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Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

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I just do not understand why Holland would not even try to acquire Weber. With Lidstrom and Stuart gone and all of the cap space we have it just doesn't make any sense. Now we have absolutely no chance of ever seeing Weber wear the winged wheel. I really hope Smith is going to be able to be the man because nobody is trading us a top d-man without getting a king's ransom in return. Still have faith in Holland but this sh*t is starting to get old.

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Darren Dreger@DarrenDreger

I'm trying to go back to bed. More info coming in. Philly, NYR, Detroit and San Jose were big players in Weber trade scenarios.

Clearly this offer sheet was a surprise to several teams. And if Holland had a chance at landing Weber by trade, he can hardly be blamed for not risking throwing a big offer sheet at Weber and having Weber possibly be a Predator for life as a result. Philly will not be affected overmuch if Weber ends up a Predator forever, but it's a different story for western conference teams... especially those in the same division as the Predators.

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I just do not understand why Holland would not even try to acquire Weber. With Lidstrom and Stuart gone and all of the cap space we have it just doesn't make any sense. Now we have absolutely no chance of ever seeing Weber wear the winged wheel. I really hope Smith is going to be able to be the man because nobody is trading us a top d-man without getting a king's ransom in return. Still have faith in Holland but this sh*t is starting to get old.

And we don't really know whether Holland talked to Poile are not, do we? Dreger mentioned that there were "a number of teams" who had talked to Nashville about a trade. Who's to say Kenny didn't inquire?

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I'm trying to go back to bed. More info coming in. Philly, NYR, Detroit and San Jose were big players in Weber trade scenarios.

And there we are...

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What people also need to get is this will definitely create a domino affect, driving up the value for elite defensemen exponentially. Any hopes we had of trading for Yandle, Enstrom, etc. is all but gone.

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One thing though.....

If Weber has made it clear to Nashville that he wants OUT, I wonder if a sign-and-trade scenario is still possible......

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What people also need to get is this will definitely create a domino affect, driving up the value for elite defensemen exponentially. Any hopes we had of trading for Yandle, Enstrom, etc. is all but gone.

No need to panic. Just wait a couple years when Phily still hasn't won a Cup, Holmgren starts to get an itchy trigger finger, & looks to trade Weber off.

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I just do not understand why Holland would not even try to acquire Weber. With Lidstrom and Stuart gone and all of the cap space we have it just doesn't make any sense. Now we have absolutely no chance of ever seeing Weber wear the winged wheel. I really hope Smith is going to be able to be the man because nobody is trading us a top d-man without getting a king's ransom in return. Still have faith in Holland but this sh*t is starting to get old.

Dreger just tweeted Detroit was involved in trade discussions for Weber. Another case of bad luck for the Red Wings with Weber playing for a team inside the division. I'm sure the asking price was another Nash scenario and Holland never goes to offer sheets.

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One thing though.....

If Weber has made it clear to Nashville that he wants OUT, I wonder if a sign-and-trade scenario is still possible......

It is not. If the Predators match the offer sheet, then they cannot trade Weber for one calendar year afterward.

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The problem is Holland is getting burned by being too conservative with his moves, and in doing so he's letting the team decline instead of taking a risk and possibly making a wrong move. There's an old saying 'Action is always better than inaction'.

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Rumor has it according to Darren Dreger on Twitter (Yes I know NOT a reliable source though better then Eklund) the Flyers, NYR, San Jose and DETROIT were big players in the trade scenarios.

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I see the Dreger tweet but why would Nashville want to trade with a rival such as Detroit?

One never knows what can be done for the right price.

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Dreger just tweeted Detroit was involved in trade discussions for Weber. Another case of bad luck for the Red Wings with Weber playing for a team inside the division. I'm sure the asking price was another Nash scenario and Holland never goes to offer sheets.

