Rumors Thread

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

16 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

Vegas making the Finals in year one would be interesting

'96 Panthers?

[kliq 3,763]

6 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

'96 Panthers?

That would have to be the closet comparable since expansion began again in 1991. That was their 3rd season.

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4 minutes ago, kliq said:

That would have to be the closet comparable since expansion began again in 1991. That was their 3rd season.

'67 Blues? Although they don't really count since all the expansion teams were put in the same conference I believe.

[kliq 3,763]

3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

'67 Blues? Although they don't really count since all the expansion teams were put in the same conference I believe.

Ya that's why I didn't mention them. Weren't they killed in the finals?

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http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-flames-red-wings-penguins-kings-canucks-mikko-koivu-minnesota-wild/2018/01/01/

Jason Mackey: Penguins GM Jim Rutherford and Red Wings GM Ken Holland had dinner together yesterday at Little Caesars Arena.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, Dabura said:

http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-flames-red-wings-penguins-kings-canucks-mikko-koivu-minnesota-wild/2018/01/01/

Jason Mackey: Penguins GM Jim Rutherford and Red Wings GM Ken Holland had dinner together yesterday at Little Caesars Arena.

Hornqvist will be UFA. Pipe dreams tho. Conversation is prolly something like "no take backs" or "Indian giver" or something like that.

I'm calling a Nyquist to Pens trade. I have nothing to back that up.

Edited January 1, 2018 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Hornqvist will be UFA. Pipe dreams tho. [ . . . . ] I'm calling a Nyquist to Pens trade. I have nothing to back that up.

I wan't no part of Hornqvist, unless it's just a salary balance. I'm kind of afraid that the Wings are going to target him in the summer, because grit and net-front and Sweden and Cups. mehhh...

I do think Nyquist could be in play, if not with Pittsburgh then any number of other teams. He's playing well lately and his contract isn't too bad and a bunch of teams need some scoring punch in their top six.

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Conversation is prolly something like "no take backs" or "Indian giver" or something like that.

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32 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I wan't no part of Hornqvist, unless it's just a salary balance. I'm kind of afraid that the Wings are going to target him in the summer, because grit and net-front and Sweden and Cups. mehhh...

I do think Nyquist could be in play, if not with Pittsburgh then any number of other teams. He's playing well lately and his contract isn't too bad and a bunch of teams need some scoring punch in their top six.

I actually think Nyquist could have a huge resurgence in Pittsburgh. If they slotted him on the second line and paired him with Malkin, we could easily see him hit his ceiling. I would offer Nyquist to Pit for their 2018 1st rounder. 

Here is the dream scenario: Pittsburgh some how dont make the playoffs, win the lottery and we essentially get Dahlin for Nyquist! AND we get the second pick as well and take Svechnikov. We go into next year with those two, Larkin, Mantha, and AA as our core. Surplus in Wing? Trade one for a potentially elite C or D. Ya Ya, I know, never going to happen, but please let me dream lol.

Edited January 1, 2018 by kliq

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2 minutes ago, kliq said:

I actually think Nyquist could have a huge resurgence in Pittsburgh. If they slotted him on the second line and paired him with Malkin, we could easily see him hit is ceiling. I would offer Nyquist to Pit for their 2018 1st rounder. 

Here is the dream scenario: Pittsburgh some how dont make the playoffs, win the lottery and we essentially get Dahlin for Nyquist! AND we get the second pick as well and take Svechnikov. We go into next year with those two, Larkin, Mantha, and AA as our core. Surplus in Wing? Trade one for a potentially elite C or D. Ya Ya, I know, never going to happen, but please let me dream lol.

Yes plz!

[krsmith17 7,191]

4 hours ago, Dabura said:

http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-flames-red-wings-penguins-kings-canucks-mikko-koivu-minnesota-wild/2018/01/01/

Jason Mackey: Penguins GM Jim Rutherford and Red Wings GM Ken Holland had dinner together yesterday at Little Caesars Arena.

Sheahan for a 2nd to get us back in the playoff hunt...

3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Hornqvist will be UFA. Pipe dreams tho. Conversation is prolly something like "no take backs" or "Indian giver" or something like that.

I'm calling a Nyquist to Pens trade. I have nothing to back that up.

I'd be okay with this. Although, I'd personally prefer to move Tatar over Nyquist.

[Dabura 12,232]

45 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Sheahan for a 2nd to get us back in the playoff hunt...

DON'T GIVE HIM ANY IDEAS

[Dabura 12,232]

2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I'd be okay with this. Although, I'd personally prefer to move Tatar over Nyquist.

