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Why no Mantha on the PK?

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3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

And why no Booth on the PP?

Hes been there b4 when he was a force in Florida. And he brings a lot of energy with him to the ice (something our PP desperately needs). In Florida he was averaging about 16 min a night on the PP!

Have I played a lot of sports? Yes. Have I coached a lot of sports? Yes. Are Dehaan and Cole a thing? No.

But one thing ive learned is some players are good at practice and some guys are good on the PP. Are we gonna win the cup this year? No. So should we instead be using this time to experiment with David Booth on the PP? Yes. Booth has flirted with 30 PP goals in a season before. Why wont blashill try him there, too busy dressing up in suits JUST LIKE MIKE BABCOCK???? Yes.

Booth could show these kids a thing or two about how to conduct yourself in this league. Have you seen he even wears his wedding ring under his glove during games? Yes. What a class act. Hope that rubs off on the kids. I wonder what his wife thinks too. Shes so lucky. That cheesey smile. That long beach boy haircut. That Detroit swagger. Those big strong yet gentle arms... OMG just play on my PP David, ill be forever yours.

:lol: @kliq what I tell you 

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18 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

And why no Booth on the PP?

Hes been there b4 when he was a force in Florida. And he brings a lot of energy with him to the ice (something our PP desperately needs). In Florida he was averaging about 16 min a night on the PP!

Have I played a lot of sports? Yes. Have I coached a lot of sports? Yes. Are Dehaan and Cole a thing? No.

But one thing ive learned is some players are good at practice and some guys are good on the PP. Are we gonna win the cup this year? No. So should we instead be using this time to experiment with David Booth on the PP? Yes. Booth has flirted with 30 PP goals in a season before. Why wont blashill try him there, too busy dressing up in suits JUST LIKE MIKE BABCOCK???? Yes.

Booth could show these kids a thing or two about how to conduct yourself in this league. Have you seen he even wears his wedding ring under his glove during games? Yes. What a class act. Hope that rubs off on the kids. I wonder what his wife thinks too. Shes so lucky. That cheesey smile. That long beach boy haircut. That Detroit swagger. Those big strong yet gentle arms... OMG just play on my PP David, ill be forever yours.

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Mantha isn't on the PK and shouldn't be on the PK because there are at least 4 other forwards on the roster who are more suited for it.

The best analogy I can think of is the mid 90's Lions. Barry Sanders is the best RB to ever play the game. He was certainly better than Mel Gray. Despite that, the Lions didn't use Sanders as a kick returner, that's what they had Mel Gray for. Could you imagine the uproar if the Lions threw Sanders out there on a kick return and he suffered a catastrophic injury? That's why you have special teams guys. The PK is basically a special team. That's why you have guys like Helm, Miller, Glendening, etc. You don't put Mantha out there.

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49 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Mantha isn't on the PK and shouldn't be on the PK because there are at least 4 other forwards on the roster who are more suited for it.

The best analogy I can think of is the mid 90's Lions. Barry Sanders is the best RB to ever play the game. He was certainly better than Mel Gray. Despite that, the Lions didn't use Sanders as a kick returner, that's what they had Mel Gray for. Could you imagine the uproar if the Lions threw Sanders out there on a kick return and he suffered a catastrophic injury? That's why you have special teams guys. The PK is basically a special team. That's why you have guys like Helm, Miller, Glendening, etc. You don't put Mantha out there.

I agree that Mantha shouldn't be used in a penalty killing role. Like so many have already mentioned, he needs to save his energy for the offensive zone (even strength / power-play). However, I don't think that just the grinder type players (Helm, Miller, Glendening, etc.) should be used on the penalty kill and skilled players shouldn't. Larkin has been arguably our best penalty killer, and in the same way, I believe Athanasiou would be a very good penalty killer. If this thread were called "Why no Athanasiou on the PK?", I'd probably agree. Mantha, not so much.

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2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I agree that Mantha shouldn't be used in a penalty killing role. Like so many have already mentioned, he needs to save his energy for the offensive zone (even strength / power-play). However, I don't think that just the grinder type players (Helm, Miller, Glendening, etc.) should be used on the penalty kill and skilled players shouldn't. Larkin has been arguably our best penalty killer, and in the same way, I believe Athanasiou would be a very good penalty killer. If this thread were called "Why no Athanasiou on the PK?", I'd probably agree. Mantha, not so much.

Im fine with Larkin/AA on the PK. Theyre young just like Dats/Z back in the day.

But i think the goal is to find competent PKers who can take those duties away from those players, so those players can focus on more offensive duties. Z and Dats had Hull, Yzerman, etc ahead of them. Larkin and AA dont. In fact they have the opposite, a team loaded with more middle teir players. Players that can already take those PK duties. 

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Im fine with Larkin/AA on the PK. Theyre young just like Dats/Z back in the day.

