Rumors Thread

[bIueadams 776]

1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

Not that I've seen so far. I do see that DeBrusk has had two pretty bad seasons in a row so you'd have to think the asking price is at an all time low despite his really solid production the three years before that.

I don't really know anything about this guy, except that when I look at his highlights I immediately recognize how many of his points come from deflections and rebounds. Seems like he'd be a good get for that alone.

Thought I heard Jack Edwards mention something about DeBrusk being "very strong" last night. I took that to mean he can shove his way to the front of the net like you're suggesting with deflects and rebounds.

https://nesn.com/2021/11/taylor-hall-shares-what-jake-debrusk-told-bruins-teammates-amid-trade-request/

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“He talked to us this morning,” teammate Taylor Hall said after the game.

“He just said, ‘I love you guys. This is something in my career that you know I’m at a crossroads,’ and he’s gonna have to do. But he’s not a distraction at all. It’s almost better that it’s out there, you know, you have a day to kind of digest that and Jake’s a great kid. He’s got a lot of skill and he’s gonna have a good career in this league. And as a group, as an organization, I think you deal with those distractions head on and and you just go play the game and that’s the culture. That’s the model that we have and whoever’s in you got to play well. That’s what we said this morning. We expect Jake to play as well as he can, even under the circumstances.”

 

30 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Red Wings are on of many team rumored to be interested in Jake DeBrusk: https://www.thefourthperiod.com/dec-2021/several-teams-interested-in-debrusk#.Yaeq1LpJEfQ.twitter

That's mostly teams out of playoffs that are interested. Probs indicating Boston wants roster players in return. Good news on our chances I guess. I wouldn't mind flipping a pending UFA to try him out.

[bIueadams 776]

The response I've gotten from Bruins fans on needs is this, in this order:

1. 2C to play with Taylor Hall
2. Depth scoring at wing on the 2nd and 3rd line, guys who work hard and can chip one in now and then (Fabbri or Names?)
3. Dman to play the #1 LHD spot (Leddy?)

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

6 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

The response I've gotten from Bruins fans on needs is this, in this order:

1. 2C to play with Taylor Hall
2. Depth scoring at wing on the 2nd and 3rd line, guys who work hard and can chip one in now and then (Fabbri or Names?)
3. Dman to play the #1 LHD spot (Leddy?)

For Debrusk, the only reasonable ask on this list is #2

[bIueadams 776]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

For Debrusk, the only reasonable ask on this list is #2

One Bboy told me Leddy seemed to hit a wall at the end of last season with the Islanders and he looked broken. Would only want if we ate salary on him and/or took someone like Haula back.

Can't say I haven't been underwhelmed by Leddy this season...

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

3 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

One Bboy told me Leddy seemed to hit a wall at the end of last season with the Islanders and he looked broken. Would only want if we ate salary on him and/or took someone like Haula back.

Can't say I haven't been underwhelmed by Leddy this season...

To clarify. I wasn't saying Leddy for Debrusk was unreasonable. I was saying #1 LHD man for Debrusk was an unreasonale ask. Same with 2C. 

Imagine asking for Hannafin or Robert Thomas for a Fabbri type.....

Bruins fans be CRAY

Edited December 1, 2021 by The 91 of Ryans

[bIueadams 776]

7 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

To clarify. I wasn't saying Leddy for Debrusk was unreasonable. I was saying #1 LHD man for Debrusk was an unreasonale ask. Same with 2C. 

Imagine asking for Hannafin or Robert Thomas for a Fabbri type.....

Bruins fans be CRAY

Yeah I think they were just clarifying the teams needs for me. Obviously they won't be getting a #1 D for DeBrusk alone.

 

[Akakabuto 1,833]

23 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

The response I've gotten from Bruins fans on needs is this, in this order:

1. 2C to play with Taylor Hall
2. Depth scoring at wing on the 2nd and 3rd line, guys who work hard and can chip one in now and then (Fabbri or Names?)
3. Dman to play the #1 LHD spot (Leddy?)

1. No. Doesnt have one to give.
2. Yes. Erne
3. Yes. Leddy

[bIueadams 776]

Big trade. Ready:

To DET: Debrusk + Haula + Moore + 1st + 2nd + 3rd
To BOS: Leddy (50%) + Namestnikov + Fabbri

Cap for either team remains basically unchanged.

They get Fabbri to replace DeBrusk, we get an RFA controlled DeBrusk instead of pending UFA Fabbri

We get a 1st for Leddy at 50%.

