ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 Big boy master race: Midget sub-humans: 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,458 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I'm curious as to why you don't think Veleno has the offensive capabilities? Was it the monster numbers he put up last year in the Q? or the short stint (first 6 games) in the AHL? I'm more so saying that Rasmussen has the size advantage against his competition, that wasn't and won't be the case when he plays in the NHL, as opposed to the AHL. But yes, Rasmussen does have the size advantage over Veleno, and that's not going to change. However, I'd argue that Veleno has just about every other advantage you want in a forward (center); skating, passing, hockey IQ, etc... So again, aside from these first six games, what gives you the impression that Rasmussen is a better prospect than Veleno? 1st Bold: Rasmussen will have a size advantage at the NHL level too. There are like 3 guys in the league as big as him currently. And he's only going to get bigger. It's a little like saying Brian Boyle doesn't have a size advantage in the NHL. 2nd Bold: Rasmussen has historically been a more prolific goal scorer than Veleno. He's actually a MUCH more prolific goal scorer. Rasmussen scored 81 goals in 161 games in juniors compared to 90 goals in 230 games for Veleno. So it's not just his current stint in the AHL which could lead someone to believe he'll be the better overall player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Oh, I know you'd argue. Rasmussen will be as good defensively as Veleno and probably better offensively. Debatable?Maybe. BUT Rasmussen's size and net-front game makes him "special". He's going to do all the things I'm alluding to when I say he'll be good defensively and he'll hold his own 5-on-5 offensively while also carving himself out a very important niche role of PP net front monster. Something he should be elite at vs the rest of the league. No part of Veleno's game is that special. Very debatable. We'll have to wait and see... I don't think any part of Veleno's game is elite, but very few 2nd line centers have any elite attributes. They just do everything very well. That's Veleno, solid, well-rounded, two-way center. If I were to guess on one thing he could be elite at (or close to it), zone exits and entries. The guy can skate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 5 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Which prospects have "regressed" under Blashill? Considering they're in GR, not too many. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, kipwinger said: 1st Bold: Rasmussen will have a size advantage at the NHL level too. There are like 3 guys in the league as big as him currently. And he's only going to get bigger. It's a little like saying Brian Boyle doesn't have a size advantage in the NHL. "wasn't and won't be *as much* the case when he plays in the NHL, as opposed to the AHL"... Sorry, I left out two words... I obviously think he's going to have a size advantage. I also said this "Ras is built like an ox, but he's still not even completely filled out yet, which is kind of scary"... 7 minutes ago, kipwinger said: 2nd Bold: Rasmussen has historically been a more prolific goal scorer than Veleno. He's actually a MUCH more prolific goal scorer. Rasmussen scored 81 goals in 161 games in juniors compared to 90 goals in 230 games for Veleno. So it's not just his current stint in the AHL which could lead someone to believe he'll be the better overall player. LOL you would use goals, as opposed to points (in a poor attempt) to prove your point... If Rasmussen is a MUCH more prolific goal scorer, then Veleno is a MUCH much more prolific set up man... You also have to consider that Veleno started juniors a year before Rasmussen due to his exceptional status. Remove that season where he only put up 13 goals in 62 games as a 15 year old, and the numbers are much closer. Veleno scored 77 goals in 168 games and Rasmussen scored 81 goals in 161 games at the same age. Also, add the fact that Rasmussen was a man amongst boys in juniors, and those numbers may even be more skewed, in regards to where he might project as an NHLer. I'm not trying to put down Rasmussen. I think (hope) he will be a very good player for us. It's just absurd to me that people think he's a much better prospect than Veleno... I don't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,012 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I'm not trying to put down Rasmussen. I think (hope) he will be a very good player for us. It's just absurd to me that people think he's a much better prospect than Veleno... I don't see it. Not "much" better. Just better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,458 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: "wasn't and won't be *as much* the case when he plays in the NHL, as opposed to the AHL"... Sorry, I left out two words... I obviously think he's going to have a size advantage. I also said this "Ras is built like an ox, but he's still not even completely filled out yet, which is kind of scary"... LOL you would use goals, as opposed to points (in a poor attempt) to prove your point... If Rasmussen is a MUCH more prolific goal scorer, then Veleno is a MUCH much more prolific set up man... You also have to consider that Veleno started juniors a year before Rasmussen due to his exceptional status. Remove that season where he only put up 13 goals in 62 games as a 15 year old, and the numbers are much closer. Veleno