ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 1 Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I hope so. Guys got like 120 pts now, that's insane in my mind 6 hours ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said: It is insane, Kucherov is gnarly as f***. Chances are he doesn't become that good, but I still think he has obvious high end potential. Yeah, saying that Zadina will be as good as Kucherov is obviously a little tongue in cheek, but I do think he could be a 35+ goal, 70+ point player in his prime. So in other words... Bust. 1 Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 768 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 23 hours ago, krsmith17 said: You're wrong. Zadina is Kucherov 2.0... Wow you're setting yourself up for disappointment. 10 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Yeah, saying that Zadina will be as good as Kucherov is obviously a little tongue in cheek, but I do think he could be a 35+ goal, 70+ point player in his prime. So in other words... Bust. He'll likely be an NHL regular but I agree with CRL... alot of run of the mill 2nd rounders will have equally good careers. Where I think CRL would disagree is that I would classify this as a BUST relative to his draft position and the expectations of many Wings fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mackel said: Wow you're setting yourself up for disappointment. He'll likely be an NHL regular but I agree with CRL... alot of run of the mill 2nd rounders will have equally good careers. Where I think CRL would disagree is that I would classify this as a BUST relative to his draft position and the expectations of many Wings fans. IDK about draft position, but in terms of expectation I would agree. The kid was threatening to take the #1 spot his entire draft year. He was billed as a guy who could probably step into the NHL and produce immediately. He slipped to #6 for probably good reasons, and he wasn't able to step into the NHL immediately... heck his freshmen AHL season hasn't been all that impressive. On the flipside of that Kucherov was a 2nd rounder and spent a season in the KHL and another in the QMJHL after his draft year before becoming an NHL regular, and his first NHL season was pretty forgettable. Now he's a 120+ pt player. So it all comes back to the impossible to predict "potential". Based on the perceived expectations I had of this player, IMO he had a bad first season in the pros. He can still turn that around though, up and down years are a thing especially for young guys. Edited March 27, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: The kid was threatening to take the #1 spot his entire draft year. I'm pretty sure that wasn't a thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: I'm pretty sure that wasn't a thing. Correction #2 spot. Forgot Dahlin was in that draft. Was thinking Nolan Patrick or something went #1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Correction #2 spot. Forgot Dahlin was in that draft. Was thinking Nolan Patrick or something went #1 You have brought shame upon this family. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dabura said: You have brought shame upon this family. "Looks like it's one of those nights you just don't eat dinner" - CRL's Dad 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: IDK about draft position, but in terms of expectation I would agree. The kid was threatening to take the #1 spot his entire draft year. He was billed as a guy who could probably step into the NHL and produce immediately. He slipped to #6 for probably good reasons, and he wasn't able to step into the NHL immediately... heck his freshmen AHL season hasn't been all that impressive. On the flipside of that Kucherov was a 2nd rounder and spent a season in the KHL and another in the QMJHL after his draft year before becoming an NHL regular, and his first NHL season was pretty forgettable. Now he's a 120+ pt player. So it all comes back to the impossible to predict "potential". Based on the perceived expectations I had of this player, IMO he had a bad first season in the pros. He can still turn that around though, up and down years are a thing especially for young guys. Actually, the reason he dropped to 6th is because Dahlin and Svech were clearly better players and Montreal and Phoenix coveted a center more than a winger. Ottawa could have picked Zadina or Tkachuk They chose Tkachuk, who was arguably an equal pick at that position. It's not like he dropped in favor of lesser players at his position. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Actually, the reason he dropped to 6th is because Dahlin and Svech were clearly better players and Montreal and Phoenix coveted a center more than a winger. Ottawa could have picked Zadina or Tkachuk They chose Tkachuk, who was arguably an equal pick at that position. It's not like he dropped in favor of lesser players at his position. Most of this I agree with, except the Tkachuk part. Literally nobody prior to the draft considered Tkachuk an equal pick to Zadina. Not even close. With the advantage of hindsight you can say that Tkachuk's as good, and maybe he is, but I defy you to find a single pre-draft ranking or scouting report that had him in the same conversation as Zadina. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 I'm confused. What are we trying to prove here? That sometimes players are drafted in an order that defies any pre-draft rankings? That some teams focus on need while others go BPA? Who gives a crap? The way I see it, we started the "official" rebuild in 2016 when we took Rasmussen. What's a reasonable gestation period before you want to see results? 5 years? Yeah, let's say that. So, in 5 years I expect to see a bunch of good young players on our roster. If we're better than a whole bunch of other teams, then we've done a good job. Do I care where the players come from vs where they were supposed to come from? Top 10 pick? 2nd rounder? 4th rounder? College signing? Not. one. bit. Now, if we still suck in 5 years we can do the revisionist coulda-woulda-shoulda thing. Until then, I'm not too worried about who was drafted when, and who we picked vs who we didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Actually, the reason he dropped to 6th is because Dahlin and Svech were clearly better players and Montreal and Phoenix coveted a center more than a winger. Ottawa could have picked Zadina or Tkachuk They chose Tkachuk, who was arguably an equal pick at that position. It's not like he dropped in favor of lesser players at his position. