wings4thecup06 504 Report post Posted August 28, 2014 I don't think he is doomed. The only way he doesn't end up playing is he is sent down to the minors AND every single Red Wing forward stays healthy for 82 games. There is always someone injured, i'm sure Jurco will get his playing time in and by then end of the year be playing every game. I meant doomed in terms of starting the season with the Wings and then staying for the season. I have no doubt he'll get called up and play at least 20 games at some point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted August 29, 2014 Personally, I think Jurco was doomed as soon as Cleary was signed. The only saving grace here though is if management sees that Cleary has a horrible camp and decides that they've had enough. Dano is going to get his 10 games to shine, regardless. The real question remains: Will management sit him after he proves ineffective during that stint? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings4thecup06 504 Report post Posted August 29, 2014 Dano is going to get his 10 games to shine, regardless. The real question remains: Will management sit him after he proves ineffective during that stint? Even if Cleary has a horrible camp and is clearly a really bad option to be kept on the roster? I could see it happening if he has a good camp yes, but what if he just can't play at this level anymore? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Cleary was a healthy scratch last year despite our injury problems. It would happen again this year if he's bad. Last year he was given a pretty long leash, though, and played pretty long after he'd proven ineffective. Hopefully, they'll take a few yards of that leash this year. Edited August 29, 2014 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 It is absolutely a problem to keep a player who is not NHL caliber on the roster. Unless he gets a lot better, Dan Cleary is not NHL caliber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails. ******* ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points. 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings4thecup06 504 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points. I have a ton of respect for Cleary. But I'm completely divided on this issue. Part of me wants Danny to have a real strong season, but then the other half of me wants several prospects - Jurco and Mantha mainly, to play better than him in preseason so they force managements hand into playing them full time in the NHL this season. More so for Jurco than Mantha, but you get the point. I don't want Cleary to fail or suck though. But part of me feels its time to move on and properly make the young guns transition. Jurco is a big part of that IMO, and if we can get nearly a full season of Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco, we'll be a stronger team. 1 GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Cleary used to be a very good role player. Now his knees are shot and he can't skate. Unless he found some magic pills that healed them, he shouldn't be anywhere near an NHL ice surface. If they really wanted him back he should have gotten a tryout deal. Now I'd he doesn't make it the Wings are stuck with 2.5 mil in cap hit because you know he'll get his 10 games in. Edited August 30, 2014 by DickieDunn 2 F.Michael and GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points. That is all well and good if Cleary somehow has knees again. I'm not rooting for him to fail, but Tomas Jurco can do better than 20 points on the third line, along with everything else he provides that is superior to Cleary. Even if Cleary is healthy, he's pushing better players off the roster. That has always been my continuous problem with the deal. 1 wings4thecup06 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings4thecup06 504 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 That is all well and good if Cleary somehow has knees again. I'm not rooting for him to fail, but Tomas Jurco can do better than 20 points on the third line, along with everything else he provides that is superior to Cleary. Even if Cleary is healthy, he's pushing better players off the roster. That has always been my continuous problem with the deal. That is precisely my hang up with Cleary. I have nothing against him, and have a lot of respect for him. But unlike Aflie (who could, if he plays like last season, could contribute 20 goals), a full season of Jurco would most likely end up with 20 goals, and a very productive 3rd line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Even if Cleary has a horrible camp and is clearly a really bad option to be kept on the roster? I could see it happening if he has a good camp yes, but what if he just can't play at this level anymore? Does it really matter? I hate to sound jaded here, but when it comes to all things Dan Cleary, I know exactly what to expect from Kenny and co. He's going to get his ten games, because Ken Holland promised him that money. He could be pure garbage water in the pre-season, and he's still going to play his ten games this season. LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points. If Dano could be a 20-20 guy again I would be totally content. I don't care who the player is - if he produces for this team, or helps it win in some other fashion, I appreciate his contributions. Even if he did play 50+ games and produce 20+ points, he's not going to be adding anything to the PK, I think, as his speed and mobility have taken a huge hit. The issue is, he's not that guy anymore, and smart money says his knee is too shot for him to make any kind of comeback. I would have preferred either of these two scenarios... I would have liked that extra spot on the team to be up for grabs in camp. Any one of Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha or Nosek could push for the spot. Not sure any would be 100% ready, but it would be great to see them battle and find out who would push the most for the spot. On the flip side, I do think we already have a ton of offensive talent up front. Maybe that spot could have gone to Ferraro or Callahan for duty on the PK. Sheahan might see more PK time with Weiss returning, but outside of that, Helm and Miller are the regulars. Glendening and Andersson can play on the PK, but I'm not sure how often they'll be in the line-up. I just think either option would have been better. Edited August 30, 2014 by Jesusberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 Cleary won't be able to sustain an effective level of play for long even if he does win a job in camp. Which I think will happen. Xmas time Jurco will be up full time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 I thought this thread was about Alfie? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 I thought this thread was about Alfie?Don't be ridiculous, all threads are about Cleary. 4 number9, marcaractac, Ally and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 679 Report post Posted August 30, 2014 Don't be ridiculous, all threads are about Cleary. Surprisingly enough, even the one about Cleary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) UPDATE: Now, he's unsure. ARTICLE: http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=729519&navid=DL “If I would start this season as I did last year I would have signed already,” the 18-season veteran said Wednesday. “I had some issues with my back throughout the year, but nothing serious until the end when I started getting some tingling in the nerve down the right leg. That’s what worries me more than anything.” Same old lip service from Babcock about "you gotta contribute to play.." [[After some of the staffing situations he has created, how does he say this with a straight face??]] With a logjam of forwards heading to training camp, the one thing the Red Wings can’t afford is for Alfredsson to play a limited role on a team immersed in a youth movement. “We don’t want a part-time player, we want a full-time player, so guy’s got to be healthy, he’s got to be able to skate,” Red Wings coach Mike Babcock said. “Alfie led our team in scoring last year … that’s how good a man he is and that’s how talented he is. But if you start the year injured and you’re 25, you got a chance to finish the year healthy. If you start the year injured and you’re Alfie’s age, the chance of you getting ready to go is a lot harder.” Edited September 3, 2014 by FireCaptain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hey man nice shot! 144 Report post Posted September 3, 2014 Fine with it either way, but as a family man i hope he makes the right decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
