Richdg 267 Report post Posted May 9, 2012 This is a math question, not a Lidstrom question. The current rumors are a cap around 70 million. We will have-again according to rumors about 20 million to spend. 2 top UFA's are going to cost somewhere between 12 and 15 million. helm and Abdelkater will add another 3-4 million to the total. That means 15-19 million spent before we talk about Lidstrom. At somepoint we also need to extend Howard, who is a UFA after next season. Now add in Quincy-who should be resigned, he will cost 1.5 to 2 million. Yes I understand the emotion and love for Nicky. But in many ways the best thing for the organization he can do, it to retire, and then funnel all the top swedish prospects to us through his team. If Nicky returns and is earning more than 4 million, you can kiss the dreams of parise and Suter goodbye. There isn't enough money to get them all resigned/signed. Most of the rumors out there have Parise and Suter each getting 7.5+ million per season. Good thing there are other options, that will cost less to go after. Which in the end what I expect to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted May 9, 2012 First, unless Lidstrom signs a 12 million dollar contract, he won't affect who we end up signing. Second, if Lidstrom retires and Holland sends offers to both Suter and Parise, what happens if we don't get either? If that happens, it's going to be ugly around LGW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted May 9, 2012 Age, and some injuries are starting to catch up with Lids...That said he's still a top 2 guy on each, and every team in the NHL. I don't see how taking a shot off the foot is symptomatic of an age induced slowdown. The guy was a total stud until the injury. Here's some telling stats, Lidstrom was injured at the end of February and started missing games in March. Through the end of February Lidstrom had played 62 games and scored 31 points. Through the end of February Ryan Suter played 61 games and scored 37 points. After February Suter played 18 games and scored 9 points, while Lidstrom played 8 games and scored 3 points. Lidstrom finished the season +19 to Suter's +15. Finally, in the playoffs Lidstrom had 0 points in five games to Suter's 4 points in 10. For me, several conclusions can be drawn from this: 1. Nic Lidstrom is still an all world defenseman 2. Ryan Suter is too 3. Neither of them (at this point) is worth the kind of money Suter will get this offseason because he's the best of a weak free agent class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted May 9, 2012 Last time I checked - the June draft takes place before the July 1st UFA frenzy lol well played. In that case assume I said he'd be active on the trade market after July 1st. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted May 9, 2012 Second, if Lidstrom retires and Holland sends offers to both Suter and Parise, what happens if we don't get either? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,133 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 This is a math question, not a Lidstrom question. The current rumors are a cap around 70 million. We will have-again according to rumors about 20 million to spend. 2 top UFA's are going to cost somewhere between 12 and 15 million. helm and Abdelkater will add another 3-4 million to the total. That means 15-19 million spent before we talk about Lidstrom. At somepoint we also need to extend Howard, who is a UFA after next season. Now add in Quincy-who should be resigned, he will cost 1.5 to 2 million. Yes I understand the emotion and love for Nicky. But in many ways the best thing for the organization he can do, it to retire, and then funnel all the top swedish prospects to us through his team. If Nicky returns and is earning more than 4 million, you can kiss the dreams of parise and Suter goodbye. There isn't enough money to get them all resigned/signed. Most of the rumors out there have Parise and Suter each getting 7.5+ million per season. Good thing there are other options, that will cost less to go after. Which in the end what I expect to happen. ACtually, if the Cap goes up to $70M, Holland will have exactly $26,482,955 to spend. Suter and Parise should cost at least $15M together, Lids gets $6.2M and Abby/Helm get $2.75M combined. That leaves $2,532,955 under the Cap for a REAL backup goalie and then some left over... That is with Emmerton, Mursak & Mac on the roster, in which I think all three should be traded or demoted...Adding to that Sheahan is still showing on the roster, demote him and you are getting another $2,533,333. So after Lids, Helm, Abby, Suter, Parise Hollland should still have around $5M under the Cap after trading Emmerton/Mursak and demoting Mac and Sheahan. Life would be good if the cap increases! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 Lidstrom doesn't need to do anything. If he still cares about the team he will make his intentions clear well before July 1, but he owes the Wings and us fans nothing more than what he has already given us. 2 ogreslayer and haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 Lindstrom and Federov. Kenny should've drafted Yagger. Federov and Yagger are forwards. We're talking defensemen. We need Lindstrom AND Sutter. Lids is not the d-man he once was. He is no longer worth 6.2 million. Due to age and injury, he is now worth 6.19 million. If he agrees to less before July 1, it will be a tip-off to anyone watching that we are after the big names and what we are willing to spend to get them. My bet is that we don't hear anything from Nick until mid-July. I do think there will be talks and a decision before that. Only the details will be left to finalize after FA day. Then again, I have been wrong before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 Nick will make what he wants to make. And that won't be 3 million - unless Holland has some crazy Dream Team s*** up his sleeve. Parise and Suter are essential - but, realistically, we're not getting both. Indeed, we'll be lucky to get just one. Which is ok. There are other options. Besides, the Wings need depth. Even if Holland did somehow manage to ink them both, we'd still need to make at least one significant, substantial signing. And we do need a backup goalie. At this point, with Lidstrom almost out the door, I would say Suter would be the more important of the two, he's a top 2 pairing level player, and he's very good defensively. Nashville has 15 free agents to resign (combined UFA and RFA) plus the lack of a deep run will influence both Weber and Suter. NJ has money trouble as someone said earlier, possibly 20 mill in losses this season alone. Speculation of borrowing against next seasons TV money to make payroll this season also was flying around, so it's safe to say Parise probably doesn't return. Just food for thought... Illitch is in his 80's and want's another World Series and Stanley Cup.