Tatar's contract probably makes him a tougher sell, unless we're sweetening the deal in some significant way.

Then again, I was saying just a couple of weeks ago that Nyquist's trade value is very low, and now I'm not so sure that's the case. Points being: 1) I am kind of full of s***, and 2) a lot can change in a very short span of time. So who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

9 hours ago, Dabura said:

I wan't no part of Hornqvist, unless it's just a salary balance. I'm kind of afraid that the Wings are going to target him in the summer, because grit and net-front and Sweden and Cups. mehhh...

I do think Nyquist could be in play, if not with Pittsburgh then any number of other teams. He's playing well lately and his contract isn't too bad and a bunch of teams need some scoring punch in their top six.

1st bold:Why not? He's a slightly better secondary scorer that Nyquist or Tatar. He's a little older, but he's a right-handed shot. He'll probably get like a 5x5 deal tho, so maybe not.

2nd bold: I'd be more worried about Nash TBH.

3rd bold: Exactly why I think he gets traded.

[krsmith17 7,191]

13 hours ago, Dabura said:

Tatar's contract probably makes him a tougher sell, unless we're sweetening the deal in some significant way.

Then again, I was saying just a couple of weeks ago that Nyquist's trade value is very low, and now I'm not so sure that's the case. Points being: 1) I am kind of full of s***, and 2) a lot can change in a very short span of time. So who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree that Nyquist's contract may be easier to move, but his NTC also kicked in this year, so he would have to okay any potential trade. Tatar's NTC doesn't kick in until next season, so that's just another reason I'd like to move him now. It doesn't matter because Holland isn't going to trade either. In fact, I'd be shocked if he trades anyone besides Green, and that's not even a guarantee... He may also sell low on Mrazek, which I think would be a mistake, but whatever.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

Salary dump only. Acquire draft picks. 

[kickazz 5,459]

37 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

He may also sell low on Mrazek, which I think would be a mistake, but whatever.

Not sure anyone even wants Mrazek. But I’ll take any salary dump. 

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1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Salary dump only. Acquire draft picks. 

Nyquist wouldn't be a salary dump, he's to valuable. Trading him would only be if we got a good return.

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Not sure anyone even wants Mrazek. But I’ll take any salary dump. 

I believe there are teams that would be interested in Mrazek, despite what happened with the expansion draft. To sell low on him (or any player for that matter) would be a mistake in my opinion. He's still relatively young and the potential is still there. I'd like to see him given a string of starts this season to see what he can do. We literally have nothing to lose in doing so, and potentially a lot to gain.

The way I see it, giving him some more starts could play out any of three ways... 1. He continues to be inconsistent and is unable to return to form from a couple years ago, and we let him walk this summer. Great, we improve our lottery odds, and get rid of a bad contract. 2. He finds his game again, we re-sign him to a new deal this summer. Great, we have our goalie for the future. 3. He finds his game again, we still decide to move on and go with Howard. Great, we get a much better return for him at the deadline (or draft).

[kickazz 5,459]

2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I believe there are teams that would be interested in Mrazek, despite what happened with the expansion draft. To sell low on him (or any player for that matter) would be a mistake in my opinion. He's still relatively young and the potential is still there. I'd like to see him given a string of starts this season to see what he can do. We literally have nothing to lose in doing so, and potentially a lot to gain.

The way I see it, giving him some more starts could play out any of three ways... 1. He continues to be inconsistent and is unable to return to form from a couple years ago, and we let him walk this summer. Great, we improve our lottery odds, and get rid of a bad contract. 2. He finds his game again, we re-sign him to a new deal this summer. Great, we have our goalie for the future. 3. He finds his game again, we still decide to move on and go with Howard. Great, we get a much better return for him at the deadline (or draft).

For #1 that won’t happen. Plus I’d rather just lose games while keeping that winning chance so the youngsters are still motivated to work hard. Putting in a goalie that lets in 4-5 goals a game is simply going to bring down the team morale.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

Ya, I mean no trading players for players unless they're prospects. We aren't a Cup team missing a piece or two. We need to dump salary and acquire kids and picks. Acquiring any top D would cost us one of our kids AND our 1st. No thank you. We may not get the #1 overall, but odds are, if we're looking D, we're getting one of Dahlin, Boqvist or Hughes, any if which will be our top guy on D. Get multi 1sts and even more 2nds if we can. This draft is Great with talent.

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11 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

1st bold:Why not? He's a slightly better secondary scorer that Nyquist or Tatar. He's a little older, but he's a right-handed shot. He'll probably get like a 5x5 deal tho, so maybe not.