We get an additional 2nd and 3rd for them dumping Moore and Haula on us and getting Names. (Names went for 4th rounders in the past)

We'd obviously be going straight back into tank mode.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

XJake DeBrusk's last contract paid him 3.6 AAV. He is 25 and 0.53 P/GP middle six winger. He is still a RFA after this season. 

Fabbri's contract is a 2.95 AAV. He is also 25, and 0.49 P/GP middle six winger. He is an UFA after this season.

Namestnikov's contract is 2.0 AAV. He is 29 and a 0.44 P/GP mostly bottom six forward. He is an UFA after this season.

It's going to take more than Fabbri or Namestnikov to pry DeBrusk away from a division rival. SY would have to throw in at least a decent draft pick or trade with a roster player under contract after this season.

 

[kipwinger 8,703]

Just a thought I had but, Minnesota is really up against it this year. They're good enough to make the playoffs, and maybe even make splash, but they really can't take on any salary and actually need to shed a bunch of salary by next year because of the Parise and Suter buyouts. So..

To Minn: Leddy (50% retained)

To Det: Dumba (No money retained) and Marat Khusnutdinov

This should appeal to Minnesota because A) they'll replace Dumba's offense and have 3.5 million more to add another piece should they choose to, B) Moving Dumba (and letting Leddy walk in the offseason) alleviates their cap issues next year by 6 million, C) They'd only be losing their 2nd best center prospect.

It should appeal to Detroit because A) We'd get a top end center prospect (Leading the KHL in U20 scoring), and B) We could turn around and flip Dumba for additional pieces this year or next.

Edit: Or do the some to Edmonton

Edm: Leddy (50% retained)

Det: Tyson Barrie + Dylan Holloway

Edited December 1, 2021 by kipwinger

[bIueadams 776]

In general I like our trade pieces this year. I think it will be an exciting deadline.

Leddy isn't what he was, but he's young and fresh enough off good seasons that I think we're gonna at least get our 2nd back if not sucker someone into 1st level compensation.

Fabbri should get low 1st or 2nd level compensation.

Names is playing his balls off right when we need him to. Maybe as high as a 3rd?

Couple Bruins fans mentioned they really liked Staal (granted he scored last night).

Stecher should fetch some depth drafting.

DK is the only one with the headache contract.

If we were to trade them all we're going to go into next season with a boat load of money and picks again, but this time with nothing significantly bad on the books. I don't know how SY couldn't pursue at least one big name. We just got a lot more attractive with Seider and Raymond.

[Akakabuto 1,833]

29 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

XJake DeBrusk's last contract paid him 3.6 AAV. He is 25 and 0.53 P/GP middle six winger. He is still a RFA after this season. 

DeBrusk aint a 0.5ppg right now. Thats why Boston is willing to accodommate his trade request. And with a coach not willing to give him any chances they are selling low.

Not really that interested in him to be honest but if you dont have to give up too much it could be a good trade. He has scored a good amount of goals in the past and he can find opportunity here to bounce back.

[kipwinger 8,703]

I really don't want picks as the center part of these trades though. At a certain point you have to start building and not trading anything that's not nailed down for guys who may or may not be any good 3-4 years down the road (typical timeline for late 1st/2nd round picks). I'd rather we look to established young guys who are on teams that are either A) up against the cap and need to offer better returns for cap relief, or B) too deep to give these guys a bigger role.

I think Yzerman likes Larkin, Bert, Fabbri, and (maybe) Vrana and Hronek as the older leadership group on the team. As good as we've played this year I don't see him moving any of these guys. I can envision a world in which we're competing for Cups with the guys mentioned above as our 28-31 year old veteran leaders and Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and Cossa are our stud young guns. But we still need to add a center who fits one of the two age groups.

Edited December 1, 2021 by kipwinger

[Akakabuto 1,833]

10 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I think Yzerman likes Larkin, Bert, Fabbri, and (maybe) Vrana and Hronek as the older leadership group on the team. As good as we've played this year I don't see him moving any of these guys. I can envision a world in which we're competing for Cups with the guys mentioned above as our 28-31 year old veteran leaders and Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and Cossa are our stud young guns. But we still need to add a center who fits one of the two age groups.

Ideally I’d like Yzerman to find a LHD to fit with older group and of course a center for the younger. 

[kipwinger 8,703]

15 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Ideally I’d like Yzerman to find a LHD to fit with older group and of course a center for the younger. 

