GDT 4/2/23 Wings @ Maple Leafs: The Kaspering

[kipwinger 8,771]

Stylistically Kasper reminds me most of noted sh*t stirrer Ryan Kesler. Big, fast, strong, in-your-face , good around the net, two way center.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

At this point, I just want to see OUR DRAFT PICKS play.  Not guys Yzerman had a hard on for 12 years ago when he was in Tampa.

[marcaractac 3,963]

5 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

At this point, I just want to see OUR DRAFT PICKS play.  Not guys Yzerman had a hard on for 12 years ago when he was in Tampa.

Do you ever think that the draft picks play well with the Wings BECAUSE time was taken to properly develop them first?

They get to play when they are ready. Not for the sake of it. 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 hours ago, marcaractac said:

Do you ever think that the draft picks play well with the Wings BECAUSE time was taken to properly develop them first?

They get to play when they are ready. Not for the sake of it. 

No.  Edvinsson has been 6'6" and a good skater for 2 years now.  His AHL time was a waste.  Same with Kasper.  Some guys need the development time.  Some dont.

[kipwinger 8,771]

Edvinsson was pretty raw during training camp. He was turning the puck over A LOT and wasn't defending well. I suppose you could make the argument that he could have learned to manage those parts of his game in the NHL but I tend to agree that the NHL is not for development. In the video I posted in the other thread Edvinsson said himself that the jump from Europe to the AHL was much bigger than from the AHL to the NHL.

Edited April 4, 2023 by kipwinger

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Edvinsson was pretty raw during training camp. He was turning the puck over A LOT and wasn't defending well. I suppose you could make the argument that he could have learned to manage those parts of his game in the NHL but I tend to agree that the NHL is not for development. In the video I posted in the other threat Edvinsson said himself that the jump from Europe to the AHL was much bigger than from the AHL to the NHL.

Its not like we were going to contend for the cup with Ed, Kasper, Wallinder, and Johansson in the roster this year, but I feel like we do A LOT better with them than with Haag, Osterle, Luff, Czarnik, Erne, etc.  I just dont get the point of not playing your BEST players.  A team/coach should play its best players.  And Kasper and Edvinsson are top 23 guys in the organization and have been since their draft days.  

[kipwinger 8,771]

9 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Its not like we were going to contend for the cup with Ed, Kasper, Wallinder, and Johansson in the roster this year, but I feel like we do A LOT better with them than with Haag, Osterle, Luff, Czarnik, Erne, etc.  I just dont get the point of not playing your BEST players.  A team/coach should play its best players.  And Kasper and Edvinsson are top 23 guys in the organization and have been since their draft days.  

I don't agree that they're our "best players". They're our players with the most potential. There's a difference. Kasper, for instance, wasn't even the best center on his SHL team. That would be Adam Tambellini by a pretty sizeable margin. That dude never even made the NHL, not a single game, and he was MUCH better than Kasper this year. Similarly, for most of the year Edvinsson wasn't even close to the best defender for the Griffins. He was heavily sheltered until he started to figure his game out. If you want the best players to play, and not the players with the most upside, then you're going to be stuck with the Oesterles/Ernes/Haggs of the world for a bit while your young guys are young and improving. Seider, and to a lesser extent Raymond, are the exceptions and not the rule.

[Axl Foley 334]

56 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Its not like we were going to contend for the cup with Ed, Kasper, Wallinder, and Johansson in the roster this year, but I feel like we do A LOT better with them than with Haag, Osterle, Luff, Czarnik, Erne, etc.  I just dont get the point of not playing your BEST players.  A team/coach should play its best players.  And Kasper and Edvinsson are top 23 guys in the organization and have been since their draft days.  

It I need cannon fodder, I use my grunts. Not my Green Berets.

[Akakabuto 1,863]

27 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

It I need cannon fodder, I use my grunts. Not my Green Berets.

Top new recruits makes poor tank commanders

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

5 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I don't agree that they're our "best players". They're our players with the most potential. There's a difference. Kasper, for instance, wasn't even the best center on his SHL team. That would be Adam Tambellini by a pretty sizeable margin. That dude never even made the NHL, not a single game, and he was MUCH better than Kasper this year. Similarly, for most of the year Edvinsson wasn't even close to the best defender for the Griffins. He was heavily sheltered until he started to figure his game out. If you want the best players to play, and not the players with the most upside, then you're going to be stuck with the Oesterles/Ernes/Haggs of the world for a bit while your young guys are young and improving. Seider, and to a lesser extent Raymond, are the exceptions and not the rule.

I disagree with your evaluation, but I do respect your opinion.

[Walman6million 250]

1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I disagree with your evaluation, but I do respect your opinion.

I agree with your evaluation, but i do not respect your opinion.

[kipwinger 8,771]

Berggren is on a line with Luff and Czarnik tonight. What else does that guy have to do to play with talented players?

[marcaractac 3,963]

10 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Berggren is on a line with Luff and Czarnik tonight. What else does that guy have to do to play with talented players?

He'd be a Calder candidate if he was put in the same position to succeed as Raymond. 

[kipwinger 8,771]

In a way it's almost a weird vote of confidence because it's like "Hey, we know you'll get scoring chances even if we put you with total puds". Sucks for him though.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

14 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Berggren is on a line with Luff and Czarnik tonight. What else does that guy have to do to play with talented players?

 

4 hours ago, marcaractac said:

He'd be a Calder candidate if he was put in the same position to succeed as Raymond. 

I love Bergrren but Raymond looks like Patrice Bergeron compared to him. He's just not good enough (yet) in his own end to be trusted consistently in the top 6. Not on an Yzerman team. 

[kipwinger 8,771]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

 

I love Bergrren but Raymond looks like Patrice Bergeron compared to him. He's just not good enough (yet) in his own end to be trusted consistently in the top 6. Not on an Yzerman team. 

We clearly see him very differently. I was just thinking the other day that he works his ass off defensively. He's a solid forechecker and he's always hustling and pestering puck carriers on the back check. He's not Dylan Larkin or anything but he does take his defensive assignments seriously and works at it IMO.

[Akakabuto 1,863]

The Kaspering comes to a quick halt

[Walman6million 250]

10 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

The Kaspering comes to a quick halt

Feels bad man

[town123 236]

Well that sucks

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

And THANKS for jinxing our fun, Kip.  You just HAD to be right with your development mumbo jumbo stuff.  Jerk

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

18 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

The Kaspering comes to a quick halt

Can't find the article, but thought I had read this was an issue he had been having for a bit and played through. So if he did what he did in SHL with the injury can't wait to see what he can do when fully healthy.

Next year is going to be bright I believe. 

[kipwinger 8,771]

 

Shutting him down was the right call, even if the injury hadn't been so serious. He's way too young, and the stakes are way too low right now, for him to be playing through injuries like this.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

14 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

 

Shutting him down was the right call, even if the injury hadn't been so serious. He's way too young, and the stakes are way too low right now, for him to be playing through injuries like this.

The headline here is that this 18 year old played most or some of a game with a broken knee cap. Going to be a total nightmare to play against. 

[town123 236]

How the hell do you even skate with a broken kneecap?   And only 6 weeks recovery?

[kipwinger 8,771]

Any word on how Ben Chiarot is responsible for breaking a rookie's kneecap?