Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted February 16, 2023 5 hours ago, kipwinger said: I'm not mad about SY re-signing Maatta. He's been good. I just don't understand why you wouldn't wait till after the deadline. See if there's a market for the guy and then re-sign if nothing materializes. Just pure speculation, but Maatta took a 1 year deal to sign with Detroit. It might have been a hand shake deal that if he performed well, he would be re-signed. Also, I am assuming all of Oesterle, Hagg, and Pysyk are gone and Lindstrom gets waived. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted February 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: Just pure speculation, but Maatta took a 1 year deal to sign with Detroit. It might have been a hand shake deal that if he performed well, he would be re-signed. Also, I am assuming all of Oesterle, Hagg, and Pysyk are gone and Lindstrom gets waived. Could be, hard to say. At the end of the day I'm not mad about it, I just assumed that after the year he'd had (and given his cap hit) that he'd be pretty desirable to teams looking to go on playoff runs. Then again, we aren't exactly out of the Wildcard ourselves so maybe this is SY giving his team a vote of confidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, kipwinger said: Could be, hard to say. At the end of the day I'm not mad about it, I just assumed that after the year he'd had (and given his cap hit) that he'd be pretty desirable to teams looking to go on playoff runs. Then again, we aren't exactly out of the Wildcard ourselves so maybe this is SY giving his team a vote of confidence. Why do you feel like he cant be traded now? Thats what I dont get. Especially if we retain salary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted February 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Why do you feel like he cant be traded now? Thats what I dont get. Especially if we retain salary. Because extending him actually makes him harder to move. Any playoff team looking for a rental would no longer have interest. SY wouldn't sign him if he was going to trade him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted February 17, 2023 Anybody down to sell high on Walman now that Maata is re-signed? He'd probably be right at home in Dallas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,842 Report post Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Walman6million said: Anybody down to sell high on Walman now that Maata is re-signed? He'd probably be right at home in Dallas. Absolutely! Walmans play is a nice surprise but hes no part of this team in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted February 17, 2023 He seems to be a good fot with Seider tho. I f he is still RFA, I would just extend for a year or 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-chiarot-trade-bait-land-jakob-chychrun/ This is serious reefer material. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-chiarot-trade-bait-land-jakob-chychrun/ This is serious reefer material. Chiarot, Wallinder, Mazur, a 1st and a 2nd for Chychrun? No way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: Chiarot, Wallinder, Mazur, a 1st and a 2nd for Chychrun? No way. Coyotes would tell us to keep Chiarot in this package. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 SM is full of ppl saying we must keep Walman at all costs. Hes a good dman that skates well but nothing special imo. Guess who these 2 players are. 27yo dman with 21pts in 111gp. 24yo dman with 21 pts in 115gp. Thats the must keep Walman and forgettable Lindstrom. Like Lindstrom Walman is a good bottom 4 but def not a staple and likely not a part of SY longterm plans. If a team offers a 2nd for Walman you take it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, redw1ngs said: SM is full of ppl saying we must keep Walman at all costs. Hes a good dman that skates well but nothing special imo. Guess who these 2 players are. 27yo dman with 21pts in 111gp. 24yo dman with 21 pts in 115gp. Thats the must keep Walman and forgettable Lindstrom. Like Lindstrom Walman is a good bottom 4 but def not a staple and likely not a part of SY longterm plans. If a team offers a 2nd for Walman you take it. Walman is good to keep around short term due to his chemistry with Seider while young dmen in the system develop. I think Johansson will be Seider's partner down the road though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CupCrazy22 8 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 16 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-chiarot-trade-bait-land-jakob-chychrun/ This is serious reefer material. This clown posted his article in a Wings FB group I'm in and got lit up there, too. Every single article he has written is complete trash. 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 57 minutes ago, CupCrazy22 said: This clown posted his article in a Wings FB group I'm in and got lit up there, too. Every single article he has written is complete trash. im in it too! 1 CupCrazy22 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, marcaractac said: Walman is good to keep around short term due to his chemistry with Seider while young dmen in the system develop. I think Johansson will be Seider's partner down the road though. Sounds good to me. I hope we can pry a real slick skating RHD prospect away from a team at the deadline. Was looking at Topi Niemela, but Bert to TO doesnt seem as likely now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 Chychrun is not worth that package. He is not a prime Erik Karlsson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 5 hours ago, CupCrazy22 said: This clown posted his article in a Wings FB group I'm in and got lit up there, too. Every single article he has written is complete trash. Yeah this is literally r-slurred. And his previous article was "wings should trade Eddogg for Jiricek." Ignore. 