To Minnesota: Leddy, Veleno, 2022 1st Round Pick

To Detroit: Dumba, Zuccarello, Marco Rossi

THEN:

To Colorado: Dumba (50% retained), Zuccarello (50% retained) + 3rd

To Det: Samuel Girard

 

Bert-Larkin-Raymond

Zadina-Rossi-Vrana

Fabbri-Suter-Berggren

Erne-Ras-Pearson

 

Edvinssson-Hronek

Girardi-Seider

Wallinder/Johansson/Buium - Lindstrom

 

Ned/Cossa

Edited December 1, 2021 by kipwinger

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

33 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

To Minnesota: Leddy, Veleno, 2022 1st Round Pick

To Detroit: Dumba, Zuccarello, Marco Rossi

THEN:

To Colorado: Dumba (50% retained), Zuccarello (50% retained) + 3rd

To Det: Samuel Girard

 

Bert-Larkin-Raymond

Zadina-Rossi-Vrana

Fabbri-Suter-Berggren

Erne-Ras-Pearson

 

Edvinssson-Hronek

Girardi-Seider

Wallinder/Johansson/Buium - Lindstrom

 

Ned/Cossa

Dont know if Dumba could be had for the first part of that deal.

[kipwinger 8,703]

2 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Dont know if Dumba could be had for the first part of that deal.

They've wanted to trade him for years, and now with the Parise and Suter buyouts they're going to be desperate to shed money. Clearing 12 million for next season between Dumba and Zuc is incentive enough. Not to mention they've already got a ton of defensive talent on the books. I genuinely believe these deals would benefit all involved.

Minnesota gets cap relief they desperately need and a serviceable young roster player with some upside. It will cost them one really good young prospect but they get  our 1st (somewhere between 12-16th overall) to make it easier to swallow the pill. As bad as their cap situation is the next few years I think they'd honestly do this without Leddy but I'm adding him to make up for Dumba's lost points.

Colorado gets two good players who are under contract for two year to help them win now and it only costs them a player they want to trade anyway.

Detroit gets a 2C and top four LD (powerplay QB too) and all it costs us is some cash (6 million for two years), a mid round 1st, and a young depth player with question marks surrounding his upside.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

I dont think there's any way Minny trades away Rossi. 

[kipwinger 8,703]

1 minute ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I dont think there's any way Minny trades away Rossi. 

Admittedly it's a hard sell, but with Khusnutdinov playing well it's not leaving their cupboards completely bare at center. Plus they'd be getting a center back (Veleno) and another 1st in a center heavy draft.

It would all come down to how badly their ownership wants to offset the costs of the Parise and Suter buyouts. They're going to be taking a bath on this for the next 3-4 years and 12 million is a lot of money. Maybe enough money that it makes losing Rossi palatable.

[bIueadams 776]

I really would like to get Rossi. He's merc'in the AHL right now as a rookie midget with a heart condition. Kid can skate score and defend way beyond most at his level. I just think he factors into Minnys plans to cut cost over the next 3-4 years and will be untouchable.

 

[Akakabuto 1,833]

16 hours ago, kipwinger said:

To Minnesota: Leddy, Veleno, 2022 1st Round Pick

To Detroit: Dumba, Zuccarello, Marco Rossi

THEN:

To Colorado: Dumba (50% retained), Zuccarello (50% retained) + 3rd

To Det: Samuel Girard

I am terrible at evaluating trade proposals as the absolute majority of trades that do happen around the league makes no sense to me. All I know is Yzerman trade= good trade. But essentially Leddy, Veleno and a 1st for Rossi and Girard looks too good to actually happen to me. 

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Akakabuto

[F.Michael 4,590]

15 hours ago, bIueadams said:

I really would like to get Rossi. He's merc'in the AHL right now as a rookie midget with a heart condition. Kid can skate score and defend way beyond most at his level. I just think he factors into Minnys plans to cut cost over the next 3-4 years and will be untouchable.

 

How'd he get that 'heart condition'?

[bIueadams 776]

4 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

How'd he get that 'heart condition'?

When he got Covid they found it. He's one of those cases where he went to the doctor for something minor - luckily - and they found something major. He was born with an irregular heart beat or something.

Edited December 2, 2021 by bIueadams

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

7 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

When he got Covid they found it. He's one of those cases where he went to the doctor for something minor - luckily - and they found something major. He was born with an irregular heart beat or something.

He is lucky. That can usually be managed with medication tho. It is generally not life/career threatening when treated. It's the undiagnosed that lead to a Fischer or Cherepanov situation.

[kipwinger 8,703]

Here's a really good article on Rossi and why he missed time:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01456-3