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#1 unsaddleddonald

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:07 AM

Just wondering if you guys have noticed this as well.

 

It seems like a lot of our guys (especially Quincey and White) have a hard time controlling the puck along the boards in the offensive zone.

 

There have been many times where I have seen the puck hop over our guy's sticks and they subsequently give up a 2 on 1.

 

Yet another aspect that Nick would do flawlessly that we miss.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:37 AM

That and the inability to put the puck on the tape of a moving forward.

 

And the struggle of our forwards to win battles along the half-boards so that when we finally do carry the puck out of the defensive zone, he's 1 against 3 and then Carman moans about Datysuk turning the puck over.

 

But yeah, Lidstrom was an absolute master at keeping the puck in at the blue line, as good as I've ever seen.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:43 AM

Just wondering if you guys have noticed this as well.
 
It seems like a lot of our guys (especially Quincey and White) have a hard time controlling the puck along the boards in the offensive zone.
 
There have been many times where I have seen the puck hop over our guy's sticks and they subsequently give up a 2 on 1.
 
Yet another aspect that Nick would do flawlessly that we miss.


Chelios was the master of the bad pinch. Seemed like Fisch was defending 2 on 1's every night. Our team is just in need of offense. A couple snipers who need to be guarded tightly allows the guys on the boards to play one on one instead of getting double teamed and then the defensemen pinching don't get as much pressure when they pinch. Half step ahead in the cycle vs. Half step behind makes all the difference.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

Chelios was the master of the bad pinch. Seemed like Fisch was defending 2 on 1's every night. Our team is just in need of offense. A couple snipers who need to be guarded tightly allows the guys on the boards to play one on one instead of getting double teamed and then the defensemen pinching don't get as much pressure when they pinch. Half step ahead in the cycle vs. Half step behind makes all the difference.

 

There's numerous variables that go into offensive production. It's not simply so cut and dry. You can have all the skill in the world, with an all-star top 12 but they aren't going to be able to break into the zone without a proper transition. The start of the transition falls in the hands of the defensemen in almost all cases. They need to give a solid first pass clean on the blade of the moving forwards. If the puck is misplaced behind, infront, at their skates, etc it will cause a delay inwhich you will have more coverage and you won't be moving as cleanly as you should. If you can cleanly exit the zone with a good first pass, you break the neutral zone with speed. You NEED speed through the neutral zone or you're going to get clogged there. Teams will stack the line, and be able to cut your available lanes into the zone. It all goes downhill from there.

 

Our defense is getting better, but we need a solid group that is used to one another. You can't be switching players everywhere throughout the season, they build no chemistry and they don't get comfortable. You also start sending the message of, "I was apart of a 3-0 win, and played a fine game. We worked hard together, showed that we had desperation in our game and we wanted the win." What do they get awarded with? Roster changes the next game. It gets frustrating. 

 

Our offense needs help, I can agree with you. We need that bonified goal scorer in our top 6. We have no one to turn to when we're in need of a goal. But, we need others thing to help support the offense also. Keeping it within the zone is one of those things also!


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:14 AM

This is part of the transition of our team. 5 years ago, guys like White were common on our blueline. smaller Dmen that were good passers. Now our Dmen are much bigger, better skaters-as a group, but not as good of passers/puck handlers. The real problem is our top 2 forward lines were built for the old style of play. It is a mismatched skill set. Our Dmen are built to join the rush or drive the puck deep. The forwards don't play that style so it seems odd at times.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:27 PM

I'm gonna take a different angle.  The play that gives our D fits is our forwards not giving them proper passing lanes for the breakout pass.  Just skating in straight lines up the boards.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:31 PM

Rafalski was also great at holding the line

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:51 PM

I'm gonna take a different angle.  The play that gives our D fits is our forwards not giving them proper passing lanes for the breakout pass.  Just skating in straight lines up the boards.

 

That is a problem in general for the whole team.

 

They run the offense similar to NHL13: skate straight to the net and try and pass through the skates and sticks of defensemen.

 

Rarely do you see our guys cut to the middle after entering the zone and create different shooting lanes or pause a little, let one guy drive the net, and catch the trailing man.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

We get so messed up when opposing teams bring three guys into the zone at the same time with speed. Our dmen back off too much and there is always a guy in the slot open and our backcheckers always screw up assignments. Often there is a far side shot that comes off a body or jimmy and then it is pounced on. 


