Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 With the spate of Free Agents seemingly passing us by/the perceived inactivity by Holland RE: preparing for Lidstrom's departure, does anyone see Babcock walking? I doubt he does as he's been a big part of shaping this team and working with them to create pretty much HIS system here. But he's got to be pissed now. As far as I know from mainly rumour surrounding forums such as this one, he doesn't like it much when he says he needs a piece or two and the management say we're all good so can you see this, or another such situation soon, as being the final push towards the door? He is probably the premier head coach in the league and could walk into any other team, so maybe he does soon? Just what I happened to think of when I heard the Weber news, because if I'm pissed that we've once again missed out on a guy that was supposed to be at the top of our list, imagine how he feels having to coach... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 19, 2012 In a word: no. Next question, please. 7 roboturner, Ally, amato and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Toledo 233 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) I think Babcock understands that Holland has tried to acquire Suter/Weber but with the Wings being a division rival, it likely was not going to happen. At least with Weber, anyway. I'm still of the opinion that Holland will wait until after a new CBA is reached to make any more moves. Babcock is a professional and I don't think he'll walk just because of an unfortunate offseason. He's got to like the addition of Tootoo, I would imagine. Edited July 19, 2012 by Wings_Toledo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 He's the highest paid coach in the NHL, and I don't believe there are any vacancies. So no. Not that it would have happened anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) With the spate of Free Agents seemingly passing us by/the perceived inactivity by Holland RE: preparing for Lidstrom's departure, does anyone see Babcock walking? I doubt he does as he's been a big part of shaping this team and working with them to create pretty much HIS system here. But he's got to be pissed now. As far as I know from mainly rumour surrounding forums such as this one, he doesn't like it much when he says he needs a piece or two and the management say we're all good so can you see this, or another such situation soon, as being the final push towards the door? He is probably the premier head coach in the league and could walk into any other team, so maybe he does soon? Just what I happened to think of when I heard the Weber news, because if I'm pissed that we've once again missed out on a guy that was supposed to be at the top of our list, imagine how he feels having to coach... Why would Babcock leave? Holland has given him or attempted to give him every single thing he asked for this offseason. He wanted right handed shots, - he got 3 of them. He wanted depth for the bottom 6 - he has depth in abundance. he wanted to get bigger and faster. He got slightly bigger, but a ton faster The only other thing he said they need was a winger for Pav, and the Wings are still waiting on both Doan and Semin. Holland also attempted trades for Rick Nash (a favorite of Babcock's), and #1 defenceman in Yandle and Weber. Babcock isn't some overreactive fan, he likely recognizes that you can't make everyone come to Detroit, or force teams to trade with you. I bet he's overly pleased with the effort Holland has put in to try and give him what he wants. Edited July 19, 2012 by FlashyG 8 mmamolo, Dirty Dangle, Hey man nice shot! and 5 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xraymind7781 4 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 I'd say no. If Babcock walked away from the Redwings at this point, what would that say about him? It would tarnish his image. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 What would be more frustrating for him is he knew that Holland wasn't putting any effort in..he clearly is and teams don't want to deal with us. It's pretty cut and dry 1 The Greek reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings10 300 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Sorry but this thread sucks, doesn't he have 3 yrs left on his contract anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Agree with everything that's been said. To clarify what I guess I meant by the original question is that I don't think he throws his toys out the pram and leaves, but is it so far off the point to think he starts to assess his future when looking at the future of this team? I'm not sure when his contract is up but say he looks and it's at a point where nothing is happening here, do you think he'd renew it? Because obviously he's not just going to say he's had enough now. Really sorry, don't seem to put much coherent thought into posts these days And to set the record straight, I'm no Holland basher and so not blaming him for any of the way things panned out. Just thinking that, as has been mentioned, if we continue to be a place that not many people want to deal with, is this team as much of a draw for Babs in the future? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Babs isn't going anywhere just yet. Also the offseason isn't over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThePerfectHuman05 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 The Wings always look like they're about to take a downturn but have found a way to develope people i their system (Such as Datsyuk). Holland has always had a way of filling holes through free agency to take those young players over the top. Nyquist and Smith both look like they're going to do well and Helm and Abdelkader are starting to come into their own. If Pav, Z and Franzen can bounce back from an off season and Fippula build on his output last year we will be fine for years to come. Adding some firepower especially from the blue line would be nice but barring rampant injuries the Wings will be fine this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Sorry but this thread sucks, doesn't he have 3 yrs left on his contract anyways. That's fair enough, I thought it was a legitimate question considering some people seem to think we're not a team that most want to deal with/we don't have that much of a draw for players as we used to (this was asked in a topic a few weeks ago so in a