T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Abby does not suck, he just isn't top 6. He has his 4th line role and he does a great job at it. I am baffled at Babcock and want to know what he is drinking because he needs to be locked up for CUI. It will not hurt to try Tatar with Datsyuk for a couple of games....WTF?!?! I am going to quote myself from earlier: Despite the great play by Jimmy, he still seems to have trouble with the rebound...it's gonna kill us sooner or later! Datsyuk is being wasted with those linemates....Babcock refuses to change it. Fire him. Franzia is Franzia...useless crap. He brings down Z and Brunner nearly as much as Cleary brings down Dats. Or atleast a half dozen shifts during a few games. Edited March 4, 2013 by T.Low Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) It would be nice if we could get rid of a few forwards and defense for some picks: Cleary/Abby/Eaves/Miller/Coli/White/Huskins, any combo 2 offense/2 defense I understand the need for depth, if we gutted our team completely and had Nyquist/Sheehan etc up here then what happens if they get injured? We would be totally boned. But at a certain point we have to let the better talent show. Edited March 4, 2013 by ben_usmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,130 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 There's at least 15 players on the team more worth hating than Franzen. You clowns must be jealous of the serious contract. Name them... BTW, I accept paypal and cash for the use of the nickname.... Franzen is a power forward and can dominate anyone. Kenny is that you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) It would be nice if we could get rid of a few forwards and defense for some picks: Cleary/Abby/Eaves/Miller/Coli/White/Huskins, any combo 2 offense/2 defense I understand the need for depth, if we gutted our team completely and had Nyquist/Sheehan etc up here then what happens if they get injured? We would be totally boned. But at a certain point we have to let the better talent show. I think it will happen soon, There hasn't been a huge need to change things up as we aren't out of the playoff hunt by a scary margin. Once the risk of being out of the playoffs overtakes the risk of losing an asset they will make the necessary moves. Right now I think they are trying their best to get value out of some of these guys. I can understand not having Nyquist up as you would have to lose someone that at the very least could be worth a pick, but playing Abby and Cleary with Datsyuk has a sign of a Babcock protest to me. I really haven't had a chance to study Babcock's interviews, but just based on his line and who he is playing it wouldn't be the first time a coach has tried a line combination to force a GM's hand. Edited March 4, 2013 by Carman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 On a plus side the girlfriend came out with a nickname for Tatar... Tater Tots. Seriously though, Blackhawks are very very beatable and I feel we can take them in a 7 game series. Crawford gave them that win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 I don't like the line, but I do think it has stayed because of defense. That is, Babs might not trust Tatar to play against Toews, Thornton, Kopitar, etc. I think Dats and Abby/Cleary could makeup for any of Tatar's deficiencies, but that's the only explanation I can think of. Flip should return and the line will be split. The 2nd line also has better D pairings with them so I don't think it's Tatar's defense that's any kind of issue. Plus, Abby is no defensive dynamo either and doesn't even play on the PK. Tatar skates super fast which can usually make up for defensive mistakes anyway. I simply think it's the stupid "seniority" rule. Tatar is newer and therefore cannot move up ahead of certain "other players" no matter how good he is. Even when it is painfully obvious he should be. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,130 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 I think it will happen soon, There hasn't been a huge need to change things up as we aren't out of the playoff hunt by a scary margin. Once the risk of being out of the playoffs overtakes the risk of losing an asset they will make the necessary moves. Right now I think they are trying their best to get value out of some of these guys. I can understand not having Nyquist up as you would have to lose someone that at the very least could be worth a pick, but playing Abby and Cleary with Datsyuk has a sign of a Babcock protest to me. I really haven't had a chance to study Babcock's interviews, but just based on his line and who he is playing it wouldn't be the first time a coach has tried a line combination to force a GM's hand. It's true that we aren't out of the playoff race as of now....I wonder where we would be if Datsyuk had an actual scorer to play with instead of two grinders...With the way Chicago is playing, we wouldn't be any higher than 4th, BUT we'd have a good amount more points and be more solidly in 4th.. The 2nd line also has better D pairings with them so I don't think it's Tatar's defense that's any kind of issue. Plus, Abby is no defensive dynamo either and doesn't even play on the PK. Tatar skates super fast which can usually make up for defensive mistakes anyway. I simply think it's the stupid "seniority" rule. Tatar is newer and therefore cannot move up ahead of certain "other players" no matter how good he is. Even when it is painfully obvious he should be. esteef Yet Brunner steps right in to a top 6 roll...and proves himself worthy of it...Babcock is baffling... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 It's true that we aren't out of the playoff race as of now....I wonder where we would be if Datsyuk had an actual scorer to play with instead of two grinders...With the way Chicago is playing, we wouldn't be any higher than 4th, BUT we'd have a good amount more points and be more solidly in 4th.. Datsyuk should be able to make the players around him better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Yet Brunner steps right in to a top 6 roll...and proves himself worthy of it...Babcock is baffling... Brunner didn't come from GR either. In other words, he never had to climb up the hierarchy. Plus he's not signed either is he? He gets ice time or potentially walks. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Datsyuk should be able to make the players around him better. I don't believe it's for a lack of trying. They have to be responsible also and they are trying but it isn't happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,130 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Datsyuk should be able to make the players around him better. Well, I guess, but it seems that Cleary and Abby are just dragging him down. Maybe if one of them were there Dats could make that one player better, but when both players are clearly in a whole different class than him, Dats can just shake his head when he makes a great play only to have Cleary screw it up or Abby whiff on the shot... Brunner didn't come from GR either. In other words, he never had to climb up the hierarchy. Plus he's not signed either is he? He gets ice time or potentially walks. esteef For sure, but my point being Brunner was put there and proved himself worthy...Tatar wouldn't waste to opportunity either. He is already proving he belongs in the NHL, but if given the same playing time as Franzia, I think he plays just as good as Brunner and renders Franzia useless...which he already is anyway. 