New New Prospects Thread

[kipwinger 8,772]

If he's planning on re-signing Kane, plus give raises to Raymond and Seider he's going to need to save money elsewhere. To do so he's going to have to do two things, 1) move overpriced vets, and 2) have lots of entry level contracts.

That's why I'm starting to think this Berggren situation may end up without a trade. I think it's way more likely that we try to move on from middling guys like Fabbri, Perron, Veleno, Maatta, Holl than it is that we trade a young scorer on an entry level deal for help at the deadline.

 

[Troy McClure 347]

4 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Your god is evil

Same god, different prophets bro. Education was never the christ cucks strong suit...

[Troy McClure 347]

3 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

If he's planning on re-signing Kane, plus give raises to Raymond and Seider he's going to need to save money elsewhere. To do so he's going to have to do two things, 1) move overpriced vets, and 2) have lots of entry level contracts.

That's why I'm starting to think this Berggren situation may end up without a trade. I think it's way more likely that we try to move on from middling guys like Fabbri, Perron, Veleno, Maatta, Holl than it is that we trade a young scorer on an entry level deal for help at the deadline.

 

Not super stoked on re-signing Perron. I get he's the dad in the room, but his legs are getting more n more cooked by the day. Kane absoluetly needs to stay.

Perron just screams to me re-signing Helmer and Abby cause they been good boys reason. We can totally use his roster spot n money to upgrade. 

[kipwinger 8,772]

Just now, Troy McClure said:

Not super stoked on re-signing Perron. I get he's the dad in the room, but his legs are getting more n more cooked by the day. Kane absoluetly needs to stay.

Perron just screams to me re-signing Helmer and Abby cause they been good boys reason. We can totally use his roster spot n money to upgrade. 

I don't think he'll get re-signed, unless it's for a really big pay cut. SY has never been afraid to cut loose fan favorite players/locker room leaders for the sake of good business. I mean, he bought out Lecavalier and traded St. Louis. I just don't see him bringing back Perron, regardless of his influence in the room.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

I don't think he'll get re-signed, unless it's for a really big pay cut. SY has never been afraid to cut loose fan favorite players/locker room leaders for the sake of good business. I mean, he bought out Lecavalier and traded St. Louis. I just don't see him bringing back Perron, regardless of his influence in the room.

My guess is that Daddy Perron is replaced by Daddy Kane especially if we get into playoffs this year. DP is cut loose in summer with a thank you bottle of wine and replaced by BearGrin.

Although with Sprong probably wanting a HUGE payday plus isn't Fisher on a one year? That could allow DP to stay ONE MORE YEAR. He could also walk on his own if he wants 3 years for example. 

Not sure Kasper or anyone else is ready for the bigs ....so we arent in not a overtly bad spot to be in if Yzerguy plays his cards right. 

[kipwinger 8,772]

1 minute ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

My guess is that Daddy Perron is replaced by Daddy Kane especially if we get into playoffs this year. DP is cut loose in summer with a thank you bottle of wine and replaced by BearGrin.

Although with Sprong probably wanting a HUGE payday plus isn't Fisher on a one year? That could allow DP to stay ONE MORE YEAR. He could also walk on his own if he wants 3 years for example. 

Not sure Kasper or anyone else is ready for the bigs ....so we arent in not a overtly bad spot to be in if Yzerguy plays his cards right. 

Sprong isn't getting a HUGE payday, despite what everyone thinks. He's had two 20 goal seasons. For comparison's sake, Tomas Tatar signed his biggest contract ever (5.3 million) after putting up four 20+ goal seasons. Sprong will probably make 4ish million bucks on his next deal.

I agree with the bolded otherwise.

[Troy McClure 347]

Let Perron go back to the Blues in UFA so he can retire there.

Sprongers gonna wanna test UFA again. Let him.

Re-sign Kaner and give him an A. Re-sign Muslim Fischer.

Callup Berggren and sign the Mankos.

