kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Fight me 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, kickazz said: Pokeball is a weird show. I never got into it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: When players only spend 50-60% (much less for some) of even strength time on ice with the same players, I'd say the line blender was going. No he wasn't juggling the same as he usually does, but for someone that said less than 24 hours prior that he's "done playing with lines", I think it was a bit excessive. Where are you pulling those numbers from? Don't seem to jive with the official shift chart from NHL.com: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Buppy said: Where are you pulling those numbers from? Don't seem to jive with the official shift chart from NHL.com http://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_linecombo.php?period=ALL&situation=EV&chkTeamFwd=checkbox&selTeamFwd=DET&games=2017-2018%3AR%3A1&Submit=Show+Line+Combinations&sent=go Those lines were together for 58.9% of even strength time on ice. Individual players range, but like I said, most are anywhere between 50-60%. Some much less, some much more. Athanasiou and Mantha both spent close to 80% of their time together along with Larkin. A team that is not line shuffling, usually spends at least 80% of the time with the same two line mates. So, good to see he's not messing with the kid line too much... yet. I think Blashill is headed in the right direction in limiting line shuffling, but I'd like to see him stop the shuffling altogether. I'd also like slightly different lines, but whatever... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/10/30/16573896/the-red-wings-should-play-joe-hicketts-during-danny-dekeysers-extended-absence-we-know-this-story Agree.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 There is a bromance growing Anthony: "I hope we play on the same line for the rest for the year" Dylan: "... *leans in close* I hope we play on the same line forever" 2 BadgerBob and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: There is a bromance growing Anthony: "I hope we play on the same line for the rest for the year" Dylan: "... *leans in close* I hope we play on the same line forever" The Larkin quote is fake news. He didnt lean in. Edited October 31, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, kickazz said: The Larkin quote is fake news. He didnt lean in. Don't make me use the spongebob meme Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoveMyRedWings56 73 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 Love the AA-Larkin-Mantha line need to keep it around awhile, Or at least until Svechnikov makes the lineup any ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) On 10/29/2017 at 3:32 PM, kickazz said: @DickieDunn who would you rather have for net front presence than Abdelkader. That’s besides the point. The PP strategy Red Wings have includes net front. With that fact said, who would you place in front if net if not Abdelkader on that unit? Is the current system working? Nope. Change it. Abdelkader isn't good enough to do that. The other guys who are big/willing enough aren't suited for it either. The point of having someone there is to generate traffic and screens, there are other, better ways to do that. Doing something that doesn't work for you because that's how you've "always" done it or other people do it that way is asinine. If it doesn't work, change it. Edited October 31, 2017 by DickieDunn 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: Is the current system working? Nope. Change it. Abdelkader isn't good enough to do that. The other guys who are big/willing enough aren't suited for it either. The point of having someone there is to generate traffic and screens, there are other, better ways to do that. Doing something that doesn't work for you because that's how you've "always" done it or other people do it that way is asinine. If it doesn't work, change it. If Larkin is going to be a powerforward he should probably take Abby's spot 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) *rant* I have recently remarked on Larkin's alarming rate of drawing penalties, but perspective is in order. Dylan is 21. He is at the least 4 years away from his prime. He will be damn good if can stay healthy. He's not McDavid or Matthews. They are bigger, stronger and more skilled. However I do believe he belongs to the list just below those hoodlums, and slightly below Jack Eichel on that second tier list if you will. Still a very good pickup. I believe this is the time to let him get his stuff together. He could still rise above Eichel. Think Michael Jordan, considered borderline clinically insane. Which is what is required to reach greatness nowadays. If he has the drive, he'll get it done, barring injuries. So there is still hope. In a fubar way. So, do we care about the cost of what it takes him to reach that? Did we care about