1 esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Datsyuk should be able to make the players around him better. The players at least have to be able to keep up with him. Not only can they not skate with Pavs, they don't have the same offensive mind to hang with his moves and passing to be in the right place to succeed. They fumble passes and struggle in the corners the entire shift. You can actually see Datsyuk hesitate to pass to them knowing the drive will likely die if he gives the puck up. A lot of value could be gained by simply switching Abby and Tatar. Cleary can continue to dig in the corners and front the goalie and Dats would have someone at his talent level to work the magic. esteef 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,130 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 It all seems so easy for us...wonder what the motive is for Babcock....seriously. He has to know that Tatar is better than Abby and Cleary, and he has to see what we all see. I just wonder what is the motive....I don't get it. There is a reason that I am not the coach and he is, but I just don't get it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Well, I guess, but it seems that Cleary and Abby are just dragging him down. Maybe if one of them were there Dats could make that one player better, but when both players are clearly in a whole different class than him, Dats can just shake his head when he makes a great play only to have Cleary screw it up or Abby whiff on the shot... I agree, but they are just buying time to have 3 of our top 6 come back healthy. Whatever you think of Filpulla, Bertuzzi or Samuelsson they are proven to be reliable secondary scoring, and that's a lot of it that's off the ice for the Wings. Babcock might just be think that Tatar's line is playing well enough(which they really are), that he doesn't want to disrupt it's chemistry. And just puts out Abby-Cleary-Datsyuk to be defensively responsible, and hopefully have Cleary deflect a Datsyuk shot as he falls down. And just use this line until Filpulla/Bert/Sammy get healthy. Honestly I'm just trying to rationalize it, because it makes no sense to me. Tatar only had 8:15 minutes of ice time today, with a goal. Abby had 13, and 17 against San Jose. Daniel Carcillo almost had more ice time than Tatar. It's just criminal. And this solely falls on Babcock. Which is disheartening, I can usual understand his decisions, but this one is completely baffling to me. Sadly the only thing that I can try to think of that would make some semblence of sense is Babcock is protesting, but that's so far out there I refuse to believe it unless Babcock comes right out and says it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 datsyuk should be able to pick the players he wants on his line 2 hooon and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beachwing 426 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 It all seems so easy for us...wonder what the motive is for Babcock....seriously. He has to know that Tatar is better than Abby and Cleary, and he has to see what we all see. I just wonder what is the motive....I don't get it. There is a reason that I am not the coach and he is, but I just don't get it... My sentiments exactly....has to be a legitimate reason for Babs insistence on this line pairing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 What's worse is when Bert, Sammy and Flip all come back, say bye bye to Tatar. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beachwing 426 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Ugh....those three better light it up or I may finally become one of the wing bashers and join in the hate here at LGR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Ugh....those three better light it up or I may finally become one of the wing bashers and join in the hate here at LGR esteef 4 GMRwings1983, beachwing, hooon and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 My sentiments exactly....has to be a legitimate reason for Babs insistence on this line pairing. I've been trying to figure this one out too. I am going to give Babs the benefit of the doubt and hope he's keeping Tatar on the 3rd line for scoring depth. I just don't understand 11 and 8 there without that. I know we have injuries, but jeez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 When Bert gets back or if he gets back he should replace Abby immediately. I can't see Tartar going anywhere. He's got a bit of Danny Briere in him. Babcock isn't stupid when Sammy gets back Sammy goes on waivers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) I've been trying to figure this one out too. I am going to give Babs the benefit of the doubt and hope he's keeping Tatar on the 3rd line for scoring depth. I just don't understand 11 and 8 there without that. I know we have injuries, but jeez. I thought of the scoring depth angle too but for that to work at a minimum your top 2 lines need to be scoring, otherwise you are just spreading your offense too thin. Lately the top 2 lines are not scoring. The mystery continues. esteef Edited March 4, 2013 by esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,130 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 When Bert gets back or if he gets back he should replace Abby immediately. I can't see Tartar going anywhere. He's got a bit of Danny Briere in him. Babcock isn't stupid when Sammy gets back Sammy goes on waivers. I doubt it. Besides it's not Babcock that makes that decision...and Holland loves him some Sammy...it is SOP in this organization that as long as the player has options to be sent down, he will. No matter the skill he possesses...when all forwards are healthy, Tatar and Andersson will go back to GR...unless they make it to the time of year when you are allowed to expand your roster. Stupid, yes, but that's Hollands MO. Hey here's a thought...maybe we are all reading it wrong....maybe Tatar IS in the top 6 and Datsyuk got demoted to the bottom 6....hmmmm..... 1 hooon reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Leave Britn.............................I mean Cleary alone. Edited March 4, 2013 by GMRwings1983 1 hillbillywingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 Babcock wants to keep scoring depth and size in the top 6. If not size then strength atleast. Most of the good teams in the league have a lot bigger top 6 it's an obvious weakness of ours. What Tatar and Andersson is doing on the 3rd line is good for their development and for the team. Abdelkader has absolutely no offensive ability but he's strong enough to hang with most teams top 6. We're keeping the puck out of our net this way and I think that's what Babcock wants. Flip will replace Abdelkader. Babcock doesn't think Abdelkader is a legitimate top 6 but he is filling in for our injuries he will go back down to the bottom 6 soon enough And honestly I don't have a huge problem with Cleary up there. He's good in our own end and can knock people off the puck and a good cycler. I'd rather be sound defensively with structure throughout the lineup and I'm seeing it these last three games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
