Seattle Expansion Draft: Who you pick?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

10 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Seattle are going to be better than Vegas...

Not so sure. It wasn't just the roster that made Vegas that good, that fast. Coaching, some hidden gems, overachievers, and some luck all contributed to that. I think Seattle will be be a middling team.

[Scott R Lucidi 452]

Cholowski will be the take.  First rounder d man at 23 years old.

[mackel 681]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Assuming Mo makes the roster, Stecher would have been pushed down to 3rd pair. Lindstrom should be able to fill that roster spot. Just sucks losing the potential pick for him at the TDL.

Looking at how Stecher performed at the world championships with a competent coach... leaving Stecher unprotected is a mistake that can be directly traced back to another mistake... keeping a clueless coach.

This rebuild is looking like it's going to take another 3 or more years and may need a complete reboot.

[Scott R Lucidi 452]

19 minutes ago, mackel said:

Looking at how Stecher performed at the world championships with a competent coach... leaving Stecher unprotected is a mistake that can be directly traced back to another mistake... keeping a clueless coach.

This rebuild is looking like it's going to take another 3 or more years and may need a complete reboot.

what did we get stecher for?

[marcaractac 3,963]

We are gonna lose a third pairing dman. There is literally nothing to complain about. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

9 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

We are gonna lose a third pairing dman. There is literally nothing to complain about. 

Or maybe (hopefully) a third line center...

[Scott R Lucidi 452]

yes,

 

and third pairing/line players on our current squad are barely nhlers on a competent team.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, mackel said:

Looking at how Stecher performed at the world championships with a competent coach... leaving Stecher unprotected is a mistake that can be directly traced back to another mistake... keeping a clueless coach.

This rebuild is looking like it's going to take another 3 or more years and may need a complete reboot.

Stecher is 28. Past the age for the rebuild. He also was 1 year away from free agency and was unlikely to be re-signed with both Seider and Hronek on the right side.

I liked Stecher, but there wasn't a fit for him on the team after this season.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

I mean, what's next extend Blashill? Oh wait...

If Stecher is too old for the rebuild, there damn sure better not be a re-signing of Helm!!

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

4 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I mean, what's next extend Blashill? Oh wait...

If Stecher is too old for the rebuild, there damn sure better not be a re-signing of Helm!!

Lol. There won't be. Holland is gone.

[Noodles22 9]

8 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Stecher is 28. Past the age for the rebuild. He also was 1 year away from free agency and was unlikely to be re-signed with both Seider and Hronek on the right side.

I liked Stecher, but there wasn't a fit for him on the team after this season.

I think Stecher will be playing for the Wings this year so all of this is mute.  They will take Cholo.  Who wouldn't.  A first round pick who does have potential and will cost less plus is 4 years younger. I think it goes: Cholo, Svech, Stecher

 

[Noodles22 9]

5 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

True that. He came here cause we could give him by default the 2nd line minutes that he couldn't earn in Vancouver. Once Seider is on the team it's back to the 3rd pairing with him. I don't see Stecher's career extending very far beyond the Wings. He'll be one of those players that's out of the league by 30 years old.

Let's say Stecher isn't selected by Seattle. What does he even fetch at the deadline? I'm not sure I'd even give a 4th for a player like him. He's undersized, doesn't contribute to special teams, doesn't produce points. He's literally a warm body 3rd pairing.

yet he was our best defenseman so I guess that speaks volumes to our team.  I actually think that Hronek took a step back this year.  I think Stecher is an ideal 3rd pairing d and he doesn't break the bank so I hope he is around for a few more years.

 

 

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[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

6 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

True that. He came here cause we could give him by default the 2nd line minutes that he couldn't earn in Vancouver. Once Seider is on the team it's back to the 3rd pairing with him. I don't see Stecher's career extending very far beyond the Wings. He'll be one of those players that's out of the league by 30 years old.

Let's say Stecher isn't selected by Seattle. What does he even fetch at the deadline? I'm not sure I'd even give a 4th for a player like him. He's undersized, doesn't contribute to special teams, doesn't produce points. He's literally a warm body 3rd pairing.

I think you undervalue Stecher. He's a bottom 4 D capable of playing on the 2nd pair for stretches. I think he would fetch a 3rd at the TDL.

[Noodles22 9]

2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I think you undervalue Stecher. He's a bottom 4 D capable of playing on the 2nd pair for stretches. I think he would fetch a 3rd at the TDL.

I agree but one thing I don't get is why when we have a decent player why we always must trade him because they are over 25 or 26 and don't fit our timeline.  Whatever happened to the days of having a well-balanced team with younger players and veterans?  My point is for what he makes, why not keep him as a 3rd pair for the next 5 years?  If every chance we get, we offload players because "they don't fit into our timeframe" then this rebuild will never be complete.

