Who will score more goals to end the season, Larkin or AA?

[toby91_ca 620]

17 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Ok.  Good point.  But u got my drift.

Yes, understand what you are saying, but the thread is really about goal scoring....I know that's not what this particular part was about.  If you look at the greatest goal scorers, I suspect most of them are very streaky goal scorers....just the nature of it.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1 hour ago, toby91_ca said:

Yes, understand what you are saying, but the thread is really about goal scoring....I know that's not what this particular part was about.  If you look at the greatest goal scorers, I suspect most of them are very streaky goal scorers....just the nature of it.

For sure.  

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Larkin. 1st to 30

Edited March 29, 2019 by The 91 of Ryans

[kliq 3,763]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Larkin. 1st to 30

Thats who I voted for, I have a feeling AA got the nod voting wise because of the streak he was on when the poll came out.

[kipwinger 8,772]

4 hours ago, kliq said:

Thats who I voted for, I have a feeling AA got the nod voting wise because of the streak he was on when the poll came out.

Well, that and he's the better goal scorer. 

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4 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Well, that and he's the better goal scorer. 

If thats the case he should pass him in no time.

[kipwinger 8,772]

1 minute ago, kliq said:

If thats the case he should pass him in no time.

Probably will but the total doesn't really matter.  And just imagine how many more goals AA would have if they had similar ice time.  Larkin is top 3 in the league in 5 on 5 ice time amongst forwards.  AA played most of the season on the 3rd line with a bunch of scrubs.  They're neck and neck. 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

AA will get 30 and 31 tonight.  Larkin will have 1 goal and 2 assists.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

9 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Well, that and he's the better goal scorer. 

 

9 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Probably will but the total doesn't really matter.  And just imagine how many more goals AA would have if they had similar ice time.  Larkin is top 3 in the league in 5 on 5 ice time amongst forwards.  AA played most of the season on the 3rd line with a bunch of scrubs.  They're neck and neck. 

And here I was evaluating goal scorers based on the amount of, you know, goals scored and stuff. 

Also, there's a reason Larkin's top 3 in the league 5 on 5. Which is an amazing ******* stat by the way. 

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[kipwinger 8,772]

14 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

 

And here I was evaluating goal scorers based on the amount of, you know, goals scored and stuff. 

Also, there's a reason Larkin's top 3 in the league 5 on 5. Which is an amazing ******* stat by the way. 

Do you count the number of hits a baseball player gets without considering how many times they went to the plate?    AA's goals per 60 minutes of ice time is significantly higher than Larkin's.  Meaning he scores more when he's on the ice, he's just on the ice less.  But don't take my word for it, here's a chart from a few years ago showing goals/60 played.  You'll notice all of the league's most dangerous offensive threats are on it.  AA too for what it's worth.  https://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-goals-per-60-min-played/2016/

Sounds like a valid reason to conclude he's the better goal scorer.  If you don't think so, then you likely also have to conclude that Luke Glendening is a better goal scorer than Filip Zadina based on their goal totals. 

As for the 5 on 5 stat, its actually pretty useful in determining which guys are most heavily relied upon by their coaches.  Some guys get "ice time" but it's PK or PP time and pads the stat a bit.  If you're way up there in 5 on 5 icetime it likely means you're 1) Awesome, 2) taking a ton of shifts. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by kipwinger

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Yes but who will end the season with more assists? Ericsson or Hirose?

[krsmith17 7,191]

4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yes but who will end the season with more assists? Ericsson or Hirose?

Hirose will finish with more assists than Ericsson, Daley, Frk, de la Rose, Ehn and Helm...

[kipwinger 8,772]

5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yes but who will end the season with more assists? Ericsson or Hirose?

By the rationale advocated above Hirose could have an assist in each of Detroit's remaining games and still not be as good a playmaker as Justin Abdelkader apparently.  Why? Cuz f*ck denominators, that's why.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

11 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Do you count the number of hits a baseball player gets without considering how many times they went to the plate?    AA's goals per 60 minutes of ice time is significantly higher than Larkin's.  Meaning he scores more when he's on the ice, he's just on the ice less.  But don't take my word for it, here's a chart from a few years ago showing goals/60 played.  You'll notice all of the league's most dangerous offensive threats are on it.  AA too for what it's worth.  https://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-goals-per-60-min-played/2016/

Sounds like a valid reason to conclude he's the better goal scorer.  If you don't think so, then you likely also have to conclude that Luke Glendening is a better goal scorer than Filip Zadina based on their goal totals. 

