they all played a gritty game.

The fourth line center was Helm before he had any responsibilities. All he would do was run around, throw hits and crash the net. No defensive responsibility hardly, and was just sent off his leash for 8 minutes a game. Mccarty flanked him and he was scared of no one. He didnt pretend to be some skill guy hanging around the perimeter, he was in everyones face, crashing the net etc. If Mac wasnt on that line then Maltby was, who was still stirring s*** up and playing physical hockey. When we won in 2008, Hudler was relegated to the fourth line because he couldnt play playoff hockey, now hes on the teams top line. Homer was also still more capable to be a crash and bang type in the top 6.

So yes people continue to try to tell yourselves that this team can win with a soft line up and a bunch of pretty boys if it will help you sleep at night, be that blind fan boy that thinks the team is always built perfectly but looking at history, the wings have never won with a team like this. The 2009 team couldnt close it out even and they were much more skilled. The 2006 team that killed it was out first round.

But yeah you guys are right, the wings have won before with a soft line up :rolleyes:

I agree with what you're saying in the majority of this post, but there was some puck skill on that third line. Cleary was capable of putting the puck in the net, and Draper was a faceoff specialist. But I know what you're saying :P

Cleary has played a fairly physical style of game since the playoffs began, but he has continued to make bad decisions with the puck. I'm kind of on the fence about him right now.

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I agree with what you're saying in the majority of this post, but there was some puck skill on that third line. Cleary was capable of putting the puck in the net, and Draper was a faceoff specialist. But I know what you're saying :P

Cleary has played a fairly physical style of game since the playoffs began, but he has continued to make bad decisions with the puck. I'm kind of on the fence about him right now.

I meant skill as in guys carrying the puck, making the prett ylittle passes etc. Cleary could put the puck in the net cause he put his head down and crashed it. That line crashed the net hard, hell drapes even put one in off his face remember lol?

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I meant skill as in guys carrying the puck, making the prett ylittle passes etc. Cleary could put the puck in the net cause he put his head down and crashed it. That line crashed the net hard, hell drapes even put one in off his face remember lol?

Yeah against Dallas lol.

There will be plenty of cheap players available in the summer. No excuses for Ken.

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If Holland doesn't do justice and pick up some POWER FORWARDS, WRECKERS, OR PHYSICALITY, we've got a big problem...and Illitch needs not waste his time in Firing Holland. The same man who told us all "I'll retire when Lidstrom retires" had better have his money where his mouth is. WE AS A FANBASE SHOULD NOT PUT UP WITH SUB-PAR MANAGEMENT, AND I EXPECT MR AND MRS ILLITCH TO DO THE SAME.

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If Holland doesn't do justice and pick up some POWER FORWARDS, WRECKERS, OR PHYSICALITY, we've got a big problem...and Illitch needs not waste his time in Firing Holland. The same man who told us all "I'll retire when Lidstrom retires" had better have his money where his mouth is. WE AS A FANBASE SHOULD NOT PUT UP WITH SUB-PAR MANAGEMENT, AND I EXPECT MR AND MRS ILLITCH TO DO THE SAME.

Please. I agree as much as the next guy that there needs to be some changes, but this kind of post is the exact reason why fans of other teams have a strong dislike towards our fans. It's this sense of entitlement that we seem to have that allows us to puff our chests out and walk around like we're expected to win it every year.

I for one am grateful I've been able to see 4 Stanley Cups raised by this team in my lifetime, which is more than most fans of most teams will be able to say in their lifetimes, and I was 20 years old when they lifted it last. That's 4 Cups in a QUARTER of my life.

I don't want to see this team slip into the dark ages again, and there's a damn good chance that won't happen again for a very long time, if ever, but we need to stop acting like we are the only team in the world that gets to makes decisions to get players. We must remember that realistically, there will be 29 other teams looking for at least one of the players we're looking for as well, and we can't sign them all.

All that said, I would really like to see Holland make a big push to get Parise and Suter because I think they are necessary to make a serious effort at extending our playoff streak and to possibly push for another Cup. But I am a realist when it comes down to it and I know that there's probably a high probability that we're going to be SOL.

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All I can say for sure is that we are too busy s***tin the bed to take advantage of Chicago, Vancouver, and San Jose all getting knocked out. And probably Pittsburgh.

If the other three series all hold the course, it could be St Louis/L.A., and Detroit/Pheonix...but I'm not holding my breath.

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So, you guys want a team of grinders? Why not join fans of Boston or Nashville then - I personally enjoy watching pretty goals scored once in a while and SKILL has been the signature of the Wings since early 90s. BTW that weakling Semin scored NICE winner today, and when great tough Abdelcader scored last time? If we get Semin, at least Datsyuk won't be bored dead playing with you know whom (Parize does sound better choice to me then Semin, but a lot of teams want him). Finally, Bert, Mule, and Holmstrom can all be considered grinders - unite them in a Red Bombers line and give the assignement to hit rather then score.

