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Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

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3 minutes ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

Kenny is gunna surprise a lot of fans on this site come the weekend, there will be movement by the Wings , I don’t foresee any FAs coming here (Green poss) so it’ll be mostly roster player movements and pick swaps but he will be active I’m sure of it 

I mean...he is always active kicking tires lol. But no I agree I see at least one trade by the Wings on Friday. Most likely trading up somewhere between 20-28. 

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It's odd to me to see some many references to needing size.  While that may have been true at one point, it really isn't now. We're not noticeably smaller than most other teams, and we've drafted for size since Mantha.  We're actually pretty big going forward.  If anything, I'd say we need more skill. 

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4 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

It's odd to me to see some many references to needing size.  While that may have been true at one point, it really isn't now. We're not noticeably smaller than most other teams, and we've drafted for size since Mantha.  We're actually pretty big going forward.  If anything, I'd say we need more skill. 

This reminds of an article I stumbled across recently:

https://theathletic.com/210035/2018/01/12/sizing-up-the-nhl-2017-18-nhl-teams-by-age-height-and-weight/

NHL average age this season (as of today): 27.1

Wings still have the oldest roster at 28.9

On the other side of things, Detroit and Ottawa are ancient by today’s league standards. Old and bad unfortunately. The Red Wings have eight players who are 30-plus and no one who’s really young beyond 21-year-old Dylan Larkin. There used to be a time that Detroit was always the oldest team and always a Cup favourite.

 

NHL average height this season: 73.1 inches (6-foot-1.1)

Wings are in the  bottom third at 72.8" (6-foot-0.8-inches)

 

NHL average weight this season: 200.7 lbs

Wings are fifth from the bottom at 197.3 lbs

 

NHL average draft position: 64th (in regards to roster players)

Wings are 3rd from the bottom at 87.9

 

The full table of results is here for anyone who is curious:

full-table-of-age-height-weight-draft-po

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2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

This reminds of an article I stumbled across recently:

https://theathletic.com/210035/2018/01/12/sizing-up-the-nhl-2017-18-nhl-teams-by-age-height-and-weight/

NHL average age this season (as of today): 27.1

Wings still have the oldest roster at 28.9

On the other side of things, Detroit and Ottawa are ancient by today’s league standards. Old and bad unfortunately. The Red Wings have eight players who are 30-plus and no one who’s really young beyond 21-year-old Dylan Larkin. There used to be a time that Detroit was always the oldest team and always a Cup favourite.

 

NHL average height this season: 73.1 inches (6-foot-1.1)

Wings are in the  bottom third at 72.8" (6-foot-0.8-inches)

 

NHL average weight this season: 200.7 lbs

Wings are fifth from the bottom at 197.3 lbs

 

NHL average draft position: 64th (in regards to roster players)

Wings are 3rd from the bottom at 87.9

 

The full table of results is here for anyone who is curious:

full-table-of-age-height-weight-draft-po

The size and weight thing should change pretty quickly though given how big our prospects are.  Remove any three smaller forward and replace them with Rasmussen, Svech, and Smith and suddenly we've got one of the bigger forward groups I'm sure. 

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17 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

The size and weight thing should change pretty quickly though given how big our prospects are.  Remove any three smaller forward and replace them with Rasmussen, Svech, and Smith and suddenly we've got one of the bigger forward groups I'm sure. 

Depends on who ur moving out. Replacing E or Wit with those guys wouldn't effect the height or weight average much. Those players would lower the average age considerably tho, which would be appropriate for a rebuilding team.

In regards to average size, TB actually has the smallest overall team in the NHL. Also, subtract Chara from Boston's roster and they become the smallest team. So you are correct in that size isn't everything. Certainly there are situations where it is an advantage, but obviously, skill/talent always trumps size. Uh oh. Did I just make this thread political?

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Just now, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Depends on who ur moving out. Replacing E or Wit with those guys wouldn't effect the height or weight average much. Those players would lower the average age considerably tho, which would be appropriate for a rebuilding team.

In regards to average size, TB actually has the smallest overall team in the NHL. Also, subtract Chara from Boston's roster and they become the smallest team. So you are correct in that size isn't everything. Certainly there are situations where it is an advantage, but obviously, skill/talent always trumps size. Uh oh. Did I just make this thread political?

