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Red Wings drop 2 spots, will pick 9th in NHL Draft

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18 minutes ago, Krayzie_Bone said:

I think we could move green. Someone might want him since he only has one year left.

If we are sellers at the deadline,unless he goes through a huge regression there is no doubt in my mind that he could go for a 1st round pick, or at worst a 2nd.

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21 hours ago, frankgrimes said:

You do realize 4ov > 9ov right because that's the most a team finishing with the worst record can fall.  And yes other than Larkin, Mantha and maybe AA (if he becomes more defensive aware and works harder) are worse than you average top 10 pick. There is reason why some guys are picked higher.

Which winning culture? Adding a bunch of patchworks (= what Toronto did under Burke) to maybe make the playoffs no thanks, rather see the kids learn and by doing so get some picks that could help sooner rather than later

I know to some even this season wasn't an eye opener so it's pointless to argue but I would easily trade this roster for the one the Sabres, Leafs, Oilers!!! and even Florida has.

If Dahlin can add a serious amount of muscle and keep his skaing than yes he would be a great pick but in order to get the big price (= if you think it's Dahlin) you need to sink with the kids and NOT sign veterans or trade away prospects and picks just to make the playoffs simple.

It's great that you'd trade our roster for the Leafs' roster. But, tell me: Would you also trade our past ten years for the Leafs' past ten years?

Before you answer, understand a few things.

First, that the Leafs haven't won a damn thing in the past 500 years.

Second, that the Leafs under Shanahan didn't get to where they are now by blowing it all up, trading all the veterans, playing all the kids. In fact, they signed some veterans so that they could flip them for picks at the trade deadline, which would seem to go against your "DON'T SIGN VETERANS. NO VETERANS ALLOWED. ONLY KIDS. THE MORE KIDS YOU HAVE, THE STRONGER YOUR TANK WILL BE AND THE BETTER THE KIDS WILL BECOME. THIS IS SCIENCE" line of reasoning.

Third, the Leafs of the past ten years or so were the ultimate example of a team that isn't a contender but won't admit it and is therefore stuck in no man's land.

Fourth, most of the Leafs' current leaders were acquired when the Leafs were in denial about their situation and were trying to compete for the Cup. They drafted Luke Schenn 5th overall in 2008 and traded him to the Flyers for James van Riemsdyk in 2012. They drafted Nazem Kadri 7th overall in 2009. They drafted Morgan Rielly 5th overall in 2012. They traded for Jake Gardiner (Ducks, 13th overall in 2008) in 2013. You could argue the Leafs began to accept reality in 2014, but there was no "All kids, no veterans" scorched earth tear-down, and they ended up drafting William Nylander 8th overall.

Again, the Wings aren't in a hopeless place. We missed the playoffs for the first time in a quarter century and 9th overall is our highest position since Keith Primeau. Not the pot of gold we'd hoped for, but it's a start. And that's where we are: the beginning stages of a rebuild.

Your take on the situation? "Everything is awful, blow it up, trade all the veterans, play all the kids, forget what's best for the kids' development, forget flipping UFA signings for picks at the deadline, all that matters is having a roster full of kids and getting the best lottery odds. Odds, odds, odds, odds, odds. Buffalo knows what I'm talking about. Toronto knows what I'm taking about. Edmonton knows what I'm talking about. Florida knows what I'm talking about. They all traded their veterans and played all their kids and got awesome lottery odds and got awesome young players and they only had to go through maybe one or two years of pain and now they're all Cup contenders and all their fans are like, 'Yep, it's been pretty awesome for us. Thankfully, we've been blessed with awesome owners and awesome general managers who have consistently done awesome things. We pity you, Wings fans. Truly, we do. You've suffered for so long. You deserve better.'"

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5 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Picking at number 9? This is a good number to pick at. I like this. 

Hmmmm, imagine that, you liking Number9...GordieHowesNumber...still wondering where Superman fits in...

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So I was thinking.

The current narrative is "The Wings must become a team that is hard to play against. To that end, they must get bigger, tougher, more physical."

In terms of forwards, we're actually not necessarily all that far from being "big and hard to play against." In terms of defensemen...well, looking at our top D prospects, it's skill and skating and possession prowess. (Good!)

A part of me wants to live in a reality where Ken Holland has privately gone full mad scientist and is building a Frankenstein's monster: a Godzilla forward group + a Speedy Gonzales defense group.

Klim Kostin, Victor Ejdsell, Givani Smith, Mantha, Nosek, Svechnikov, Abdelkader, Jagr/Hanzal...

Green, Jared Spurgeon, Hronek, Jensen, Hicketts, Cholowski, Saarijarvi...

Crazy? Yes.