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So, you guys want a team of grinders? Why not join fans of Boston or Nashville then - I personally enjoy watching pretty goals scored once in a while and SKILL has been the signature of the Wings since early 90s. BTW that weakling Semin scored NICE winner today, and when great tough Abdelcader scored last time? If we get Semin, at least Datsyuk won't be bored dead playing with you know whom (Parize does sound better choice to me then Semin, but a lot of teams want him). Finally, Bert, Mule, and Holmstrom can all be considered grinders - unite them in a Red Bombers line and give the assignement to hit rather then score.

You use the defending cup champs and the team that currently looks like theyre going to knock detroit out as your examples of teams that you dont want Detroit to look like?

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You use the defending cup champs and the team that currently looks like theyre going to knock detroit out as your examples of teams that you dont want Detroit to look like?

I'm not sure where there logic is coming from

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So, you guys want a team of grinders? Why not join fans of Boston or Nashville then - I personally enjoy watching pretty goals scored once in a while and SKILL has been the signature of the Wings since early 90s. BTW that weakling Semin scored NICE winner today, and when great tough Abdelcader scored last time? If we get Semin, at least Datsyuk won't be bored dead playing with you know whom (Parize does sound better choice to me then Semin, but a lot of teams want him). Finally, Bert, Mule, and Holmstrom can all be considered grinders - unite them in a Red Bombers line and give the assignement to hit rather then score.

I pretty much agree. Like how at the deadline Gillis traded away Vancouver's 3rd line scoring potential for grinders and the team has been misfiring ever since.

It's always been a league of copy cats. WHen Detroit wins the Cup, all of the sudden everyone wants a puck moving Dman and skilled players. Then Boston rag dolls Vancouver on the way to winning the Cup and everyone wants hard hitting hockey players.

Seriously, we are only a few bad bounces away from being up 3-1 instead of down 3-1, but unfortunately, that's hockey.

We all know that if this team goes balls out for 60 minutes, they can beat anybody in the NHL. That's what's bumbed me out.

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I pretty much agree. Like how at the deadline Gillis traded away Vancouver's 3rd line scoring potential for grinders and the team has been misfiring ever since.

It's always been a league of copy cats. WHen Detroit wins the Cup, all of the sudden everyone wants a puck moving Dman and skilled players. Then Boston rag dolls Vancouver on the way to winning the Cup and everyone wants hard hitting hockey players.

Seriously, we are only a few bad bounces away from being up 3-1 instead of down 3-1, but unfortunately, that's hockey.

We all know that if this team goes balls out for 60 minutes, they can beat anybody in the NHL. That's what's bumbed me out.

Yep and they were only a couple bounces away last year, and the year before that too. Some guys go out and make their own luck by working hard, forechecking and not floating around. Detroit has too many players of this ilk it seems.

Its not a league of copy cats, its called getting balance on the team. When Detroit won the cup they had it, this team doesnt want to work for it

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I pretty much agree. Like how at the deadline Gillis traded away Vancouver's 3rd line scoring potential for grinders and the team has been misfiring ever since.

It's always been a league of copy cats. WHen Detroit wins the Cup, all of the sudden everyone wants a puck moving Dman and skilled players. Then Boston rag dolls Vancouver on the way to winning the Cup and everyone wants hard hitting hockey players.

Seriously, we are only a few bad bounces away from being up 3-1 instead of down 3-1, but unfortunately, that's hockey.

We all know that if this team goes balls out for 60 minutes, they can beat anybody in the NHL. That's what's bumbed me out.

Cant plus this enough!!!!!

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Is it just coincidental that the only game the wings won, and really the only game where they played like they wanted to win, was the game where Bertuzzi fought Weber? Or how about this, Since 2007, we lost to a bigger Ducks team, two bigger Sharks teams, and a bigger Predators team. In 2008 and 2009 we had grinders and hell raisers and those were the cup run years.

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Defensive breakdown's and bone-head plays lost this series.

The lack of a pure goal scorer, a crease-clearing defenseman, and size/youth/hunger in the bottom six was definitely an issue and would have insured an unsuccessful cup run in the end.

But if this team had played with more mental discipline, this would have been different.

It's hard to argue which team played a more successful style of hockey right now when only one team was able to execute their gameplan. Nashville played the best version of their game and Detroit was sub-standard at doing what they normally do well: smart, disciplined, puck-possession hockey. If both team's were playing their A game, then you could compare playing styles .

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Nyquist seemed to have more jump than anyone else on the team. Not that he was ultimately the most effective, but he seemed to be a threat, getting lose, showing up at the right time at the right place.

Cleary had a ton jump...for that one game. Last game it looked like his meds were off, and he looked almost groggy.

Datsyuk looked...coverred. Good on Suter, but you could tell Dats was not 100% recoverred. Knees suck.

From what I saw during the season, Conner and Smith would have had more jump in this series than any other Wings.

Lidstrom's injury was apparent on the ice; hamperred his mobility.

Same with Bertuzzi.

Filp and Franzen were ineffective.

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