I mean, the guys most likely to be gone from last year are Booth, Ouellet, and Green, followed by Z and Kronwall in the coming years.  All of those guys are average or below average size for the NHL.  I think we'll get noticeably bigger despite anything that happens at this year's draft.

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3 minutes ago, Datsyukian-Deke said:

Bob McKenzie said on his podcast Zadina might slip out of the top 5. But mainly because C and D prospects have really stepped it up and because of team needs in the top 5.

I mentioned this in a previous post, which is a huge reason I'm saying we shouldn't trade up. Pick best player available at 6, and try to move up after that.

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3 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I mentioned this in a previous post, which is a huge reason I'm saying we shouldn't trade up. Pick best player available at 6, and try to move up after that.

Wasn't it Kris Draper who commented that there's a kid that the Wings staff really likes?

I wonder if this player might be listed at 7th  thru 10th, and possibly Holland moving back, and gaining additional picks to do so, and how their draft strategy would change if certain players slip down the list?

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35 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Wasn't it Kris Draper who commented that there's a kid that the Wings staff really likes?

I wonder if this player might be listed at 7th  thru 10th, and possibly Holland moving back, and gaining additional picks to do so, and how their draft strategy would change if certain players slip down the list?

Yeah, Jesperi Kotkaniemi

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8 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

Kenny is gunna surprise a lot of fans on this site come the weekend, there will be movement by the Wings , I don’t foresee any FAs coming here (Green poss) so it’ll be mostly roster player movements and pick swaps but he will be active I’m sure of it 

I tend to agree with you.

This is our second year outside the playoffs, proving the problem is not a one season anomaly but an actual systemic issue that needs to be addressed.

We've managed to shed some larger contracts (Mrazek, Tatar, and possibly Green) giving us more space to maneuver underneath the cap.

We have excess picks and players rights that can be packaged in deals.

We have 2 major RFAs that need contracts. Which should be motivation enough to do any wheeling and dealing that's necessary.

I think all the conditions are right for a more excitable draft/July than usual.

 

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12 hours ago, kipwinger said:

It's odd to me to see some many references to needing size.  While that may have been true at one point, it really isn't now. We're not noticeably smaller than most other teams, and we've drafted for size since Mantha.  We're actually pretty big going forward.  If anything, I'd say we need more skill. 

We could maybe need some size on defense. Too early yet to know if the kids we got last year will do anything, and Cholo and Hronek are both on the small side. Not that it means we need to draft size at #6, but on the other hand Bouchard at least is certainly one of the most skilled players in the entire draft. Dobson is no slouch in the skill department either. Boqvist seems to have fallen for most of the experts (though I still like him). Hughes seems to be the top guy atm, and I'd love him too, but all four look about as good as you can expect drafting 6th.

5 hours ago, amato said:

The more I read/get excited about the draft, the more I hope we can manage to get another top 10 pick. Picking Zadina/Wahlstrom and Bouchard/Hughes/Dobson is sounding better and better the more I think about it. 

Would be awesome, but trading into the top 10 typically takes a grade A asset. The only ones we have are Larkin and #6. 

Mid to late teens might be doable though, but I'm not sure anyone too good will drop that far. Some good looking players should be there in the 30s. Not much worse looking than the guys projected in the teens in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, Buppy said:

We could maybe need some size on defense. Too early yet to know if the kids we got last year will do anything, and Cholo and Hronek are both on the small side. Not that it means we need to draft size at #6, but on the other hand Bouchard at least is certainly one of the most skilled players in the entire draft. Dobson is no slouch in the skill department either. Boqvist seems to have fallen for most of the experts (though I still like him). Hughes seems to be the top guy atm, and I'd love him too, but all four look about as good as you can expect drafting 6th.

Would be awesome, but trading into the top 10 typically takes a grade A asset. The only ones we have are Larkin and #6. 

Mid to late teens might be doable though, but I'm not sure anyone too good will drop that far. Some good looking players should be there in the 30s. Not much worse looking than the guys projected in the teens in my opinion.

 

Yeah, good points. 