But i think the goal is to find competent PKers who can take those duties away from those players, so those players can focus on more offensive duties. Z and Dats had Hull, Yzerman, etc ahead of them. Larkin and AA dont. In fact they have the opposite, a team loaded with more middle teir players. Players that can already take those PK duties. 

Do I think Larkin is a good PKer? Yes. Does it look like he needs more help? Yes. Would AA be the right man for the job? He could be. Does that mean Mantha could help out too? No. So what can Mantha do then? Spend more time with his gf. Would she appreciate that? Yes. Would I spend time with Mantha’s gf? Yes. His gf gave me some statistics that Zetterberg’s son Love is top 5 from MULTIPLE sources for 2033 draft. Now does this mean we should draft him? Yes. How would @Euro_Twins feel about that? Good. Why? Because he wants the son of Zetterberg and the son of Datsyuk to play together and be drafted as the new Euro Twins. Does that mean it’s going to happen? No. Does @kliq want this to happen? Yes. Would he want to fight Bret The Hitman Hart? No. Does that mean @Jonas Mahonas is in love with me? Probably. Does this mean @Bill Berzeench and Drew Miller were actually the same person? NOT LIKELY!!!!!

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58 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Do I think Larkin is a good PKer? Yes. Does it look like he needs more help? Yes. Would AA be the right man for the job? He could be. Does that mean Mantha could help out too? No. So what can Mantha do then? Spend more time with his gf. Would she appreciate that? Yes. Would I spend time with Mantha’s gf? Yes. His gf gave me some statistics that Zetterberg’s son Love is top 5 from MULTIPLE sources for 2033 draft. Now does this mean we should draft him? Yes. How would @Euro_Twins feel about that? Good. Why? Because he wants the son of Zetterberg and the son of Datsyuk to play together and be drafted as the new Euro Twins. Does that mean it’s going to happen? No. Does @kliq want this to happen? Yes. Would he want to fight Bret The Hitman Hart? No. Does that mean @Jonas Mahonas is in love with me? Probably. Does this mean @Bill Berzeench and Drew Miller were actually the same person? NOT LIKELY!!!!!

You have lost it.  All this creativity wasted on us saps.  SMH

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8 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Im fine with Larkin/AA on the PK. Theyre young just like Dats/Z back in the day.

But i think the goal is to find competent PKers who can take those duties away from those players, so those players can focus on more offensive duties. Z and Dats had Hull, Yzerman, etc ahead of them. Larkin and AA dont. In fact they have the opposite, a team loaded with more middle teir players. Players that can already take those PK duties. 

I guess I'm just a proponent of using skilled guys in all situations. I'm not a fan of the pure grinders with little to no skill (Miller). I'm okay with Helm and even Glendening in that role because they're both fast and can provide some offense. Larkin has been unreal on the penalty kill, so I'm okay with keeping him there until we find a player that can effectively replace him. Athanasiou looked good there in his limited time, so I'd try that again.

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uh oh 

7 hours ago, kickazz said:

Do I think Larkin is a good PKer? Yes. Does it look like he needs more help? Yes. Would AA be the right man for the job? He could be. Does that mean Mantha could help out too? No. So what can Mantha do then? Spend more time with his gf. Would she appreciate that? Yes. Would I spend time with Mantha’s gf? Yes. His gf gave me some statistics that Zetterberg’s son Love is top 5 from MULTIPLE sources for 2033 draft. Now does this mean we should draft him? Yes. How would @Euro_Twins feel about that? Good. Why? Because he wants the son of Zetterberg and the son of Datsyuk to play together and be drafted as the new Euro Twins. Does that mean it’s going to happen? No. Does @kliq want this to happen? Yes. Would he want to fight Bret The Hitman Hart? No. Does that mean @Jonas Mahonas is in love with me? Probably. Does this mean @Bill Berzeench and Drew Miller were actually the same person? NOT LIKELY!!!!!

Like baby Mario and baby Luigi in mario kart. I would love that!

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22 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I agree that Mantha shouldn't be used in a penalty killing role. Like so many have already mentioned, he needs to save his energy for the offensive zone (even strength / power-play). However, I don't think that just the grinder type players (Helm, Miller, Glendening, etc.) should be used on the penalty kill and skilled players shouldn't. Larkin has been arguably our best penalty killer, and in the same way, I believe Athanasiou would be a very good penalty killer. If this thread were called "Why no Athanasiou on the PK?", I'd probably agree. Mantha, not so much.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying you don't put skill players on the PK. Z and D could do it, because they were both really good 2 way players. Larkin fits into that mold which is why he is used.

Mantha is more of a power forward type, and you don't really see guys like that on the PK. He's more in the mold of a Hull or Shanahan, and I don't recall either of those 2 ever being used on the PK. Mantha may be decent defensively, but like Hull or Shanny, I wouldn't describe him as a 2 way forward.

AA is more of a speed guy like Helm, but with more offensive ability. Not sure I would prefer AA on the PK until he improves his defense. If/when he does, he would be a good fit there. And unlike Helm, he hopefully pots a few shorties on his breakaway chances.