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't A. Svech get hurt his draft year and Zadina was tearing it up, so the draft media narrative was like "Oh whoa here comes this Zadina feller he may steal the #2 spot if he keeps playing this well". I mean everyone here was truly astounded and thrilled that we were able to draft him at 6. That's saying something. To be fair to Hayton, Kotkeneimi, and Tkachuk... the later 2 stepped on to their NHL clubs right away and are having stellar freshmen seasons. Hayton stayed in juniors but has vastly improved in juniors since being drafted. All 3 of those teams could have simply had those players higher on their depth charts than Zadina, despite what the media was reporting or claiming to know. As of today Tkachuk and Kotkeniemi are easily better players than Zadina. 28 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Most of this I agree with, except the Tkachuk part. Literally nobody prior to the draft considered Tkachuk an equal pick to Zadina. Not even close. With the advantage of hindsight you can say that Tkachuk's as good, and maybe he is, but I defy you to find a single pre-draft ranking or scouting report that had him in the same conversation as Zadina. You're not wrong, but Ottawa clearly had Tkachuk higher than Zadina on their draft list. So far that's proving to be a shrewd choice by them. 3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: I'm confused. What are we trying to prove here? That sometimes players are drafted in an order that defies any pre-draft rankings? That some teams focus on need while others go BPA? Who gives a crap? The way I see it, we started the "official" rebuild in 2016 when we took Rasmussen. What's a reasonable gestation period before you want to see results? 5 years? Yeah, let's say that. So, in 5 years I expect to see a bunch of good young players on our roster. If we're better than a whole bunch of other teams, then we've done a good job. Do I care where the players come from vs where they were supposed to come from? Top 10 pick? 2nd rounder? 4th rounder? College signing? Not. one. bit. Now, if we still suck in 5 years we can do the revisionist coulda-woulda-shoulda thing. Until then, I'm not too worried about who was drafted when, and who we picked vs who we didn't. I think we kinda gotta suck at least the next two seasons. After that time we will have burned off Helm, Glendening, Green, Ericsson, Daley, Howard, and Berniers current contracts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 56 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Most of this I agree with, except the Tkachuk part. Literally nobody prior to the draft considered Tkachuk an equal pick to Zadina. Not even close. With the advantage of hindsight you can say that Tkachuk's as good, and maybe he is, but I defy you to find a single pre-draft ranking or scouting report that had him in the same conversation as Zadina. I do remember some people being higher on Tkachuk. Zadina was the consensus #3, but Tkachuk going higher wasn't a total shocker. Hayton, on the other hand... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, kipwinger said: Most of this I agree with, except the Tkachuk part. Literally nobody prior to the draft considered Tkachuk an equal pick to Zadina. Not even close. With the advantage of hindsight you can say that Tkachuk's as good, and maybe he is, but I defy you to find a single pre-draft ranking or scouting report that had him in the same conversation as Zadina. Both NHL Central Scouting and The Hockey News had Tkachuk above Zadina just before the draft. 4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't A. Svech get hurt his draft year and Zadina was tearing it up, so the draft media narrative was like "Oh whoa here comes this Zadina feller he may steal the #2 spot if he keeps playing this well". I mean everyone here was truly astounded and thrilled that we were able to draft him at 6. That's saying something. TSN, for one, had Zadina at 2 and Svech at 3 at some point, but I dont think that anyone really ever believed that. Pretty much every draft I saw had Zadina and Tkachuk both going in the top 5. In other words, they were considered an equally good prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Both NHL Central Scouting and The Hockey News had Tkachuk above Zadina just before the draft. TSN, for one, had Zadina at 2 and Svech at 3 at some point, but I dont think that anyone really ever believed that. Pretty much every draft I saw had Zadina and Tkachuk both going in the top 5. In other words, they were considered an equally good prospect. Fooled me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Fooled me That's because you weren't listening to Dabura's Prospect Podcast. (Plz like, subscribe, donate to my Patreon. It really helps the channel.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dabura said: That's because you weren't listening to Dabura's Prospect Podcast. (Plz like, subscribe, donate to my Patreon. It really helps the channel.) Shameless plug. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Shameless plug. We need to start a LGW.com podcast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: We need to start a LGW.com podcast. Shameless pyramid scheme Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Shameless pyramid scheme I mean, the Egyptians built pyramids and I don't see anyone calling them con artists. Edited March 28, 2019 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Dabura said: I mean, the Egyptians built pyramids and I don't see anyone calling them con artists. They never paid anyone, so..... 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 2:39 AM, Wheelchairsuperhero said: ... With that said he didn't play in the Griffin's game today and I can't figure out why. 2 Wheelchairsuperhero and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Dabura said: We need to start a LGW.com podcast. I'd phone in But you wouldn't like what I have to say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I'd phone in But you wouldn't like what I have to say I'd expect every edition of the podcast to devolve into oral s***posting after about five minutes, so, nah, you'd fit right in. EDIT: LOL, I didn't mean for that to sound passive-aggressive. 52 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: They never paid anyone, so..... They paid the aliens. Edited March 28, 2019 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Dabura said: I'd expect every edition of the podcast to devolve into oral s***posting after about five minutes, so, nah, you'd fit right in. EDIT: LOL, I didn't mean for that to sound passive-aggressive. They paid the aliens. It'd mostly devolve into DragonBall Z and WWE I assume 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