An offer sheet was the only chance we had of getting Weber. I'm sure I don't know a whole lot about how the whole front office thing works but I'd be willing to bet there was no chance in hell that Poile was trading Weber to us. I'm hoping Kenny would be smart enough to realize that as well. I understand he doesn't like the whole idea of signing other team's RFA's but I feel like if there was ever a time to go for broke and do it, this was it.

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Can he still be traded during the 7 day grace period?

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Rumor has it according to Darren Dreger on Twitter (Yes I know NOT a reliable source though better then Eklund) the Flyers, NYR, San Jose and DETROIT were big players in the trade scenarios.

Dreger is a reliable source, even if he scrawled it on a men's room wall you can believe it. Edited by Ozzie30

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An offer sheet was the only chance we had of getting Weber. I'm sure I don't know a whole lot about how the whole front office thing works but I'd be willing to bet there was no chance in hell that Poile was trading Weber to us. I'm hoping Kenny would be smart enough to realize that as well. I understand he doesn't like the whole idea of signing other team's RFA's but I feel like if there was ever a time to go for broke and do it, this was it.

Most of them when you get a guy like Weber as a RFA most teams would "Go For Broke" to try and get them. I would have like to have seen Kenny send an offer sheet.

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An offer sheet was the only chance we had of getting Weber. I'm sure I don't know a whole lot about how the whole front office thing works but I'd be willing to bet there was no chance in hell that Poile was trading Weber to us. I'm hoping Kenny would be smart enough to realize that as well. I understand he doesn't like the whole idea of signing other team's RFA's but I feel like if there was ever a time to go for broke and do it, this was it.

Clearly the Wings WERE in possible trade scenarios for Weber. But if you'd like to go with your logic, then rest assured that they would be certain to match an offer sheet that would send Weber to a central division rival.

Can he still be traded during the 7 day grace period?

No.

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An offer sheet was the only chance we had of getting Weber. I'm sure I don't know a whole lot about how the whole front office thing works but I'd be willing to bet there was no chance in hell that Poile was trading Weber to us. I'm hoping Kenny would be smart enough to realize that as well. I understand he doesn't like the whole idea of signing other team's RFA's but I feel like if there was ever a time to go for broke and do it, this was it.

I totally agree. Really, what's the worst that could happen? We lose some picks we usually don't have and Kenny strains his relationship with Pollie?
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An offer sheet was the only chance we had of getting Weber. I'm sure I don't know a whole lot about how the whole front office thing works but I'd be willing to bet there was no chance in hell that Poile was trading Weber to us. I'm hoping Kenny would be smart enough to realize that as well. I understand he doesn't like the whole idea of signing other team's RFA's but I feel like if there was ever a time to go for broke and do it, this was it.

I'm with ya there. Not a big fan of offer sheets, but if there was ever a player worth the risk, Weber is certainly it. Especially if the cap hit turns out to be less than Suter's somehow.

It genuinely seems like Holland is putting forth a ton of effort into making a huge splash on practically every name available, so I'm not upset there. Just disappointing that the results aren't going in the Red Wings favor at all.

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Once, I saw this, I thougt to myself "Trade negotiations must've went sour and Holmgren pulled a **** move and threw the offer sheet at him". Well, I guess I was right :lol:

Dicck move by Holmgren, but an even bigger dicck move by Weber to sign it. Nashville is trapped, now. Lose their top defensive pairing in one summer, or lose 1 guy and financially trap yourself?

From what I remember, Nashville and Philly have been friendly and frequent trade partners in the past. I can't imagine this relationship will continue.

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Clearly the Wings WERE in possible trade scenarios for Weber. But if you'd like to go with your logic, then rest assured that they would be certain to match an offer sheet that would send Weber to a central division rival.

No.

If they could afford to match it then good for them but at least we would have had a chance at landing him. I guess all I'm trying to say is I believe that we would have had a better chance at signing him to an offer sheet rather than trying to work out a trade. Could be wrong - just my opinion.

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