[Noodles22 9]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Nemeth actually brings size to the table and can kill penalties. He also logs more minutes than Stecher does. He fetched a late 4th.

Agree to disagree.  I guess there are two Stecher camps out there. I along with many was impressed with him this year and thought he played well for team Canada.  He brings much more skill than Lindstrom for example and he seems to have a great attitude.  You are right though when you say we are talking about a 3rd pair d so whatever happens, it won't make or break us.

 

 

[Noodles22 9]

Does anyone else have the feeling that SY is not done with bringing in another quality D?  I think he will give another team some cap relief before free agency or he'll work out a trade with Vegas for a D they got in the expansion draft.  Last year we singed Staal, Merrill and Stecher.  There are quality d out there for the taking and if we can get a solid 6 assuming Seider is what we think he is, we could surprise some people this year.

9 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Nemeth actually brings size to the table and can kill penalties. He also logs more minutes than Stecher does. He fetched a late 4th.

Agree to disagree.  I guess there are two Stecher camps out there. I along with many was impressed with him this year and thought he played well for team Canada.  He brings much more skill than Lindstrom for example and he seems to have a great attitude.  You are right though when you say we are talking about a 3rd pair d so whatever happens, it won't make or break us.

 

 

[LeftWinger 4,961]

I hate mute points....but it's almost moot to complain!  just playin!

46 minutes ago, Noodles22 said:

think Stecher will be playing for the Wings this year so all of this is mute. 

I really hope he doesn't get picked. He was a bright spot last season. But you never know, maybe this is something Yzerman promised him he'd do when he signed...

[amato 3,210]

Seattle roster could go so many different ways with all the available players 

After looking at the lists a bit, I think the most obvious picks (provided side deals aren't made) are Jake Bean and Cal Foote. Also, Landeskog, provided they could reach a deal with him.

Those two being made available to Seattle, along with other younger NHL level d-men, makes me think they won't go for defense from our roster. So I guess my final guess is we lose Namestnikov 

[Noodles22 9]

8 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Right, at the end of the day I just don't care that much about 3rd pairing journeymen. Even if Stecher was some great 3rd pairing role player, at the end of the day that position is high replaceable and not important. Especially on rebuilding team.

But in theory, that's what I want out of a 3rd pairing Dman. A role player of some kind. Be a PP specialist. Be big n gritty. Be a shutdown PK expert. The only thing I can say about Stecher is he is steady. That works for now, seeing as we need steady players. But I don't see much future for him in the NHL on any team. He'll be one of those guys out of a job by age 30. Because there are plenty of steady guys just like him that bring something else to the table.

The D just got a helluva lot better

Dekeyser - Hronek
Staal - Stecher

vs.

Leddy - Seider
????? - Hronek

And those ????? are basically gonna be an improvement over Dekeyer and Cholo no matter who they end up being lol

No doubt and I don't want to sound like a slappy but honestly if we can assemble a competent D, not great, just middle of the pack, we will be relevant much sooner than people think.

 

1 minute ago, amato said:

Seattle roster could go so many different ways with all the available players 

After looking at the lists a bit, I think the most obvious picks (provided side deals aren't made) are Jake Bean and Cal Foote. Also, Landeskog, provided they could reach a deal with him.

Those two being made available to Seattle, along with other younger NHL level d-men, makes me think they won't go for defense from our roster. So I guess my final guess is we lose Namestnikov 

And that my friend would be music to my ears.

[marcaractac 3,963]

What we lose in this draft will be even less of a loss than Nosek. A solid year from Leddy and he fetches much more than what Stecher would. 

On another topic, remember when people were so mad about Will Butcher? Those were the days. Saw his name in the Devil's s exposed list and had a chuckle. 

[F.Michael 4,590]

3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Stecher is 28. Past the age for the rebuild. He also was 1 year away from free agency and was unlikely to be re-signed with both Seider and Hronek on the right side.

I liked Stecher, but there wasn't a fit for him on the team after this season.

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[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

2 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Nemeth actually brings size to the table and can kill penalties. He also logs more minutes than Stecher does. He fetched a late 4th.

Stecher is RH, can play 2nd pair, and had a really good showing this year with Team Canada. Unless he stinks it up this season, I think a 3rd is still possible.

9 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

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Off by one year. Still, Seider, Hronek, and Lidstrom are all considerably younger, so my original point still stands. He wasn't part of Yzerman's future plans.

[Akakabuto 1,750]

4 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Stecher is RH, can play 2nd pair, and had a really good showing this year with Team Canada. Unless he stinks it up this season, I think a 3rd is still possible.

I wouldnt put too much stock into this. It was a pretty s***ty WHC.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 minute ago, Akakabuto said:

I wouldnt put too much stock into this. It was a pretty s***ty WHC.

It can't hurt. Pretty sure wYz Guy mentions it in trade negotiations.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Since I am too lazy to look, any shockers on the unprotected lists?