scored 77 goals in 168 games and Rasmussen scored 81 goals in 161 games at the same age. Also, add the fact that Rasmussen was a man amongst boys in juniors, and those numbers may even be more skewed, in regards to where he might project as an NHLer. I'm not trying to put down Rasmussen. I think (hope) he will be a very good player for us. It's just absurd to me that people think he's a much better prospect than Veleno... I don't see it. I agree, Veleno is a way better passer. You asked what, aside from their current AHL stats, might lead someone to believe that Rasmussen will be better one day. I'm simply saying that while Veleno is faster and a better passer, Rasmussen has historically been a better scorer and will have a size and strength advantage over (basically) everyone he ever plays against. Those are valid reasons to think he might be better than Veleno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Not "much" better. Just better. 5 minutes ago, kipwinger said: I agree, Veleno is a way better passer. You asked what, aside from their current AHL stats, might lead someone to believe that Rasmussen will be better one day. I'm simply saying that while Veleno is faster and a better passer, Rasmussen has historically been a better scorer and will have a size and strength advantage over (basically) everyone he ever plays against. Those are valid reasons to think he might be better than Veleno. Fair enough. I disagree, but we'll have to wait and see. Regardless, I hope both end up being great middle six centers for us for the next 10+ seasons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 Celebrity look alikes: Joe Veleno Andrew Garfield Michael Rasmussen The Undertaker Nuff said 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 LOL Not even close... You want to see a real look alike?... We need to draft Athanasiou's brother... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,741 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Celebrity look alikes: Joe Veleno Andrew Garfield Michael Rasmussen The Undertaker Nuff said well hello my face blind friend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: LOL Not even close... You want to see a real look alike?... We need to draft Athanasiou's brother... His not funny 31 year old brother? 3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: well hello my face blind friend OH LIKE YOU CAN DO ANY BETTER IM SICK OF PPL ON THIS WEBSITE SIGNALING ME OUT AND PICKING ON MEALL THE TIME Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: His not funny 31 year old brother? Wow, that is next level cringeworthy... 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,741 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: OH LIKE YOU CAN DO ANY BETTER IM SICK OF PPL ON THIS WEBSITE SIGNALING ME OUT AND PICKING ON MEALL THE TIME Lukashenko=Rasmussen Putin=Zadina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: Lukashenko=Rasmussen Putin=Zadina IDK, I don't see it Who is Lukashenko? Russias VP? Respect my right as an American to only know like 5 world leaders besides my own Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,741 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: IDK, I don't see it Who is Lukashenko? Russias VP? Respect my right as an American to only know like 5 world leaders besides my own President of Belarus. I don’t think I could really do any better either. Shameful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 I hear Putin is not only a big hockey fan but his favorite player is Marc Andre Fleury Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 8:36 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said: LSD night at the LCA according to me: Chillin in my seat enjoying the music and lights from the jumbotron Players on the ice all swirling together Fans cheering and yelling vibrates my entire soul Have Little Caesars Cheese is meltier than my face Finish slice Life literally ruined because no more delicious pizza slice Look down at pizza box I only ate the first slice, THERE'S A WHOLE PIZZA LEFT Literally cry from relief and happiness Red Wings win by 8 goals LSD night at the LCA according to sober friend: Pointing cell phone at jumbotron trying to change the channel like a TV remote for the entire 1st period Yelling and screaming at random points in the game and during dead time upsetting everyone in our section Rubbing hot super slice on my face Throw mangled super slice on the ice like its an octopus yelling THERE'S A WHOLE PIZZA LEFT There isn't Crying from trying to eat my own now sauce covered hands Red Wings lose by 5 goals Just wanted to mention for the game against Buffalo tonight... Joe Rogan is performing at the Fox tonight as well so this could actually be the LSD/DMT night lol should be a few trippers out n about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 663 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 Does anyone know why on earth Helm is on the top line? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, mackel said: Does anyone know why on earth Helm is on the top line? Spread out the limited talent we have... Give Athanasiou someone to play with... Helm has the 2nd most goals on the team and has been playing really well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,960 Report post Posted October 29, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 8:50 PM, mackel said: Does anyone know why on earth Helm is on the top line? Because he is outscoring most of the roster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites