12/13 GDT : Coyotes 4 at Red Wings 1

[chaps80 1,591]

3 hours ago, wings_fanatic said:

And howard starting after a bad game. Petr had a bad game and is still sitting for it. Hobestly we have the dumbest coach. He can't handle lines or goaltending.

Agreed. I'm surprised Mrazek even got the start against CBJ when Howard was good to go, even though the team got 8 out of 10 points with Mrazek while he was injured. 4-1 loss, Mrazek's benched. 4-1 loss, Howard still starts the next game. Party on Blash.

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I'm done watching until he's gone. I'm definitely not giving them any of my money. I wish more people would too. Sad, because I actually wanted to make it down to The Joe before it closes. Blashill is worse than Dave Lewis.

Looks like I won't be going to The Joe before it closes either. I had planned on it, but it's not worth the money or the trip down to see the 2016-17 version of the Red Wings. Can't see the team that opens LCA being any better either.

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

And howard starting after a bad game. Petr had a bad game and is still sitting for it. Hobestly we have the dumbest coach. He can't handle lines or goaltending.

I think Blashill knows that the next week or two is going to define whether he has a job come the new year. As much as Mrazek fans hate to hear it at this moment Howard gives a low scoring team the best chance to stay in a game. If you were Blashill you would do the same thing. Start the guy who's been the teams MVP to try and save your job. Unless Mrazek somehow finds his game from the first half of last season don't expect him to get a majority of the games until the Wings are way out of the playoff race. That said #FireBlashill

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[kickazz 5,459]

That's a good point.

Blashill is most likely trying to protect his job. He could give two s***s about Howard or Mrazek at this point and wants the guy who can get him the wins. 

[wings_fanatic 677]

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

That's a good point.

Blashill is most likely trying to protect his job. He could give two s***s about Howard or Mrazek at this point and wants the guy who can get him the wins. 

Well then he should go back to Mrazek who got 8 of 10 points while Howard was out. The team plays better in front of Mrazek and actually scores more goals too, so that is something to think about. 

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Well then he should go back to Mrazek who got 8 of 10 points while Howard was out. The team plays better in front of Mrazek and actually scores more goals too, so that is something to think about. 

If he wants to protect his job he needsto go with the better goalie and that's Howard whether you like it or not.

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

39 minutes ago, wings_fanatic said:

Well then he should go back to Mrazek who got 8 of 10 points while Howard was out. The team plays better in front of Mrazek and actually scores more goals too, so that is something to think about. 

You are really grasping at straws if you somehow believe that having Mrazek in net makes the team score more. They play the exact same piss poor system with both goalies. In fact if you compare the games they didnt split because Mrazek was pulled the team allow fewer shots with Howard in net while virtually generating the same amount of shots for. One could say they play that piss poor system better with Howard in net.

Edited December 15, 2016 by GoalieManPat

[kickazz 5,459]

50 minutes ago, wings_fanatic said:

Well then he should go back to Mrazek who got 8 of 10 points while Howard was out. The team plays better in front of Mrazek and actually scores more goals too, so that is something to think about. 

Lol do they really? Because last I checked Mrazek got pulled when we lost 4-1 to the Blue Jackets. Tons of scoring on that one...

Edited December 15, 2016 by kickazz

[NerveDamage 4,176]

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Lol do they really? Because last I checked Mrazek got pulled when we lost 4-1 to the Blue Jackets. Tons of scoring on that one...

I remember that, before Howard got injured they showed a stat in which Petr had more goal support than Jimmy and, back then, he was leading the league in GAA. I'm not saying Petr should play over JImmy, but they cannot be left out to dry like that.

I found this http://thehockeywriters.com/jimmy-howard-needs-help/

"The Red Wings have scored just 18 goals in the 15 games Howard has played, including the one goal against Arizona, which is 1.2 goals per game. In contrast, the Red Wings have scored 46 goals in the 18 games Mrazek has played or a 2.56 goals-per-game mark."

"... It’s almost as if there is more urgency when Mrazek is in net, as the team knows he is 24 and still learning his way around the NHL in his second full season."