As for the 5 on 5 stat, its actually pretty useful in determining which guys are most heavily relied upon by their coaches.  Some guys get "ice time" but it's PK or PP time and pads the stat a bit.  If you're way up there in 5 on 5 icetime it likely means you're 1) Awesome, 2) taking a ton of shifts. 

Lot's of what ifs. All I know is Larkin has more goals. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

By the rationale advocated above Hirose could have an assist in each of Detroit's remaining games and still not be as good a playmaker as Justin Abdelkader apparently.  Why? Cuz f*ck denominators, that's why.

Well he has been getting way more ice time with better linemates than Abdlekader. That must be why he has more assists. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by The 91 of Ryans

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Just now, The 91 of Ryans said:

Lot's of what ifs. All I know is Larkin has more goals. 

 

 

It's only one "if".  IF Larkin and AA played the same amount of minutes AA would f*cking bury Dylan in goals. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Lot's of what ifs. All I know is Larkin has more goals. 

 

 

Well he has been getting way more ice time with better linemates than Abdlekader. That must be why he has more assists. 

Yes but he has to play against tougher match ups so it's all good

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Just now, kipwinger said:

It's only one "if".  IF Larkin and AA played the same amount of minutes AA would f*cking bury Dylan in goals. 

"If" AA was relied on to do all of the things Larkin is relied on to do 5 on 5 and held accountable for his play, maybe he doesn't. But we'll never know because he's approx. half the player. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

It's only one "if".  IF Larkin and AA played the same amount of minutes AA would f*cking bury Dylan in goals. 

What's the logic?

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

What's the logic?

Ice time of course. Kip has found himself a rigid stat, made it totally independent of any other variables, assumes it's linear, and he's running with it. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by The 91 of Ryans

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8 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Ice time of course. Kip has found himself a rigid stat, made it totally independent of any other variables, assumes it's linear, and he's running with it. 

Personally I think Larkin is better. If he was commanded to play the way AA does he'd have way more goals. His dekes and shot are higher caliber too.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Personally I think Larkin is better. If he was commanded to play the way AA does he'd have way more goals. His dekes and shot are higher caliber too.

Better player? Absolutely no contest.

Better goal scorer? I think so. It certainly isn't a landslide the other way. No one's getting "******* buried". 

[kickazz 5,459]

Larkin is the better player as of now.

AA has been the better goal scorer this season. 

It's objective information.

Subject your opinion as you will. 

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My Jonas level response is this though:

Larkin = Yzerman

AA = Brett Hull 

Edited March 29, 2019 by kickazz

[kliq 3,763]

15 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Probably will but the total doesn't really matter.  And just imagine how many more goals AA would have if they had similar ice time.  Larkin is top 3 in the league in 5 on 5 ice time amongst forwards.  AA played most of the season on the 3rd line with a bunch of scrubs.  They're neck and neck. 

I dont think its a given that AA has more goals if he plays 1C. It wouldn't surprise me that if he played in that spot over a long period of time, his Corsi drops significantly which then could even lower his total. Don't forget, he then goes from playing against other scrubs to head to head with the Crosby's, McDavid's, Bergeron's, Kopitar's and Point's of the world.

I'm not looking to put down AA, I like him a lot as a player. But, I think Larkin being the 1C means Larkin tries to play a more complete game, and if Larkin was just trying to score goals, his total's would rise.

I dont think its as simple as "AA is a better goal scorer".  

[kickazz 5,459]

20 minutes ago, kliq said:

I dont think its a given that AA has more goals if he plays 1C. It wouldn't surprise me that if he played in that spot over a long period of time, his Corsi drops significantly which then could even lower his total. Don't forget, he then goes from playing against other scrubs to head to head with the Crosby's, McDavid's, Bergeron's, Kopitar's and Point's of the world.

I'm not looking to put down AA, I like him a lot as a player. But, I think Larkin being the 1C means Larkin tries to play a more complete game, and if Larkin was just trying to score goals, his total's would rise.

I dont think its as simple as "AA is a better goal scorer".  

I don’t know if that’s true. Larkin is definitely looking to score goals, just look at his shot percentage and shot attempts. He loves to shoot. Much more than AA shoots.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

Impossible not to give AA the nod in goal scoring capability.  Every single one of his shots is better than Larkin's.  Larkin is the better player though.  He is relentless.