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5 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying you don't put skill players on the PK. Z and D could do it, because they were both really good 2 way players. Larkin fits into that mold which is why he is used.

Mantha is more of a power forward type, and you don't really see guys like that on the PK. He's more in the mold of a Hull or Shanahan, and I don't recall either of those 2 ever being used on the PK. Mantha may be decent defensively, but like Hull or Shanny, I wouldn't describe him as a 2 way forward.

AA is more of a speed guy like Helm, but with more offensive ability. Not sure I would prefer AA on the PK until he improves his defense. If/when he does, he would be a good fit there. And unlike Helm, he hopefully pots a few shorties on his breakaway chances.

Shanahan was used on the PK quite often. Had the most short handed goals in the 02 season actually.

Another power-forward ish guy on the PK was Johan Franzen. Though not often because D and Z were more than enough to work with Draper and Maltby.

But Franzen was a natural center so it made sence to use him  on pk once in a while.

Shanny was put on PK because Bowman did whatever he wanted to do. Just ask 65 goal scoring turned into Selke trophy winner Steve Yzerman.

But Mantha is no Shanahan, he’s no center, he’s no Zetterberg, nor is he Datsyuk. He’s good, but he’s not that level, and might never be. Shanny is a hall of famer. He was more than just elite. He could do whatever he wanted if he really wanted. He just preferred cherry picking Federov’s passes and scoring goals. 

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13 hours ago, kickazz said:

Shanahan was used on the PK quite often. Had the most short handed goals in the 02 season actually.

Another power-forward ish guy on the PK was Johan Franzen. Though not often because D and Z were more than enough to work with Draper and Maltby.

But Franzen was a natural center so it made sence to use him  on pk once in a while.

Shanny was put on PK because Bowman did whatever he wanted to do. Just ask 65 goal scoring turned into Selke trophy winner Steve Yzerman.

But Mantha is no Shanahan, he’s no center, he’s no Zetterberg, nor is he Datsyuk. He’s good, but he’s not that level, and might never be. Shanny is a hall of famer. He was more than just elite. He could do whatever he wanted if he really wanted. He just preferred cherry picking Federov’s passes and scoring goals. 

I think you stopped short of a good point - that a big forward with a big reach and a danger to break away and actually score can be useful to a pk.  Yah?

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52 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I think you stopped short of a good point - that a big forward with a big reach and a danger to break away and actually score can be useful to a pk.  Yah?

He could be, but he has to be good defensively in order to be on the PK. Shanahan was and so was Franzen. People just don't talk about it much because Shanahan was more known for his 656 goals and Franzen was known to score all those goals in the playoffs. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, kickazz said:

He could be, but he has to be good defensively in order to be on the PK. Shanahan was and so was Franzen. People just don't talk about it much because Shanahan was more known for his 656 goals and Franzen was known to score all those goals in the playoffs. 

 

 

Agreed.  He needs work on his lateral movement.

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18 hours ago, kickazz said:

Shanahan was used on the PK quite often. Had the most short handed goals in the 02 season actually.

Another power-forward ish guy on the PK was Johan Franzen. Though not often because D and Z were more than enough to work with Draper and Maltby.

But Franzen was a natural center so it made sence to use him  on pk once in a while.

Shanny was put on PK because Bowman did whatever he wanted to do. Just ask 65 goal scoring turned into Selke trophy winner Steve Yzerman.

But Mantha is no Shanahan, he’s no center, he’s no Zetterberg, nor is he Datsyuk. He’s good, but he’s not that level, and might never be. Shanny is a hall of famer. He was more than just elite. He could do whatever he wanted if he really wanted. He just preferred cherry picking Federov’s passes and scoring goals. 

Really? Where was I? Z, D, Draper, Maltby, I remember them doing it. But I honestly don't remember Shanahan on the PK? I mean I'm not surprised. It was Bowman after all. He could put Paul Coffey on the PK and noone would question it. It definitely gives me a greater appreciation for Shanny tho.

BTW, does Hossa ever play on the PK? Or was it just that bum Franzen that Kenny chose over him?:lol:

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15 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Really? Where was I? Z, D, Draper, Maltby, I remember them doing it. But I honestly don't remember Shanahan on the PK? I mean I'm not surprised. It was Bowman after all. He could put Paul Coffey on the PK and noone would question it. It definitely gives me a greater appreciation for Shanny tho.

BTW, does Hossa ever play on the PK? Or was it just that bum Franzen that Kenny chose over him?:lol:

Oh yea. Hossa was a great Pker in his career for sure. 

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2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I heard it gives you a "mysterious" skin condition that only flares up when ur contract is greater than your desire to play.

Dumbest reason ever to stop playing hockey. And they made stupid excuses too. There's are ways around allergies but you know, not if  you're trying to LTIR someone. 

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