 

Edited December 15, 2016 by NerveDamage

[MabusIncarnate 5,359]

32 minutes ago, NerveDamage said:

I remember that, before Howard got injured they showed a stat in which Petr had more goal support than Jimmy and, back then, he was leading the league in GAA. I'm not saying Petr should play over JImmy, but they cannot be left out to dry like that.

I found this http://thehockeywriters.com/jimmy-howard-needs-help/

"The Red Wings have scored just 18 goals in the 15 games Howard has played, including the one goal against Arizona, which is 1.2 goals per game. In contrast, the Red Wings have scored 46 goals in the 18 games Mrazek has played or a 2.56 goals-per-game mark."

"... It’s almost as if there is more urgency when Mrazek is in net, as the team knows he is 24 and still learning his way around the NHL in his second full season."

 

This is nearly identical to my entire train of thought. Howard is the better goaltender right now, I know it, and literally the entire team knows it. There is a confidence and urgency problem. They feel more comfortable that Howard will back them up in a game that they don't have to give their all in and still have a chance to win. With Mrazek in net, they feel like they need to put up more offense to counteract the goals he is going to allow because of his youth and inexperience. 

I think this sums up most of the debate here on the forums and the real-life situation. Most of us are more confident in Howard's play because he's been so much better. It's the same with the team, knowing Howard has been so much better at bailing them out in games than Petr has. As a result, there is more desperation play in front of Mrazek knowing he's very capable of giving up 3-4+ per game. 

So what's the winning formula? Allow more goals and put up more offense, or allow less goals and try to win the tight game? In this respect, I go with Mrazek, the lesser of the two that brings out the greater offense as a result of being unable to steal a game like Howard can. It equals more wins, which gets you to the playoffs, while resulting in a much worse goals against average and being in a situation with a goaltender that currently can't single handedly win regardless of the output. But for the fans, Mrazek, currently as he is, is incapable of holding a team on his back like the NHL elite goaltenders can. 

[shocky2002 36]

3 hours ago, kickazz said:

Lol do they really? Because last I checked Mrazek got pulled when we lost 4-1 to the Blue Jackets. Tons of scoring on that one...

1 game sample size WOW brilliant

[kickazz 5,459]

6 hours ago, shocky2002 said:

1 game sample size WOW brilliant

Thanks!! I appreciate the support!!! <3 <3 <3

 

Edited December 15, 2016 by kickazz
Wanted to add not one but a total of 3 hearts to show shocky2002 just how much I appreciate his support!!!

[kickazz 5,459]

8 hours ago, NerveDamage said:

I remember that, before Howard got injured they showed a stat in which Petr had more goal support than Jimmy and, back then, he was leading the league in GAA. I'm not saying Petr should play over JImmy, but they cannot be left out to dry like that.

I found this http://thehockeywriters.com/jimmy-howard-needs-help/

"The Red Wings have scored just 18 goals in the 15 games Howard has played, including the one goal against Arizona, which is 1.2 goals per game. In contrast, the Red Wings have scored 46 goals in the 18 games Mrazek has played or a 2.56 goals-per-game mark."

"... It’s almost as if there is more urgency when Mrazek is in net, as the team knows he is 24 and still learning his way around the NHL in his second full season."

 

So basically according to that stat, Mrazek has sucked so the team bails him out and Howard is great so the team doesn't put in as much effort. Someone needs to read them that stat in the locker room and slap it in their faces. 

Ok that's what I was saying in the conflict thread 2 weeks ago. Goalie A bailed out by more scoring vs Goalie B not bailed out but performs better. Which one would people rather have as their goalie.

 

Edited December 15, 2016 by kickazz

[NerveDamage 4,176]

So basically according to that stat, Mrazek has sucked so the team bails him out and Howard is great so the team doesn't put in as much effort. Someone needs to read them that stat in the locker room and slap it in their faces. 
Ok that's what I was saying in the conflict thread 2 weeks ago. Goalie A bailed out by more scoring vs Goalie B not bailed out but performs better. Which one would people rather have as their goalie.
 

and if my memory doesn't fail me, I think the year before it was the other way around, Jimmy was getting more goal support than Petr. Remember the game against the Caps, in which Petr had a shutout and we won by just one goal?

Imh, I'd go with the goalie with the hot hand and get the rest of the team to step it up.

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