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Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

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14 minutes ago, Buppy said:

It's like trying to convince a kid that the new hamster is just as good as the old one. 

@The 91 of Ryans we appreciate the effort, but it's just not the same. 

Also, composite rankings:

Filip Zadina 3.06
Brady Tkachuk 5.24
Oliver Wahlstrom 6.65
Quinton Hughes 6.88
Adam Boqvist 7.41
Noah Dobson 9.29
Evan Bouchard 9.59
Jesperi Kotkaniemi 11.00

Maybe the best top-10 we've seen since...I don't know...before the Wings were bad enough to bother looking at the top-10.

Watch, like seven of them are going to bust now.

 

Don't patronize me!

At least I have a pulse...

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14 hours ago, Buppy said:

We could maybe need some size on defense. Too early yet to know if the kids we got last year will do anything, and Cholo and Hronek are both on the small side. Not that it means we need to draft size at #6, but on the other hand Bouchard at least is certainly one of the most skilled players in the entire draft. Dobson is no slouch in the skill department either. Boqvist seems to have fallen for most of the experts (though I still like him). Hughes seems to be the top guy atm, and I'd love him too, but all four look about as good as you can expect drafting 6th.

 

I agree with the "could maybe" part.  Assuming most of the guys we drafted late last year (many of whom were gigantic), we're still looking at Cholowski who's up to 6'2 and over 200 lbs, Sambrook (6'2, 200), Sulak (6'2, 200), Lindstrom (6'2, 200), some of these are projections of course.  Hronek, Hicketts, and Saarijarvi are smaller for sure though.  While that first set of guys aren't huge, they're all above average by NHL standards.  I'm definitely not opposed to taking a bigger defenseman, espacially with our late 1st or early 2nd rounders, I don't know that we're so small on the back end that size needs to be a priority with our early 1st.  I'd still much rather we take someone with elite level offensive upside. 

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2 minutes ago, Buppy said:

It's like trying to convince a kid that the new hamster is just as good as the old one. 

@The 91 of Ryans we appreciate the effort, but it's just not the same. 

Also, composite rankings:

Filip Zadina 3.06
Brady Tkachuk 5.24
Oliver Wahlstrom 6.65
Quinton Hughes 6.88
Adam Boqvist 7.41
Noah Dobson 9.29
Evan Bouchard 9.59
Jesperi Kotkaniemi 11.00

Maybe the best top-10 we've seen since...I don't know...before the Wings were bad enough to bother looking at the top-10.

Watch, like seven of them are going to bust now.

 

It's settled, we're taking the Tkachuk brat

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He's already got the smug "I'm gonna cross-check Drew Doughty in the face" look down

Why Keith? Why did you have to raise your boys to be evil??

Anyway, I'm sure he'll fit right in

 

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41 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I agree with the "could maybe" part.  Assuming most of the guys we drafted late last year (many of whom were gigantic), we're still looking at Cholowski who's up to 6'2 and over 200 lbs, Sambrook (6'2, 200), Sulak (6'2, 200), Lindstrom (6'2, 200), some of these are projections of course.  Hronek, Hicketts, and Saarijarvi are smaller for sure though.  While that first set of guys aren't huge, they're all above average by NHL standards.  I'm definitely not opposed to taking a bigger defenseman, espacially with our late 1st or early 2nd rounders, I don't know that we're so small on the back end that size needs to be a priority with our early 1st.  I'd still much rather we take someone with elite level offensive upside. 

Sambrook is no longer Red Wings property, and will re-enter the draft.

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13 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Sambrook is no longer Red Wings property, and will re-enter the draft.

They've decided they're not going to sign him?  I just had heard they needed to before training camp.

Edit:  Looks like you're right.  Hmmm. Oh well, must be he stalled.  I really hadn't watched him or anything.

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

They've decided they're not going to sign him?  I just had heard they needed to before training camp.