the russian five? Or Jordan? They sacrificed almost everything, especially the Red Army russians, and without consent. But in the end greatness is just that. Greatness, visible for all our eyes on the ice. So is there a point to my ramblings? Let the kid show us. He's got 2-3 years until we know what we've got. Something tells me it's gonna be good. Edited October 31, 2017 by Jacksoni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 3 hours ago, DickieDunn said: Is the current system working? Nope. Change it. Abdelkader isn't good enough to do that. The other guys who are big/willing enough aren't suited for it either. The point of having someone there is to generate traffic and screens, there are other, better ways to do that. Doing something that doesn't work for you because that's how you've "always" done it or other people do it that way is asinine. If it doesn't work, change it. I’m asking about who replaces Abby with the current system. PP system not changing. So that’s besides the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 46 minutes ago, kickazz said: I’m asking about who replaces Abby with the current system. PP system not changing. So that’s besides the point. That's the problem. Like Dickie said, it's not working. Change it. Of course we won't though. Because Blashill... err Red Wings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: That's the problem. Like Dickie said, it's not working. Change it. Of course we won't though. Because Blashill... err Red Wings... CHange it to what? Not screen the goalie so he saves all the shots? Every team uses players downlow, it would be stupid not to. Ya’ll just see the name “Abdelkader” and talk s***. 5 on 5 the guy isn’t the best but on the PP he’s actually ome of the few that does a good job. Screen goalie, always on the rebounds, always has stick ready for tipin, and he does one thing not even Holmstrom did, he actually goes to the corners during PP to retrieve pucks and fight defenders off. On top if that his puck cycling is actually good (granted he doesn’t need to do it often). Passes it to the open player and doesn’t cough it up like Nyquist/ Tatar who end up getting outmuscled by the defenders 50% of the time Abdelkader is the least of our problems on PP. His only problem is his last name is Abdelkader and not Larkin or Mantha so, you know, he must be the problem. Edited October 31, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: If Larkin is going to be a powerforward he should probably take Abby's spot Source? And no it can’t be your blind hatred of Blashill Edited October 31, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, kickazz said: Source? And no it can’t be your blind hatred of Blashill It's my blind hatred of Blashill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 25 minutes ago, kickazz said: CHange it to what? Not screen the goalie so he saves all the shots? Every team uses players downlow, it would be stupid not to. Ya’ll just see the name “Abdelkader” and talk s***. 5 on 5 the guy isn’t the best but on the PP he’s actually ome of the few that does a good job. Screen goalie, always on the rebounds, always has stick ready for tipin, and he does one thing not even Holmstrom did, he actually goes to the corners during PP to retrieve pucks and fight defenders off. On top if that his puck cycling is actually good (granted he doesn’t need to do it often). Abdelkader is the least of our problems on PP. His only problem is his last name is Abdelkader and not Larkin or Mantha so, you know, he must be the problem. Not sure if serious?... Do you think all power-play setups have a net front player? Or do you think the only successful power-play setup is to have a net front player? Neither is true. We don't need to use the net front presence. I'd much prefer to use a wide spread (2 men on the point, 2 men down low, and 1 in the slot). The high slot is just as, if not more effective than the net front in my opinion. Regardless, the system we use is not the only system there is to use. It hasn't been working, so why not change it up? Because it worked so well in the past? We don't have a Lidstrom or Holmstrom anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Not sure if serious?... Do you think all power-play setups have a net front player? Or do you think the only successful power-play setup is to have a net front player? Neither is true. We don't need to use the net front presence. I'd much prefer to use a wide spread (2 men on the point, 2 men down low, and 1 in the slot). The high slot is just as, if not more effective than the net front in my opinion. Regardless, the system we use is not the only system there is to use. It hasn't been working, so why not change it up? Because it worked so well in the past? We don't have a Lidstrom or Holmstrom anymore. The non slot guy/net front for one of the units is Abdelkader regardless where he is. Are you not paying attention to my point. I’m asking who replaces