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Ilya Kovalchuk announces retirement

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Lol, naaaaa

Why?

Lamoriello could have held him to their contract. That was a huge favour to let him go. That doesn't deserve some respect from Kovalchuck? I'm not talking respect from the rest of us.

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Why?

Lamoriello could have held him to their contract. That was a huge favour to let him go. That doesn't deserve some respect from Kovalchuck? I'm not talking respect from the rest of us.

Kovy officially retired from the NHL, I don't believe there's anything the Devils could have done to stop that.

Maybe they could have done something to prevent him from playing in the KHL (or IIHF games at least), but that would have been kind of dicky. I don't think 'not being a dick' is the same as doing someone a huge favor.

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Or smart enough to know that if he comes back he's no longer tied to that ridiculous 2nd contract he signed with the Devils.

:) Yeah, it'd probably be smart if he didn't want and was forced to sign that contract. But I believe otherwise, he fought for those terms, negotiated and renegotiated them. Which makes him looks like an idiot (or childish irresponsible person who acts under impulses) now, provided he really wants to go back.

for fans, I hope he would be booed long and loud on every nhl arena should he return.

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Kovy officially retired from the NHL, I don't believe there's anything the Devils could have done to stop that.

Maybe they could have done something to prevent him from playing in the KHL (or IIHF games at least), but that would have been kind of dicky. I don't think 'not being a dick' is the same as doing someone a huge favor.

They could have tied him to his contract. Not sure that it would qualify as "being a dick" to make him fulfill a contract that he signed. They also voided the contract outright. That allowed him outright freedom. They could have just loaned him to the KHL (think of Radulov or Hudler). Not every GM would have been so willing to let him go and and relinquish his NHL rights.

And for number9: Here's Kovalchuck when left:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=677712

Kovalchuk said in a statement released by the team. "Though I decided to return this past season, [general manager] Lou [Lamoriello] was aware of my desire to go back home and have my family there with me. The most difficult thing for me is to leave the New Jersey Devils, a great organization that I have a lot of respect for, and our fans that have been great to me."

Yes, he's saying it partly for PR reasons, but I'm not sure why people disagreed with me that he might feel some good will toward Lamoriello. Is there some stated animosity that I'm unaware of?

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They could have tied him to his contract. Not sure that it would qualify as "being a dick" to make him fulfill a contract that he signed. They also voided the contract outright. That allowed him outright freedom. They could have just loaned him to the KHL (think of Radulov or Hudler). Not every GM would have been so willing to let him go and and relinquish his NHL rights.

And for number9: Here's Kovalchuck when left:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=677712

Kovalchuk said in a statement released by the team. "Though I decided to return this past season, [general manager] Lou [Lamoriello] was aware of my desire to go back home and have my family there with me. The most difficult thing for me is to leave the New Jersey Devils, a great organization that I have a lot of respect for, and our fans that have been great to me."

Yes, he's saying it partly for PR reasons, but I'm not sure why people disagreed with me that he might feel some good will toward Lamoriello. Is there some stated animosity that I'm unaware of?

Kovys always been a money chaser. Suddenly he wants to return right when the Russian economy is getting hit? Coincidence? Or maybe he's just sick of his family (sarcasm)?

If he does come back, my bet is he's going to sign with the highest bidder plain and simple.

Parise had nothing but good things to say about NJ, doesn't mean he wanted to stay there.

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Kovys always been a money chaser. Suddenly he wants to return right when the Russian economy is getting hit? Coincidence? Or maybe he's just sick of his family (sarcasm)?

If he does come back, my bet is he's going to sign with the highest bidder plain and simple.

Parise had nothing but good things to say about NJ, doesn't mean he wanted to stay there.

Okay, I see that.

It's a more compelling argument than "lol, naaaaa."

For what it's worth, kovy denied the rumour:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/khl-denies-ilya-kovalchuk-nhl-rumours/

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They could have tied him to his contract. Not sure that it would qualify as "being a dick" to make him fulfill a contract that he signed. They also voided the contract outright. That allowed him outright freedom. They could have just loaned him to the KHL (think of Radulov or Hudler). Not every GM would have been so willing to let him go and and relinquish his NHL rights.

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Tied him to his contract in what sense? They couldn't force him to stay in NJ. All they could have done was maybe block him from playing in Russia. And IMO, doing something to hurt someone even though you don't gain anything from it is pretty much the definition of being a dick.

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Tied him to his contract in what sense? They couldn't force him to stay in NJ. All they could have done was maybe block him from playing in Russia. And IMO, doing something to hurt someone even though you don't gain anything from it is pretty much the definition of being a dick.

When you sign a contract, you're expected to fulfill it. If you decide one day, nevermind, i don't wanna do that thing that I legally put my name to and promised to do, then you are the dick not the otherside who is fulfilling their end of the contract. When the other side waives their legal right to enforce said contract and allows you out of it that, is a personal favour. In this case, it was a favour that was detrimental to the interests of their organization.

They had a contract it's not "forcing him to stay in NJ." Any NHL contract blocks that person from playing in Russia or any other league.

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When you sign a contract, you're expected to fulfill it. If you decide one day, nevermind, i don't wanna do that thing that I legally put my name to and promised to do, then you are the dick not the otherside who is fulfilling their end of the contract. When the other side waives their legal right to enforce said contract and allows you out of it that, is a personal favour. In this case, it was a favour that was detrimental to the interests of their organization.

They had a contract it's not "forcing him to stay in NJ." Any NHL contract blocks that person from playing in Russia or any other league.