Edit:  Looks like you're right.  Hmmm. Oh well, must be he stalled.  I really hadn't watched him or anything.

Yeah, I was hopeful he'd develop into a solid bottom pairing defenseman, and was kind of surprised to see the organization give up on him so early. Disappointing, but probably not a huge loss.

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This is how we do it
It's Friday night, and I feel alright
The party is here on the West side
So I reach for my 40 and I turn it up
Designated driver take the keys to my truck
Hit the shore 'cause I'm faded
Honeys in the street say, "Monty, yo we made it!"
It feels so good in my hood tonight
The summertime skirts and the guys in Kani
All the gang bangers forgot about the drive-by
You gotta get your groove on, before you go get paid
So tip up your cup and throw your hands up
And let me hear the party say
I'm kinda buzzed and it's all because
(This is how we do it)
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4 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Don't patronize me!

At least I have a pulse...

Is that a dead hamster joke? Sicko.

 

4 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I agree with the "could maybe" part.  Assuming most of the guys we drafted late last year (many of whom were gigantic), we're still looking at Cholowski who's up to 6'2 and over 200 lbs, Sambrook (6'2, 200), Sulak (6'2, 200), Lindstrom (6'2, 200), some of these are projections of course.  Hronek, Hicketts, and Saarijarvi are smaller for sure though.  While that first set of guys aren't huge, they're all above average by NHL standards.  I'm definitely not opposed to taking a bigger defenseman, espacially with our late 1st or early 2nd rounders, I don't know that we're so small on the back end that size needs to be a priority with our early 1st.  I'd still much rather we take someone with elite level offensive upside. 

I should correct myself; no, we don't need size but it would be nice to have some more.

More importantly is that I think Bouchard does have elite offensive upside. Like Brent Burns if all goes well, Weber-level the more conservative peak, and Boychuk at the low end. Hughes seems like he'll be more dependent on his teammates and the system he's in, but I'd predict a somewhat similar range in scoring: 30-70 pts. Dobson is probably the guy with the least offensive skill, like 50-ish pts peak but pairing that with the best all-around game. If I had to choose I'd still go with Boqvist due to his age, but I think they all look great and could all be elite players. 

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:
This is how we do it
It's Friday night, and I feel alright
The party is here on the West side
So I reach for my 40 and I turn it up
Designated driver take the keys to my truck
Hit the shore 'cause I'm faded
Honeys in the street say, "Monty, yo we made it!"
It feels so good in my hood tonight
The summertime skirts and the guys in Kani
All the gang bangers forgot about the drive-by
You gotta get your groove on, before you go get paid
So tip up your cup and throw your hands up
And let me hear the party say
I'm kinda buzzed and it's all because
(This is how we do it)

Nice. 

This is more what I'm feelin

 

Edited by The 91 of Ryans

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You should never draft for size, but all else being equal, I'll take the bigger guy every time. Hughes and Bouchard don't really have many similarities in style of play, but in overall potential, I think they're on the same level. I think Bouchard has the better chance of reaching his ceiling because of the size advantage. Just my personal opinion.

Craig Button is echoing the same sentiment as McKenzie along with many other draft analysts. The disparity between players ranked from 3 to around 7 or so is so minimal that he believes teams in that range could be putting more weight into positional need, and thinks Detroit will take one of Hughes, Dobson or Bouchard.

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12 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Yeah, I was hopeful he'd develop into a solid bottom pairing defenseman, and was kind of surprised to see the organization give up on him so early. Disappointing, but probably not a huge loss.

Another Wings D prospect flameout. Keep up the great work, scouts.

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17 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

https://theathletic.com/398013/2018/06/19/corey-pronmans-2018-nhl-mock-draft-who-goes-after-rasmus-dahlin/

Pronman just came out with his mock draft and has us taking Evan Bouchard and Isac Lundestrom in the first round.

Yup. And Chris Peters from ESPN has them taking Hughes. 

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