Abdelkader downlow since according to Dickie “Abdelkader shouldn’t be on PP”. On top of that I already said, we have the strategy that we do, with a net front guy. That’s set in stone, I don’t care if you agree with it or not, that’s what it is. And being as how it is, if not Abdelkader in that spot, then who? I thought my question was spelled out clearly. Edited October 31, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, kickazz said: The slot guy/net front for one of the units is Abdelkader regardless where he is. Are you not paying attention to my point. I’m asking who replaces Abdelkader on the slot since according to Dickie “Abdelkader shouldn’t be on PP”. On top of that I already said, we have the strategy that we do, with a net front guy. That’s set in stone, I don’t care if you agree with it or not, that’s what it is. And being as how it is, if not Abdelkader in that spot, then who? I thought my question was spelled out clearly. My point was that we should try something else. I thought that was spelled out clearly... I don't care if Abdelkader is on one of the units. In my opinion, the system is more of an issue than the personnel on each unit. Although, Abdelkader probably wouldn't be on either of my units, because I'd prefer to use him on the penalty kill. To answer your question (although not directed at me) I'd go with something like... Zetterberg - Nyquist - Mantha Green - Nielsen Athanasiou - Larkin - Tatar Frk - Daley Nyquist (or Mantha) and Larkin (or Athanasiou) playing high slot (not net front). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: My point was that we should try something else. I thought that was spelled out clearly... I don't care if Abdelkader is on one of the units. In my opinion, the system is more of an issue than the personnel on each unit. Although, Abdelkader probably wouldn't be on either of my units, because I'd prefer to use him on the penalty kill. To answer your question (although not directed at me) I'd go with something like... Zetterberg - Nyquist - Mantha Green - Nielsen Athanasiou - Larkin - Tatar Frk - Daley Nyquist (or Mantha) and Larkin (or Athanasiou) playing high slot (not net front). You're talking about a completely separate issue then so why did you quote me when I'm clearly asking Dickie about Abdelkader? My question is about Abdelkader. 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, kickazz said: You're talking about a completely separate issue then so why did you quote me when I'm clearly asking Dickie about Abdelkader? My question is about Abdelkader. I quoted you because you said the PP system is not going to change. You're likely right that it won't, but I think it should. I didn't say anything about Abdelkader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 1, 2017 I think Abdelkader is better at playing down low or in front of the net, than any of our D-men are at playing the point, besides Green... who will be off the team in 4 months. Is Abby REALLY the problem with our PP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I think Abdelkader is better at playing down low or in front of the net, than any of our D-men are at playing the point, besides Green... who will be off the team in 4 months. Is Abby REALLY the problem with our PP? Far from it, if anything he's actually an asset given the info PVD gave us earlier. Which is why I'm wondering who Dickie would rather have. I'm assuming he just said that because he doesn't like Abby in general. Even if you think Abby is not a top 6 player, doesn't mean he doesn't have to be a PP specialist, there's no hard rule that only top 6 are good enough for PP. If anything the opposite is likely true, in that not all top 6 players are cut out to be PP specialists. We've had plenty of bottom 6 players play and thrive on the PP for decades. Edited November 1, 2017 by kickazz 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, kickazz said: Far from it, if anything he's actually an asset given the info PVD gave us earlier. Which is why I'm wondering who Dickie would rather have. I'm assuming he just said that because he doesn't like Abby in general. Even if you think Abby is not a top 6 player, doesn't mean he doesn't have to be a PP specialist, there's no hard rule that only top 6 are good enough for PP. If anything the opposite is likely true, in that not all top 6 players are cut out to be PP specialists. We've had plenty of bottom 6 players play and thrive on the PP for decades. Yeah, just for further proof: since he's been on the PP regularly, he's been among our top PP goal scorers 16-17: tied for most PP goals (5), 15-16: 4th behind Tats, Ny, and Dats (6) 14-15: tied for 3rd with Dats behind Ny and Tat (8) (hockey-reference.com) I'm sure plenty of these were dirty goals where he's getting rebounds. Maybe he gets pushed off the PP when new prospects come into the picture, but there's a reason he's on there. 2 kickazz and ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