1 CupCrazy22 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Walman6million said: Yeah this is literally r-slurred. And his previous article was "wings should trade Eddogg for Jiricek." Ignore. totally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted February 19, 2023 Per Friedman - Bertuzzi OFF the market, SY not looking to trade him. Bertuzzi haters boned in the ass AGAIN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Walman6million said: Per Friedman - Bertuzzi OFF the market, SY not looking to trade him. Bertuzzi haters boned in the ass AGAIN! Chiarot needs to go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted February 19, 2023 37 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Chiarot needs to go SY seems to be more bull about this team than bear. We might not trade anyone away. Hell, I'm starting to think SY might go out and buy a new toy for us. Chychrun? Meier? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted February 19, 2023 We're in the hunt for a wildcard spot along with several other teams. Yzerman has re-signed Maata and taken Bertuzzi off the market. Indicating he's more interested in pursuing the playoffs than acquiring future assets. 1. He wants to make the playoffs regardless of cup chances. Probably for a couple reasons. He wants to see how this team performs in a playoff situation. Who steps up? Who caves? Is Bertuzzi really the playoff buzzsaw the league expects him to be? Is Larkin someone who can lead this team to a cup? Regardless of that - it also gives this team and its young players a glance into the next level that is the playoffs. An experience I'm sure he wants everyone to get sooner rather than later. 2. SY is already fulfilled by his prospect pool. He likes his young core, and doesn't feel the heavy need for future assets that we had in the past anymore. This should lend a tremendous amount of faith to the players already in the system. Edvinsson, Wallinder, Albert Johansson, Anton Johansson, and Buium are all likely as good as we suspect. Buchnelikov, Lombardi, Kasper, Mazur, Hanas, Berggren, and Soderblom are likely as good as we suspect. But also Seider, Larkin, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Hronek, Vrana, Ras, Veleno, and Husso he is happy with. 3. Vrana and Bertuzzi are our deadline additions. Both are returning to form and will likely be an incredible boost to this team. Think about it. They were both penned into our top6 this summer - but neither has really played - till now. 4. Doesn't this make us buyers? I don't think SY would hedge our future for a rental. If he acquires, it will be a meaningful piece he intends to keep. Chychrun and Meier might be too expensive. Maybe he sneaks in and acquires one after the rest of the teams panic buy other assets. But I think he likely goes after low impact assets or stands pat. Loww impact assets like Kulikov - Domi or Barbashev or Gavrikov could be interesting too. Regardless - I think it's interesting that SY is forcing this team forward. I wonder how much of this is him being organic, and how much is this pressure to return the team to form from ownership. 1 CupCrazy22 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted February 19, 2023 5. Illitch wants 2 playoff games of revenue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CupCrazy22 8 Report post Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Walman6million said: Yeah this is literally r-slurred. And his previous article was "wings should trade Eddogg for Jiricek." Ignore. Yep! 22 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: im in it too! That's awesome. Decent group, but most have zero clue! It's actually mind blowing. Edited February 19, 2023 by CupCrazy22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,132 Report post Posted February 19, 2023 I have a feeling that since The Wings are only 3 points out of the wildcard spot with games in hand on The Isles, Caps and Panthers, we can forget about a Bertuzzi and/or Larkin trade. I feel that Yzerman is going to stand firm with this team (unless he dumps Vrana (unfortunately)) and IF they can squeak into that spot, it'll be a huge learning experience for this young team. Even if they don't make it, the experience they'll get by just being in the race is valuable! Yzerman made his UFA choices last summer with the intent on getting better and making progress. Well, being this close to the playoffs, and possible making it is the progress I believe he was looking for. Extending Maata only proves that he is very happy with this team and the additions he made. Of course, it may mean a 1st round exit, but it's still experience and gives them hunger to do even better next season. So with that, I am not sure Yzerman will be too active come March 3. He may be able to move Haag or Oesterle or even Ned and Erne, but I believe that both Larkin and Bertuzzi will get their extensions and be two of the cornerstones of this team going forward into glory. This is all just speculation on my end of course, but if you're this close to the playoffs, and possibly make it, why trade away one or two of the pieces that got you there? I get it, there is always the chance that they'll walk for free, and the TDL is when their value is highest, but if negotiations stall, they can always be dealt on draft day, or right up to before they become UFA. They return won't be as high as the TDL, but it would still be good, and they won't walk for free. Neither of them have NTC/NMC so there are 31 teams you can trade them to, I am sure someone will pay a good price for either of them at the draft. Give Larkin the 8x$9M and Bertuzzi 4x$6M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