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So I was thinking.
The current narrative is "The Wings must become a team that is hard to play against. To that end, they must get bigger, tougher, more physical."
In terms of forwards, we're actually not necessarily all that far from being "big and hard to play against." In terms of defensemen...well, looking at our top D prospects, it's skill and skating and possession prowess. (Good!)
A part of me wants to live in a reality where Ken Holland has privately gone full mad scientist and is building a Frankenstein's monster: a Godzilla forward group + a Speedy Gonzales defense group.
Klim Kostin, Victor Ejdsell, Givani Smith, Mantha, Nosek, Svechnikov, Abdelkader, Jagr/Hanzal...
Green, Jared Spurgeon, Hronek, Jensen, Hicketts, Cholowski, Saarijarvi...
Crazy? Yes.
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First, that won't be next year, even if they trade back where Kostin isn't a huge reach. Most of those kids aren't close to NHL ready. Second, big doesn't mean physical and hard to play against.

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Finesse- Suzuki, Pettersson, Lindgren

Power- Tippett, Hague.

I'm liking Suzuki more and more, if Holland chooses Finesse forward, I hope for Suzuki. Finesse D, Liljegren.

Power forward or D, my choices are well documented.

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2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Finesse- Suzuki, Pettersson, Lindgren

Power- Tippett, Hague.

I'm liking Suzuki more and more, if Holland chooses Finesse forward, I hope for Suzuki. Finesse D, Liljegren.

Power forward or D, my choices are well documented.

Which one is the biggest?

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30 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

First, that won't be next year, even if they trade back where Kostin isn't a huge reach. Most of those kids aren't close to NHL ready. Second, big doesn't mean physical and hard to play against.

Was being facetious.

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47 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said:

Wait, there's actually a player named Suzuki?  I thought this was some bad Taro Tsujimoto joke.  

There's a Suzuki and a Yamamoto both in the draft. Either of which would be fine additions to The Wings.

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Elias Pettersson Draft Profile WIIM

Not a huge fan of WIIM by any means, but it seems we may take this kid at #9

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The second-ranked European skater by the NHL Central Scouting Service, Pettersson oozes potential but will need 2-3 years before he’s able to fully realize it.

NHL comparable: Alexander Wennberg, Henrik Zetterberg

Pettersson is a creative playmaker who possesses superb on-ice vision. He’s got that rare, high end skill which can produce highlight reel plays but also has poise and patience with the puck, especially in one-on-one situations. What separates Pettersson from the pack, at least in my eyes, is his complete 200 foot game. At one end of the ice he’s able to make defenders look foolish with the puck on his stick, and in his own zone he’s fantastic at breaking up opposing offenses and getting into shooting lanes. When you see him play it’s very clear that he “thinks the game at a high level”.

Pettersson’s biggest limiting factors are both related to his weight. While he has decent top speed, he isn’t an explosive skater and will need to improve on this as he continues his development. And second, his balance on his skates, particularly when going up against heavier opponents along the boards, could use some improvement as well. Both are areas that should improve as he adds muscle (he’s already added at least 10 pounds since last year).

Right now, he’s relying almost entirely on his stickwork, agility and puck skills to get the job done. I’d say he’s done pretty well for himself, but he could things to another level if he’s able to add more power to his game. If he’s available at 9, I’d be pretty disappointed if the Wings were to pass on him.

 

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15 hours ago, BobL said:

It's really easy to beat a team that can't stop you from scoring a lot of goals...

 

Really easy?  Yeah...it's a picnic going against a team that can roll three good scoring lines out there. Your 230lb D and F's are going to love chasing after guys they can't keep up with for three periods.

 We need top end C more than we need D.  I like our D prospects...guys like Hronek, Vili and Sambrook.  I'd keep an eye on Holway as well.   If the opportunity arises to come back into the 1st round to snaga guy like Hague..I'd be OK with that.   But I'd much rather go with a C with top six potential at 9

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Z stepped right into the NHL on a fully loaded all-star team. How can he be compared to Z if he needs 2-3 years to develop? Pettersson would be a huge waste of a top 10 pick. 

24 minutes ago, Nondescript_D said:

Really easy?  Yeah...it's a picnic going against a team that can roll three good scoring lines out there. Your 230lb D and F's are going to love chasing after guys they can't keep up with for three periods.

 We need top end C more than we need D.  I like our D prospects...guys like Hronek, Vili and Sambrook.  I'd keep an eye on Holway as well.   If the opportunity arises to come back into the 1st round to snaga guy like Hague..I'd be OK with that.   But I'd much rather go with a C with top six potential at 9

I somewhat agree. I believe we need Tippett more so,  but if he's gone, go with Suzuki. 

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Z stepped right into the NHL on a fully loaded all-star team. How can he be compared to Z if he needs 2-3 years to develop? Pettersson would be a huge waste of a top 10 pick. 


After he played in Sweden a couple years

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