Forwards = done

[Akakabuto 1,863]

2 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Re-sign Kaner and give him an A

Since he already got the A Im thinking an extension is all but signed

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Let's keep focused on prospects here, you regards.

 

https://www.mlive.com/griffins/2024/02/cossa-stands-tall-again-griffins-snap-milwaukees-19-game-win-streak.html?outputType=amp

 

Good read.  16-2-2 since Xmas.  Damn.  Not going to buy into Cossa negativity around here.  The guy is a winner.  "Well, if you give him good teammates ...." Yah, that's ALL goalies.  Hasek didn't win s*** til he had good teammates.  Cossa is going to be an absolute WALL with Seider/Edvinsson/Wallinder/Tuomisto in front of him.  Walman and ASP can be the slick puck carriers.  Excited to see the farm move out the old guys.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

15 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Let's keep focused on prospects here, you regards.

 

https://www.mlive.com/griffins/2024/02/cossa-stands-tall-again-griffins-snap-milwaukees-19-game-win-streak.html?outputType=amp

 

Good read.  16-2-2 since Xmas.  Damn.  Not going to buy into Cossa negativity around here.  The guy is a winner.  "Well, if you give him good teammates ...." Yah, that's ALL goalies.  Hasek didn't win s*** til he had good teammates.  Cossa is going to be an absolute WALL with Seider/Edvinsson/Wallinder/Tuomisto in front of him.  Walman and ASP can be the slick puck carriers.  Excited to see the farm move out the old guys.

hmm sounds like the parent club

"Since Christmas, the Griffins are 16-2-2-2. Watson says the team, as a whole, is coming together at the right time, leading to elevated success."

“It’s the guys buying in to how hard it is to win in this league, how hard it is to beat a team like Milwaukee...Our guys are starting to become a really, really good team inside the locker room, it’s going to bleed out onto the ice.”

[Troy McClure 347]

4 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

Since he already got the A Im thinking an extension is all but signed

....... he took Seiders A?

[Akakabuto 1,863]

14 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

....... he took Seiders A?

apparently

[Troy McClure 347]

33 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

apparently

Haram

Everyone knows the house of Seider is the true caliphate

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

I think it was a temp A for his night in Chicago. A back on Seider tonight. If not do we start the trade rumors for Mo?

I kid I kid

Edited February 27, 2024 by AtlantaHotWings

[kipwinger 8,772]

Here's a fun one. In terms of the Red Wings rebuild, do you think we'd be better off if we'd won the draft lottery in our two worst rebuilding seasons and taken the consensus 1OA pick, or would we be better off if we'd never won the lottery but taken the (hindsight) best pick available in two other drafts.

So basically, would we be better off if we'd done everything exactly the same but we had Jack Hughes and Alexis Lafreniere instead of Seider and Raymond. Or would we be better off if we did everything the same and had Quinn Hughes and Martin Necas instead of Zadina and Rasmussen?

Edited February 27, 2024 by kipwinger

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

Here's a fun one I saw over on Reddit. In terms of the Red Wings rebuild, do you think we'd be better off if we'd won the draft lottery in our two worst rebuilding seasons and taken the consensus 1OA pick, or would we be better off if we'd never won the lottery but taken the (hindsight) best pick available in two other drafts.

So basically, would we be better off if we'd done everything exactly the same but we had Jack Hughes and Alexis Lafreniere instead of Seider and Raymond. Or would we be better off if we did everything the same and had Quinn Hughes and Martin Necas instead of Zadina and Rasmussen?

Hughes/Lefreniere, Hughes/Necas.

Seider is a beast, but J. Hughes is a top 5 #1 C Yzerman type guy.  Edvinsson and ASP would fill in first pairing a lot easier than Danielson will fill in for J. Hughes.  The 2nd set of players involves the 2nd biggest draft miss in sports history next to Michael Jordan behind Sam Bouey, so let's not discuss that one.  It makes me cringe.

[mackel 768]

18 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Hughes/Lefreniere, Hughes/Necas.