way it could well be a knock on of that). As I've said I don't think he walks but then again I guess I'm only using the forum for what it's supposed to be for, posing questions and prompting debate rather than simply giving my point of view. So I'd have to say that I too am sorry, but your comment sucks. If you don't like the thread, don't comment. And as for his contract, look at my post before this one and see what I really meant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Why would Babcock leave? Holland has given him or attempted to give him every single thing he asked for this offseason. He wanted right handed shots, - he got 3 of them. He wanted depth for the bottom 6 - he has depth in abundance. he wanted to get bigger and faster. He got slightly bigger, but a ton faster The only other thing he said they need was a winger for Pav, and the Wings are still waiting on both Doan and Semin. Holland also attempted trades for Rick Nash (a favorite of Babcock's), and #1 defenceman in Yandle and Weber. Babcock isn't some overreactive fan, he likely recognizes that you can't make everyone come to Detroit, or force teams to trade with you. I bet he's overly pleased with the effort Holland has put in to try and give him what he wants. Also, Holland seemed pretty high on Brunner. And if Yandle comes here, he's #2 behind Kronwall. Weber would be #1, but Kronner is still more valuable than Yandle. He's been in mid to high 30's in pts since 2007 and had 51 pts a few years ago and has never really got playing time with Lids, so all of this is on the 2nd D pairing. There's a lot of potential this year and Babcock also really likes Smith and Nyquist so he's got some good young talent to work with. No way he bolts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,131 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Ya, Mike BabCock in a Walk! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Babcock walk away? What! He's in on these deals. He scouted Brunner. He travelled and made a pitch to Parise. He is part of management discussions. To me this is such a weird thought. Especially cause I don't count myself among the doom and gloom crowd for this offseason. We made some good moves - we just need to find that elusive top pair defenseman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Babcock isn't walking away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Looking at my OP I can see how this seems shortsighted, and how it'll be taken as a doom-and-gloom fan thinking the sky is falling down, but it was never meant to be "Well, this team is a crapshoot and I bet Babcock walks and flips the bird as he does", it was purely meant as a question that will he resign here if we don't sign someone big over the next few years? I feel I need to clarify this as I agree with what's been said, I don't think he leaves. It's not just him though, extend it to ask will the other coaches decide to stay as they have more freedom when it comes to moving away? I personally think we're still in a fairly healthy position and effectively the Weber situation gives us a better chance at the postseason with divisional ranking, just would have preferred him here. Like I said above, it's a question that popped into my head and I thought I'd ask. I've seen a lot of other coaches in sport leave for less - for those that watch soccer look at Jose Mourinho leaving Chelsea. Just a debate that's all. Was sort of hoping someone would at least say something on the other side to really kick the debate off but never really happened. Ah well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Babcock+pick for Hitchcock+Shattenkirk....get it done Ken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Not only can he walk but also chew massive collective amounts of gum at the same time as we've plainly seen him do so on the bench the past few years. Apparently Big Red is his favorite; maybe because he has red hair. He thinks that if he chews Big Red then it makes him feel like he's a Big Red in his own world, which gives him some confidence to be the Big Red coach of the Big Red Wings. 1 Wing Across The Pond reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pondrocket 35 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Babs will evaluate the team & the direction Kenny is going & decide. Who knows what he will or should do until the criteria is evaluated for that moment? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 If I was the head coach, I do know I would be frustrated how things have turned out the last few years and especially if the defensive core that was lost isn't replaced... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 Oh, for sure... he appears to be in pretty good shape. I'd have to imagine he even jogs or runs sometimes too. 2 Frozen-Man and Wing Across The Pond reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 19, 2012 The answer is Dan Girardi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) Certainly Babs has to be disappointed with how things have turned out, because he's been begging for a bit of help talent wise for a few years. But I don't think he walks, I say if guys like Iginla, Perry or Getzlaf get to market next year then Babs will be able to lobby a bit harder for them. In the mean time his task is to make the Wings play a grittier game, and get the most out of young players (Nyquist, Smith, Brunner, Emmerton, Mursak) and guys needing to step up (Quincey, Ericsson, Gustavsson, Helm, Abdelkader). Edited July 20, 2012 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jroc86 90 Report post Posted July 20, 2012 I heard something fairly interesting a few weeks back - take it for what its worth. The sand is running out of the hourglass for Babcock in Detroit if the Wings don't improve on their past few playoff performances. Every coach eventually wears out their welcome, moves on, and in many cases finds success somewhere else. Well, I friend of mine who has long been involved in the WHL told me that hes under the impression that the Oilers are waiting with baited breath to snag Babcock should he be released based on the premise the our roster just isn't responding to the same guy anymore. I could see Babcock being a great fit with them in a year or two and would likely get them deep into contention fairly quickly when all those kids have come of age. Anyways - just a rumor, thought id share. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