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 ACtually, if the Cap goes up to $70M, Holland will have exactly $26,482,955 to spend. Suter and Parise should cost at least $15M together, Lids gets $6.2M and Abby/Helm get $2.75M combined. That leaves $2,532,955 under the Cap for a REAL backup goalie and then some left over... That is with Emmerton, Mursak & Mac on the roster, in which I think all three should be traded or demoted...Adding to that Sheahan is still showing on the roster, demote him and you are getting another $2,533,333. So after Lids, Helm, Abby, Suter, Parise Hollland should still have around $5M under the Cap after trading Emmerton/Mursak and demoting Mac and Sheahan. Life would be good if the cap increases! Emmerton and Mursak can't be demoted without being exposed to waivers... Someone correct me if im wrong, but I think Tomas Tatar is in the same boat as those 2. Even if the cap does increase to 70M, you can bet that it doesn't stay there after one season. Bettman will want a cap decrease once again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 ACtually, if the Cap goes up to $70M, Holland will have exactly $26,482,955 to spend. Suter and Parise should cost at least $15M together, Lids gets $6.2M and Abby/Helm get $2.75M combined. That leaves $2,532,955 under the Cap for a REAL backup goalie and then some left over... That is with Emmerton, Mursak & Mac on the roster, in which I think all three should be traded or demoted...Adding to that Sheahan is still showing on the roster, demote him and you are getting another $2,533,333. So after Lids, Helm, Abby, Suter, Parise Hollland should still have around $5M under the Cap after trading Emmerton/Mursak and demoting Mac and Sheahan. Life would be good if the cap increases! I just have to wonder what the Cap will actually be because of the CBA expiring. It'd be great if it went up to where Devellano thought it would. Illitch has pretty deep pockets. But there's also some GM's who seem like they don't even want to spend to the cap floor, so there could be a push to screw the cap down even tighter and route more money to management instead of players. With Lidstrom potentially retiring, the Wings needing to make some significant moves, and the CBA expiring, it should be an interesting off season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 ACtually, if the Cap goes up to $70M, Holland will have exactly $26,482,955 to spend. Suter and Parise should cost at least $15M together, Lids gets $6.2M and Abby/Helm get $2.75M combined. That leaves $2,532,955 under the Cap for a REAL backup goalie and then some left over... That is with Emmerton, Mursak & Mac on the roster, in which I think all three should be traded or demoted...Adding to that Sheahan is still showing on the roster, demote him and you are getting another $2,533,333. So after Lids, Helm, Abby, Suter, Parise Hollland should still have around $5M under the Cap after trading Emmerton/Mursak and demoting Mac and Sheahan. Life would be good if the cap increases! That is the problem we are all in right now. we don't know the actual numbers yet. cap geek says 64.3 million for a cap number and 20 million to spend. Jimmy D says 70, which would give us more. Untill we know actual numbers it is all therory. So let's juts leave it as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) One does not simply tell Lidstrom what he must do. Edited May 10, 2012 by Crymson 1 Smite reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilzyme 769 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 Once does not simply tell Lidstrom what he must do. So, so close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 Once does not simply tell Lidstrom what he must do. That's where Mrs. Lidstrom comes in. 2 Hockeymom1960 and 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 10, 2012 So, so close. Ah, crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,133 Report post Posted May 10, 2012 Emmerton and Mursak can't be demoted without being exposed to waivers... Someone correct me if im wrong, but I think Tomas Tatar is in the same boat as those 2. Even if the cap does increase to 70M, you can bet that it doesn't stay there after one season. Bettman will want a cap decrease once again. COrrect, that is why I said trade them. May not get much, but at least it's not losing them to waivers....Tater's situation I am not so sure about... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jroc86 90 Report post Posted May 11, 2012 With the CBA expiring on the 15th who cares what the cap "might" get lowered too. In 05/06 the Wings have to slice and dice from 75 mill to 39 mill after the fact. I say sign whoever we need by whatever means necessary and deal with the consequences after. In the offseason does it matter how fat your projected payroll is? If we are a few skaters and a few mill over the limit heading into the season with a stocked roster and a few guys need to be exposed to waivers or traded for picks so be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,133 Report post Posted May 12, 2012 correct me if I am wrong, but does't this CBA become "amendable" and not expire? I seem to remember reading somewhere that if an agreement isn't made that the current CBA just keeps extending until an agreement is come to...maybe I was dreaming it or something...dunno... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) correct me if I am wrong, but does't this CBA become "amendable" and not expire? I seem to remember reading somewhere that if an agreement isn't made that the current CBA just keeps extending until an agreement is come to...maybe I was dreaming it or something...dunno... The players had the option to extend the current CBA that ran through the 2010-2011 season by one year only. Obviously they already did that. From NHL.com... What is the length of the new CBA?The CBA is six years in duration (through the 2010-11 season) with the NHLPA having the option to re-open the agreement after Year Four (after the 2008-09 season). The NHLPA also has the option of extending the CBA for an additional year at the end of the term. So yes, the CBA does expire on 9/15/12. http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366 EDIT: I stand corrected actually. Unless either party sends notice of termination at least 120 days prior to the CBA expiring, it does remain in effect for the next year. I guess we'll know in a few days if they're going to terminate it. Here's the full CBA: http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf Edited May 12, 2012 by ogreslayer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
