nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 13, 2015 20 to 40 is a huge range. I'm not sold on either Tatar or Nyquist being more than 60 point guys. Sure, they're valuable, but not guys you can't part with. They got the tools to get 25-40 goals ... Not saying they'll get 40 goals per season but I can see either of them having a big year, besides that I can see them being regular 25-30 goal guys every season, and for that I'd personally want someone more certain than vatanen that's all Not saying it'll just be nyquist/Tatar 1 for 1 but the main guy in a deal ... Vatanen hasn't proven enough for me yet to jump on it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 14, 2015 I love both Nyquist and Tatar but I would absolutely trade one of them for an upgrade on the back end (top 4 defenseman). We have a ton of forwards coming over the next few seasons, more than we'll have room for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Put in my post In the wrong topic my bad Edited June 15, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 I love both Nyquist and Tatar but I would absolutely trade one of them for an upgrade on the back end (top 4 defenseman). We have a ton of forwards coming over the next few seasons, more than we'll have room for. One of them will for sureh ave to be included in a package. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 I've been busy and admittedly have somewhat fallen out of the Red Wings loop, so to speak. Who are players that are absolutely not going anywhere? Seems to be more talk of potential trades this offseason (Though I'm not putting a ton of stock into them at this point). 1. Are Tatar/Nyquist trade bait? 2. Is Weiss being bought out? 3. What is the deal with Franzen? Will he be back? 4. What's the deal with Smith? Are we re-signing him or trading him? 5. Who are we looking at on the blueline? Phaneuf, Wisniewski, Jackman, McQuaid? 6. Are we looking to add anyone up front? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Don't know if it's been posted and I take most things she says with a grain of salt but, st. James says that the wings will target beleskey. I don't think we'll offer him what other teams will and chances are slim to none that we actually sign him but he'd look damn good in a wings sweater imo. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/06/13/detroit-red-wings-minors/71204256/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Bring Back The Bruise Bros - 1. I wouldn't say that Tatar or Nyquist are "trade bait", but I do believe if the right deal came along for a top 4 defenseman, they could potentially be dealt. 2. My guess is that Weiss remains under contract for another season to see if he can be at least remotely productive under a new coach. If he's still not producing or not playing, he will likely be bought out next offseason. 3. Franzen along with management are hopeful that he can make a comeback, but I think he will likely stay on LTIR for the foreseeable future. 4. Smith will definitely be re-signed, but like Nyquist and Tatar, he could be part of a package to bring in a defenseman. 5. There are still a lot of rumors floating around about a trade with Toronto for Phaneuf. I personally don't see it happening. My bet is we sign a free agent or go with the kids. 6. Carl Soderberg and Matt Beleskey are the names I've been hearing floating around. I don't really want to add much of anything up front unless it's a significant upgrade and/or we lose a forward or two in a trade over the summer... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 I've been busy and admittedly have somewhat fallen out of the Red Wings loop, so to speak. Who are players that are absolutely not going anywhere? Seems to be more talk of potential trades this offseason (Though I'm not putting a ton of stock into them at this point). 1. Are Tatar/Nyquist trade bait? 2. Is Weiss being bought out? 3. What is the deal with Franzen? Will he be back? 4. What's the deal with Smith? Are we re-signing him or trading him? 5. Who are we looking at on the blueline? Phaneuf, Wisniewski, Jackman, McQuaid? 6. Are we looking to add anyone up front? 1. I hope not. They're young and getting better. 2. I don't believe teams have that option this year. Probably try to trade him to a team looking to hit the cap floor. 3. He's cleared to play and is supposed to be back in the lineup next fall. 4. Listening to trade rumors, it sounds like they're trying to deal him, but who knows for sure. 5. Almost traded for Phaneuf at the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them try it again on Draft Day. If Babcock was still here, I'd think they would go after Green since Babs really wanted a right handed shooting d-man. Not sure about now. 6. Maybe a piece here or there, but we have a ton of good young forwards that are only getting better each year. This is the last place they should look to improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 xtrememachine1, there is a buyout period every year, starting on June 15th or 48 hours after the final game of the playoffs (whichever is later), and ends on June 30th. So, by Thursday of this week, teams will be able to buyout contracts. You are probably confusing this with the Compliance Buyout period which was a two year window (each off-season) where teams could have bought out up to two players on their team without it costing anything against the salary cap. This however, costs teams between 1/3 (under 26 years of age) - 2/3 (over 26) of the total salary divided over twice the number of years left on the contract. If Weiss were bought out next offseason it would cost us $4.9M X 2 X 2/3 / 4 = approximately $1.633M per year for 4 seasons. Where have you heard that Franzen has been cleared to play? All I've heard is that he is working hard to get to where he needs to be, and that the team is hopeful he can come back... I believe Babcock was a huge reason we almost landed Phaneuf, I honestly don't see him being moved, and certainly not to the Wings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Internet.Unknown 422 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Why do people still think Phaneuf will be traded to Detroit? The rumored trade at deadline involved Weiss and Smith, two guys Babcock surely doesn't want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Why do people still think Phaneuf will be traded to Detroit? The rumored trade at deadline involved Weiss and Smith, two guys Babcock surely doesn't want. and why would Detroit want that 7M/year pylon? 