Not exactly. NHL players are allowed to retire. They have every right to, "decide one day, nevermind...". Regardless of whether doing so makes Kovy a dick or not, two wrongs don't make a right. You might speculate that had the Devils wanted to block him from playing in the KHL, he might have stayed with them, but I could just as easily speculate that the Devils wanted out of the deal themselves. Going on the assumption that he wasn't going to play in NJ regardless, then allowing or not allowing him to play in the KHL doesn't have any impact on the Devils. There's no reason to block it except out of spite.

And it isn't detrimental to the organization at all. It may become detrimental if Kovy wants to come back to the NHL and the Devils in fact no longer retain any rights to him and he can still play up to the level of his previous contract and the Devils would indeed want him and his contract back. That's a lot of ifs.

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Not exactly. NHL players are allowed to retire. They have every right to, "decide one day, nevermind...". Regardless of whether doing so makes Kovy a dick or not, two wrongs don't make a right. You might speculate that had the Devils wanted to block him from playing in the KHL, he might have stayed with them, but I could just as easily speculate that the Devils wanted out of the deal themselves. Going on the assumption that he wasn't going to play in NJ regardless, then allowing or not allowing him to play in the KHL doesn't have any impact on the Devils. There's no reason to block it except out of spite.

And it isn't detrimental to the organization at all. It may become detrimental if Kovy wants to come back to the NHL and the Devils in fact no longer retain any rights to him and he can still play up to the level of his previous contract and the Devils would indeed want him and his contract back. That's a lot of ifs.

Of course players are allowed to retire. But Kovy didn't retire. He "retired". He used it as a legal maneuver to get out of his contract. It's not the same.

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Of course players are allowed to retire. But Kovy didn't retire. He "retired". He used it as a legal maneuver to get out of his contract. It's not the same.

Not playing for the Devils is not playing for the Devils. Whether sitting on his ass or working in some unrelated business or playing for a non-competing hockey team on the other side of the world makes no difference. None of it has any impact on the Devils.

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Not playing for the Devils is not playing for the Devils. Whether sitting on his ass or working in some unrelated business or playing for a non-competing hockey team on the other side of the world makes no difference. None of it has any impact on the Devils.

I think he just means that he didn't simply retire and be done with the sport, he retired so he could go play somewhere else. The Devils wanted out of that contract too so it was mutually beneficial at the time.

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Not playing for the Devils is not playing for the Devils. Whether sitting on his ass or working in some unrelated business or playing for a non-competing hockey team on the other side of the world makes no difference. None of it has any impact on the Devils.

I didn't say anything to the contrary. lol

I'm just not going to pretend his retiring was anything but a legal maneuver.

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Not exactly. NHL players are allowed to retire. They have every right to, "decide one day, nevermind...". Regardless of whether doing so makes Kovy a dick or not, two wrongs don't make a right. You might speculate that had the Devils wanted to block him from playing in the KHL, he might have stayed with them, but I could just as easily speculate that the Devils wanted out of the deal themselves. Going on the assumption that he wasn't going to play in NJ regardless, then allowing or not allowing him to play in the KHL doesn't have any impact on the Devils. There's no reason to block it except out of spite.

And it isn't detrimental to the organization at all. It may become detrimental if Kovy wants to come back to the NHL and the Devils in fact no longer retain any rights to him and he can still play up to the level of his previous contract and the Devils would indeed want him and his contract back. That's a lot of ifs.

As Son of a Wing said, Kovy didn't retire even though they called it that. He switched leagues. Contracts inherently block against that. And the KHL and the NHL have an agreement to stop pursuing players under contract in the other league. All I'm saying is that to get this done, I think it took some good will on the part of the Devils. They did have a choice to let him go. I'll even allow that it might have be slightly dickish to point to the contract when a player really wants out, but that doesn't negate that it was classy for them to let him out of this gigantic contract where he had promised 9 more years to them. Also, they wouldn't have blocked him "out of spite." It would've been because they wanted him to play for their team and they had a contract.

My original point was just that Kovy might feel some debt or gratitude or respect for them letting him out of the contract. That's me speculating on Kovy's mindset. There's no way of knowing how he interpreted the events or knowing his true opinion of the Devils organization. I feel it would be a possibility.

Anyway, he denied the rumour and I don't see a return happening for him.

Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

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Seeing as he retired, wouldn't he have to be re-instated by the league, not just get the approval of the 29 other teams?

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Man, it was a good riddance for devils after all...

Wow! He always had a rep as having a bad attitude. NJ is lucky that he walked away, that cap hit for who knows how long would have been crippling.

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Regardless of anything that happened after it is still complete garbage what the league did to him and the devils.

What did the league do? The penalty they received for circumventing the cap?

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Man, it was a good riddance for devils after all...

To be fair, SKA St Peterburg has plenty of star players who aren't performing as they should. The coach couldn't bench all of them. So he benched the captain to send his team a message. Of course, Kovalchuk's play in the first game of this year playoffs made that decision easy.

But saying "good riddance" to Kovy based on this one episode is premature at best. After all, just last year he was the KHL playoff MVP.

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To be fair, SKA St Peterburg has plenty of star players who aren't performing as they should. The coach couldn't bench all of them. So he benched the captain to send his team a message. Of course, Kovalchuk's play in the first game of this year playoffs made that decision easy.

But saying "good riddance" to Kovy based on this one episode is premature at best. After all, just last year he was the KHL playoff MVP.

the guy is an ******* and he proved it again.

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the guy is an ******* and he proved it again.

I don't know if there was any conflict in the locker room or with the coaching staff. It could be just reaction to uninspired play, a signal to the rwest of the team, like I said.

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I think that Kovalchuk, Radulov and Malkin are spoiled brats who think they can do whatever they want, Malkin to lesser degree than Kovy and Radulov...

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