Seider is a beast, but J. Hughes is a top 5 #1 C Yzerman type guy.  Edvinsson and ASP would fill in first pairing a lot easier than Danielson will fill in for J. Hughes.  The 2nd set of players involves the 2nd biggest draft miss in sports history next to Michael Jordan behind Sam Bouey, so let's not discuss that one.  It makes me cringe.

Remember there were goofs here who defended and "explained" how Zadina was actually real good and about to "break-out".... 

Then there's the few vindicated souls who knew all along.

[kipwinger 8,772]

4 minutes ago, mackel said:

Remember there were goofs here who defended and "explained" how Zadina was actually real good and about to "break-out".... 

Then there's the few vindicated souls who knew all along.

So which do you choose? Swap Seider/Raymond with Hughes/Lafreniere but keep Zadina, Cholo, Svech, Ras, Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielson, ASP, etc.?

OR...keep Seider/Raymond but swap any other player we chose for a different player provided the new player was still on the board at the time we picked?

[mackel 768]

13 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

So which do you choose? Swap Seider/Raymond with Hughes/Lafreniere but keep Zadina, Cholo, Svech, Ras, Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielson, ASP, etc.?

OR...keep Seider/Raymond but swap any other player we chose for a different player provided the new player was still on the board at the time we picked?

I'd rather have drafted Hughes or Dobson in 19.  Not that loser Zagina.

[kipwinger 8,772]

1 minute ago, mackel said:

I'd rather have drafted Hughes or Dobson in 19.  Not that loser Zagina.

I misspoke. You can if you keep Seider/Raymond you can "upgrade" any TWO other picks. So you can take Hughes/Dobson over Zadina AND upgrade another pick.

[mackel 768]

4 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I misspoke. You can if you keep Seider/Raymond you can "upgrade" any TWO other picks. So you can take Hughes/Dobson over Zadina AND upgrade another pick.

I'd have not reached into the BCHL for Cholo, that was a low percentage pick. I'm sure there were better picks made 5-10 spots after him, but I can't be bothered to look.

Rasmussen is a close 2nd, he was a reach at 9 but that's what you get when you have a dinosaur GM.

[town123 236]

By these rules, the best player in the 2020 draft I believed was Stutzle.   Seider and Stutzle?   Jawohl!

 

[kipwinger 8,772]

54 minutes ago, town123 said:

By these rules, the best player in the 2020 draft I believed was Stutzle.   Seider and Stutzle?   Jawohl!

 

You're misunderstanding the rules. The premise is that we either get lottery luck in the two years we had the best lottery odds (and take the concensus 1OA pick in both years) OR we never win the lottery but essentially have better scouting in any two different years during the rebuild. So you can't have Stutzle. You either get Raymond or Lafreniere in 2020, and either Seider or Jack Hughes 2019. Those were the only two drafts where we had realistic odds of winning the lottery, and in both cases there was never a single doubt that Hughes or Lafreniere would go first overall. So if we HAD won the lottery we would almost certainly have ended up with those players.

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by kipwinger

[Akakabuto 1,863]

1 hour ago, mackel said:

Rasmussen is a close 2nd, he was a reach at 9 but that's what you get when you have a dinosaur GM.

Holland went full size queen in that draft. Not mad about him picking Ras though.

[kipwinger 8,772]

16 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Holland went full size queen in that draft. Not mad about him picking Ras though.

Everybody knows I love Rasmussen, so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think that pick was a reach. If you look back at the first round Rasmussen is roughly the 8-12 best player and we took him with the 9th pick. Hischier, Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson, Necas, Suzuki, and Robert Thomas are all definitely better  Oettinger, Mittelstadt, Tippet, Vilardi are all roughly as good, so it's a pick your poison type situation when Detroit gets to the podium.

Obviously in real life Necas was still available, but there were questions about Necas on draft day or he wouldn't have fallen to 12th OA. In a redraft he probably goes fifth. But I don't think Ras is a "miss". He's probably the 8th to 12th best player and we got him with the 9th pick. People are obviously welcome to prefer different players, but he was selected basically where he should have been.

Edited February 28, 2024 by kipwinger