From the looks of the rankings, Boqvist could drop to the teens, similar to when the leafs got Liljegren. Obviously it’ll depend on team need on draft day a little, and how accurate TSN is, but he’s a guy I wouldn’t mind us trading up around 15 spots from 30 to get. 

Agree that there are a lot of exciting picks in the 25-40 range though. But if Zadina ends up sliding to us and that’s who we go with at 6, trading to get Boqvist too would be a pretty solid first round. 

Rasmus Sandin is another solid looking defense prospect ranked in the teens. 

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The thing is, according to a lot of scouts and draft analysts, Kotkaniemi isn't considered a reach at 3 anymore. He's climbed the ranks that much. So if Bergevin is smart (he's not) he should take his guys at 3, rather than trading down and risk losing their chance to draft him.

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4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

The thing is, according to a lot of scouts and draft analysts, Kotkaniemi isn't considered a reach at 3 anymore. He's climbed the ranks that much. So if Bergevin is smart (he's not) he should take his guys at 3, rather than trading down and risk losing their chance to draft him.

Yet it will probably be considered a "reach" if the Wings take him at 6   :ninja:

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9 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

The thing is, according to a lot of scouts and draft analysts, Kotkaniemi isn't considered a reach at 3 anymore. He's climbed the ranks that much. So if Bergevin is smart (he's not) he should take his guys at 3, rather than trading down and risk losing their chance to draft him.

I agree with this 100%. If I'm the Habs GM and I know for sure he's my guy, why risk someone else taking him by trading down? 

Then again, it'd be hilarious to see them trade down and whoever they trade with picking Kotkaniemi at 3  :lol:

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BUF - Dahlin

CAR - Svechnikov

MTL - Kotkaniemi

OTT - Hughes

ARI - Tkatchuk

DET - ...

What do you do? A lot of teams would be calling wanting to trade up for Zadina. Do you take him at 6, or trade back? I'm probably in the minority, but I think I'd trade back, gain another asset and hope for Bouchard at 7-9. Of course it would depend on the return, but for another late 1st / early 2nd, I think it's something you'd have to consider...

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Just now, krsmith17 said:

BUF - Dahlin

CAR - Svechnikov

MTL - Kotkaniemi

OTT - Hughes

ARI - Tkatchuk

DET - ...

What do you do? A lot of teams would be calling wanting to trade up for Zadina. Do you take him at 6, or trade back? I'm probably in the minority, but I think I'd trade back, gain another asset and hope for Bouchard at 7-9. Of course it would depend on the return, but for another late 1st / early 2nd, I think it's something you'd have to consider...

 

Yeah, it depends on the return. I would love Zadina at 6. But picking a couple spots back and adding an early 2nd, while still getting a very good prospect would be hard to pass up. It'll depend on how high the wings are on Zadina vs. whats the best offer for the pick, basically. 

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Just now, krsmith17 said:

BUF - Dahlin

CAR - Svechnikov

MTL - Kotkaniemi

OTT - Hughes

ARI - Tkatchuk

DET - ...

What do you do? A lot of teams would be calling wanting to trade up for Zadina. Do you take him at 6, or trade back? I'm probably in the minority, but I think I'd trade back, gain another asset and hope for Bouchard at 7-9. Of course it would depend on the return, but for another late 1st / early 2nd, I think it's something you'd have to consider...

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Seriously. I just hope Holland doesn't get cute. Take the best player at 6 and make your fancy-pants Holland draft trades later in the 1st round. 

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't think anyone would consider it a reach at 6, but he wouldn't be my first choice. 

I know I know, you want a bif ol' scoop of vanilla, 

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4 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

B

P

A

Seriously. I just hope Holland doesn't get cute. Take the best player at 6 and make your fancy-pants Holland draft trades later in the 1st round. 

I know I know, you want a bif ol' scoop of vanilla

There's no guarantee Holland and his scouts deem Zadina as BPA though. If they believe they can get their guy a couple spots back, why not "get cute"?

No idea what you mean by the bold...

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Just now, krsmith17 said:

There's no guarantee Holland and his scouts deem Zadina as BPA though. If they believe they can get their guy a couple spots back, why not "get cute"?

No idea what you mean by the bold...

Bouchard the Bore. Safe pick. Low risk low reward. Vanilla.

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