2nd bold: I'd be more worried about Nash TBH.

3rd bold: Exactly why I think he gets traded.

Hornqvist is 31 and slow and beat-up and I don't think he makes us better in any meaningful away. Also, he's a dirty POS. I wouldn't want him on even a one-year deal. If there's an open spot on the wing, give it to a kid. We have the oldest roster in the league; it's time to get serious about getting younger, IMO.

Having said all of that...I'm legit worried about Rick Nash. I'd take him over Honrqvist, but I wouldn't want him on a big long-term deal.

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34 minutes ago, kickazz said:

For #1 that won’t happen. Plus I’d rather just lose games while keeping that winning chance so the youngsters are still motivated to work hard. Putting in a goalie that lets in 4-5 goals a game is simply going to bring down the team morale.

What won't happen?

So you're saying the team feels they have a chance with Howard in net, but not with Mrazek in net? I don't buy that at all. And Mrazek doesn't let in "4-5 goals a game". See GAA...

I think you dislike Mrazek so much that you'd rather lose with Howard than lose with Mrazek.

I'm not here to have a goalie debate, I'm just debating the best way to handle the goalie situation as it is right now. In my opinion, Mrazek should be getting more starts. Not because I think Mrazek is better, but because whether people want to admit it or not, he is still somewhat of an unknown at this point, and we should be trying to figure out exactly what Petr Mrazek is before this season ends. Unless of course, management have completely given up on him, and are fine with letting him walk for nothing in the offseason. That I disagree with, but whatever. Mrazek could prove to be a complete bust, or he could prove to be worth a higher return in a trade or worth a qualifying offer this summer.

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17 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Hornqvist is 31 and slow and beat-up and I don't think he makes us better in any meaningful away. Also, he's a dirty POS. I wouldn't want him on even a one-year deal. If there's an open spot on the wing, give it to a kid. We have the oldest roster in the league; it's time to get serious about getting younger, IMO.

Having said all of that...I'm legit worried about Rick Nash. I'd take him over Honrqvist, but I wouldn't want him on a big long-term deal.

I don't care for Hornqvist either way, but I never really seen him as a dirty player. Is he?

The bold I completely agree with though. I don't want to sign or trade for any mid-tier players. We should only be looking to sign or trade high-end players or prospects that have the potential to be high-end players. And yes, we definitely need to get younger over the next couple years.

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Just now, krsmith17 said:

I don't care for Hornqvist either way, but I never really seen him as a dirty player. Is he?

Sneaky dirty. I mean, he's a Penguin and former Predator, so I'm biased. But I've seen enough crap from him over the years that I feel comfortable calling him dirty.

[kickazz 5,459]

55 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

What won't happen?

So you're saying the team feels they have a chance with Howard in net, but not with Mrazek in net? I don't buy that at all. And Mrazek doesn't let in "4-5 goals a game". See GAA...

I think you dislike Mrazek so much that you'd rather lose with Howard than lose with Mrazek.

I'm not here to have a goalie debate, I'm just debating the best way to handle the goalie situation as it is right now. In my opinion, Mrazek should be getting more starts. Not because I think Mrazek is better, but because whether people want to admit it or not, he is still somewhat of an unknown at this point, and we should be trying to figure out exactly what Petr Mrazek is before this season ends. Unless of course, management have completely given up on him, and are fine with letting him walk for nothing in the offseason. That I disagree with, but whatever. Mrazek could prove to be a complete bust, or he could prove to be worth a higher return in a trade or worth a qualifying offer this summer.

First bold - your #1 won't happen

Second bold - I'm not saying the team feels anything. I'm saying that's EXACTLY what it is. The team statistically has a better chance with Howard because Howard has the better GAA. Oh my bad I should change 4-5 goals to 4 goals. 3.67 GAA rounded up. 

Third bold - Don't act like you know, you have lots of issues understanding people's context. If you think I dislike Mrazek than you've suck at abstract thinking. I  actually have zero issues with Mrazek. What I do have issues with is people talking down on Jimmy Howard and talking up Mrazek. I also have issues with people overhyping players. I thought you caught on to that by now. 

I want the team to lose for higher draft chances sure, but I also want them to have a legit chance at these games so the young forwards can keep pushing. Having the goalie that somewhat keeps them in the game is the better chance. Who gives a f*** about Mrazek as long as all of Larkin, Mantha, AA, Bertuzzi keep playing to win. As long as Jimmy provides them hope, Larkin etc will keep playing their best rather than getting complacent. 

Edited January 2, 2018 by kickazz