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:26 PM

Our defenseman suck at a lot of things.  Most notably is the inability to get pucks through the point.  

 

Enrico Ciccone was better offensively than most of our defenseman.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:16 PM

Pretty much any kind of forecheck scheme by the Blue Jackets and Flames. 



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

I'm gonna take a different angle.  The play that gives our D fits is our forwards not giving them proper passing lanes for the breakout pass.  Just skating in straight lines up the boards.

Exactly.

 

The Kings are the team I watch as much if not more than the Wings so they're my best point of reference.  They've got skill guys but even with their 3rd and 4th lines, they've clearly worked on their zone breakouts time and time again so it's automatic.  Everyone knows where to be.  Where the outlet is.  Where the option is if that's not available. 

 

It doesn't always work but even under an intense forecheck they do well and keep it pretty simple. 



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

Our defenseman suck at a lot of things.  Most notably is the inability to get pucks through the point.  
 
Enrico Ciccone was better offensively than most of our defenseman.


Enrico Ciccone...lol...nice

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:08 AM

 

That is a problem in general for the whole team.

 

They run the offense similar to NHL13: skate straight to the net and try and pass through the skates and sticks of defensemen.

 

Rarely do you see our guys cut to the middle after entering the zone and create different shooting lanes or pause a little, let one guy drive the net, and catch the trailing man.

Ah, s*** dood....you had me on da cross-crease! 


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:18 AM

I have indeed noticed that we have a lot of odd man rush's that happen for the most part because of that and our horrid, and I mean horrid line changes.  


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:24 AM

Exactly.

 

The Kings are the team I watch as much if not more than the Wings so they're my best point of reference.  They've got skill guys but even with their 3rd and 4th lines, they've clearly worked on their zone breakouts time and time again so it's automatic.  Everyone knows where to be.  Where the outlet is.  Where the option is if that's not available. 

 

It doesn't always work but even under an intense forecheck they do well and keep it pretty simple. 

But why is that ? Because we had no proper pre-season, a lot of new guys and many injuries. It just is what it is and concerning all the former points our standing is still pretty good. I'd really like to see what damage this team can do next season. Maybe with a Top 6 Goalscorer then.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:46 AM

But why is that ? Because we had no proper pre-season, a lot of new guys and many injuries. It just is what it is and concerning all the former points our standing is still pretty good. I'd really like to see what damage this team can do next season. Maybe with a Top 6 Goalscorer then.

Which is why I still think the decision to rely on Q, Sammy, Cola, & Tootoo instead of the kids was made i.e. bringing back players that knew the Wings' systems or veterans that would pick up the schemes easily enough versus trying to get the kids up to speed without the benefit of a training camp/pre-season & the usual amount of practice time during the season. Solid reasoning but unfortunately the circumstances changed.  On the upside though, the Wings brass knows now that Andersson, Tatar, Nyquist, DeKeyser, & Lashoff are going to be full-time NHLers & all probably starting next season.  I'm sure there will be growing pains & we'll still see those plays that continue to give the Wings problems over & over to start the season, but I also think we'll start seeing less & less of those as next season wears on.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:00 AM

Which is why I still think the decision to rely on Q, Sammy, Cola, & Tootoo instead of the kids was made i.e. bringing back players that knew the Wings' systems or veterans that would pick up the schemes easily enough versus trying to get the kids up to speed without the benefit of a training camp/pre-season & the usual amount of practice time during the season. Solid reasoning but unfortunately the circumstances changed.  On the upside though, the Wings brass knows now that Andersson, Tatar, Nyquist, DeKeyser, & Lashoff are going to be full-time NHLers & all probably starting next season.  I'm sure there will be growing pains & we'll still see those plays that continue to give the Wings problems over & over to start the season, but I also think we'll start seeing less & less of those as next season wears on.

 

That is the scary thing though. Last year everyone and their mother was saying that Nyquist would be a full time NHLer. He seems to be locked in now, but it took a while.

 

Who knows with this brain trust...



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:26 AM

its nice to know thats why we pay Quincey 3+ Million for his defensively sound game....



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:36 PM

its nice to know thats why we pay Quincey 3+ Million for his defensively sound game....

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I'm Kyle Quincey....how come I can't read plays on defence?

 

or better yet

 

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I can't see through this damn birdcage!

 

In conclusion:  Quincey is not good.


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