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Internet.Unknown 422 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 and why would Detroit want that 7M/year pylon? For sightings of his wife maybe? 1 BadgerBob reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 and why would Detroit want that 7M/year pylon? Cuz he big. He huge. He more than man. He big man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Toronto wants to dump Phaneuf's salary and rebuild. Could be had for prospects. Weiss was just tacked on to trade one crap contract for another but I think the deal would have to involve a completely different package now Phaneuf would probably be our highest scoring defensemen and his salary is huge leverage in the deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Should we be looking at niklas hjalmarsson? Chicago is gonna need cap space to resign saad and a few others and they have toews and kane getting 10 mill + on the cap They have 7 million left in cap space and a bunch of roster spots to fill up .... There gonna try and trade sharp bickell veersteeg and maybe they'll try resigning seabrook to an extension earlier Hjalmarsson has only has one 20+pt season so I'm sure they wouldn't be asking for the moon like the leafs are for phaneuf Maybe a 2nd or 3rd (can trade for a 2nd rounder this year or send a 3rd this year or next) was thinking smith but they got a lot of good young dmen .... Maybe a nosek/jurco/Ferraro type player who can go into their lineup next year and help them off set losing vermette bickell versteeg richards sharp Edited June 16, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Should we be looking at niklas hjalmarsson? Chicago is gonna need cap space to resign saad and a few others and they have toews and kane getting 10 mill + on the cap They have 7 million left in cap space and a bunch of roster spots to fill up .... There gonna try and trade sharp bickell veersteeg and maybe they'll try resigning seabrook to an extension earlier Hjalmarsson has only has one 20+pt season so I'm sure they wouldn't be asking for the moon like the leafs are for phaneuf Maybe a 2nd or 3rd (can trade for a 2nd rounder this year or send a 3rd this year or next) was thinking smith but they got a lot of good young dmen .... Maybe a nosek/jurco/Ferraro type player who can go into their lineup next year and help them off set losing vermette bickell versteeg richards sharp i wouldn't mind a seabrooke or Sharp honestly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 i wouldn't mind a seabrooke or Sharp honestly Seabrook would be an incredible pick up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Seabrook would be an incredible pick up. the possiblitlies with him and Kronwall....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 i wouldn't mind a seabrooke or Sharp honestlyWe have too many forwards to trade for sharp, plus he's on the downswing if his career anyway and wed have to send a young cost controlled player back whos good enough to carry a decent amount value, which we don't need to be doing.Seabrook would be awesome, but as stated, they're probably not going to move him. I could see someone offer sheeting said, forcing them to match and depending on how the rest of their roster shakes out they may need to trade him, but it seems unlikely.. Oduya could be good. I'd rather have him than franson, phaneuf, or green and we won't have to trade for him since hell be a UFA. I mean, we could send them some kind of pick for the negotiating rights, but we don't have to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 Free agency is over for us. We landed Blashill and Cleary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 17, 2015 jimmy, you'd rather Johnny Oduya over Franson, Green or Phaneuf? Seriously? He's the opposite of what we should be looking for. We need a top 4 puck moving defenseman that can put up some points, preferably in his prime, not a bottom pairing shut down defenseman... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 17, 2015 and why would Detroit want that 7M/year pylon? Agreed. We don't need Toronto's sloppy seconds 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 17, 2015 Agreed. We don't need Toronto's sloppy seconds I see what you did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) We have too many forwards to trade for sharp, plus he's on the downswing if his career anyway and wed have to send a young cost controlled player back whos good enough to carry a decent amount value, which we don't need to be doing. Seabrook would be awesome, but as stated, they're probably not going to move him. I could see someone offer sheeting said, forcing them to match and depending on how the rest of their roster shakes out they may need to trade him, but it seems unlikely.. Oduya could be good. I'd rather have him than franson, phaneuf, or green and we won't have to trade for him since hell be a UFA. I mean, we could send them some kind of pick for the negotiating rights, but we don't have to. Ok screw SHARP what about Jumbo Joe what would it take for him could you imagine him on the 2nd Line? Edited June 17, 2015 by sjr2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 17, 2015 Saw on twitter something about how the flyers haven't made any contact with lecavaliers agent on buying him out .... I was curious and went and check Lecavalier has 3 years 4.5 cap hit left I'm Not saying id do it but weiss has 3 years and 4.9 cap hit left Would anyone take a gamble and make the trade?and then buy out lecavalier if he's god awful? Contracts similar so it's 2 teams trading a problem for another I'd probably try and trade weiss with some of his salary paid , rather then dealing with his contract for 4 years , or the 2nd option would be to just bury him in Grand Rapids for the season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites