2024 Draft

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

18 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Youre underestimating.

I dont see anyone getting more than Larkin

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 136]

9 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I dont see anyone getting more than Larkin

That I agree with. 

[Axl Foley 334]

1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I dont see anyone getting more than Larkin

Agreed. Seider will be hard pressed to prove his limited resume deserves more money than Larkin's body of work.

[kipwinger 8,756]

Starting to see more mock drafts having Cole Eiserman available at 15. I love this dude. Has Matthew Tkachuk written all over him. Super competitive, fiery, can score from anywhere and doesn't like to lose. The knock on him is that he play an undisciplined and unrefined game. So what? If he's available at 15 I think you take him all day long if you're Detroit.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

10 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Starting to see more mock drafts having Cole Eiserman available at 15. I love this dude. Has Matthew Tkachuk written all over him. Super competitive, fiery, can score from anywhere and doesn't like to lose. The knock on him is that he play an undisciplined and unrefined game. So what? If he's available at 15 I think you take him all day long if you're Detroit.

Fingers crossed

[kipwinger 8,756]

Just now, Scott R Lucidi said:

Fingers crossed

If we can build around this core for a few years we're winning Cups:

 

???-Danielson-Raymond

Eiserman-Kasper-???

 

???-Seider

Edvinsson-ASP

 

Cossa

Augustine

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

15 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

If we can build around this core for a few years we're winning Cups:

 

???-Danielson-Raymond

Eiserman-Kasper-???

 

???-Seider

Edvinsson-ASP

 

Cossa

Augustine

 

Lombardi is one of your ?.  Soon as he figures out how to do what he does now for 30 seconds a game the whole game, he's going to tilt the ice.  He just needs gym time and maturity.  Johansson will be another ?.  But he will play with ASP.  

 

? - Danielson - Raymond

Eiserman - Lombardi - Kasper

Rasmussen - Veleno - Berggren

Buchelnikov - Finnie - Mazur

Soderblom/James

Edvinsson - Seider

Johansson - ASP

Wallinder - Tuomisto

Buium

Augustine

Cossa

 

Not sure how we're going to find that Neely/Shanahan piece we are missing.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 136]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

???-Danielson-Raymond

Eiserman-Kasper-???

 

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

? - Danielson - Raymond

Eiserman - Lombardi - Kasper

Rasmussen - Veleno - Berggren

Buchelnikov - Finnie - Mazur

Soderblom/James

Edvinsson - Seider

Johansson - ASP

Wallinder - Tuomisto

Buium

Augustine

Cossa

Wtf is Larkin in these scenarios?

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

37 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

 

Wtf is Larkin in these scenarios?

We're discussing post Larkin core.

[LeftWinger 5,132]

Would you trade the #15 in a package for a legit, under 25 year old, #1a/#2 C? Or will the need for a scoring winger be more important to draft?

[Motor City Mullets 304]

On 5/14/2024 at 2:07 PM, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

 

Wtf is Larkin in these scenarios?

Retired.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 136]

On 5/14/2024 at 5:14 PM, Scott R Lucidi said:

We're discussing post Larkin core.

Larkin will still be a top player on this team for the next 10+ years. Half those players will either not make it or be traded by then and therell be kids from the upcoming drafts and players currently on other teams playing in ther spot. Point is its dumb to talk about a "post Larkin core" if your talking core you dont leave out your best player and captain who is only 27.

[Motor City Mullets 304]

44 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Larkin will still be a top player on this team for the next 10+ years. Half those players will either not make it or be traded by then and therell be kids from the upcoming drafts and players currently on other teams playing in ther spot. Point is its dumb to talk about a "post Larkin core" if your talking core you dont leave out your best player and captain who is only 27.

Larkin will be 28 come puck drop in October...He has many miles on the odometer already, plays hard 2-way hockey minutes, already missed a fair amount of time courtesy of injuries, and he's not getting any younger.

I hate to be that guy, but I will...D-Boss has 3, or 4 more years of 'prime' hockey in him...Fom there he'll  regress slowly, but he will finish his career a Red Wing (courtesy of the 8 yr deal).

Will he hoist the Cup? Long shot at best if he stays with Detroit, look how many years and playoff games won/loss before Yzerman won it in '97 - Larkin doesn't have Yzerman's talent, the playoff experience, nor the teammates...Just bloody hard core facts is all.

[Motor City Mullets 304]

On 5/13/2024 at 7:42 PM, Scott R Lucidi said:

I dont see anyone getting more than Larkin

Agreed.

Yzerman is 'old school' - best player on the team will stay top $$$...I could see Yzerman signing them to 'short' term deals that keeps them a RFA  when the contract expires (3 yr deal for Seider - 4 yr deal for Raymond - after that I could see them getting more)...8 year deals my also be on the table (for $$$ shy of  what D-Boss is making) as well (taking a handful of seasons of their UFA years).

Edited May 22, 2024 by Motor City Mullets

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 136]

34 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Larkin will be 28 come puck drop in October...He has many miles on the odometer already, plays hard 2-way hockey minutes, already missed a fair amount of time courtesy of injuries, and he's not getting any younger.

I hate to be that guy, but I will...D-Boss has 3, or 4 more years of 'prime' hockey in him...Fom there he'll  regress slowly, but he will finish his career a Red Wing (courtesy of the 8 yr deal).

Will he hoist the Cup? Long shot at best if he stays with Detroit, look how many years and playoff games won/loss before Yzerman won it in '97 - Larkin doesn't have Yzerman's talent, the playoff experience, nor the teammates...Just bloody hard core facts is all.

Prime hockey yes and when I said top player I should have been more specific. I obv didnt mean the top player on the team like he is now I meant a top6 player on the team. Maybe 10+ was a tad ambitious but imo Larkin will still be a top6 c at the age of 34 - in 6 years. Hopefully by that time Danielson has emerged as a 1c.

Im not sure if Larkin gets a cup in Detroit but I do think he retires a Red Wing and that cup window should be wide open by year 3 of his current contract.

[Motor City Mullets 304]

37 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Prime hockey yes and when I said top player I should have been more specific. I obv didnt mean the top player on the team like he is now I meant a top6 player on the team. Maybe 10+ was a tad ambitious but imo Larkin will still be a top6 c at the age of 34 - in 6 years. Hopefully by that time Danielson has emerged as a 1c.

Im not sure if Larkin gets a cup in Detroit but I do think he retires a Red Wing and that cup window should be wide open by year 3 of his current contract.

Yr 3 if we are lucky…Our prospects would have to mature hella fast and absorb a poop-ton of playoff hockey experience for the Red Wings to do anything - be it making the playoffs or getting past the 1st round.

EDIT - regarding this years draft - looking back at what we have had in years past...

Mantha - gone

Bertuzzi - gone

Hronek - gone

Zadina - gone

Cholowski - gone

Svechnikov - gone

These guys have been replaced with any combo of trades/UFA signings...Granted we're better, but at #15 in a rather ordinary draft - is Yzerman better off packaging this pick for a legit roster player from a rival? Taking into consideration where we are at and D-Boss - f***-yeah I say Grand Master Y needs to work some magic on his iPhone.

Edited May 22, 2024 by Motor City Mullets

[Axl Foley 334]

You guys are overly optimistic about Kasper and Danielson. 

[Motor City Mullets 304]

2 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

You guys are overly optimistic about Kasper and Danielson. 

Exactly...

These 2 could wind up 3rd line drones...I recall having a hearty chuckle when Wings fans got all excited over Veleno bulking up over the summer a few years ago (some referring him as Joe Swolleno)...WTF did that ever do to help his game? He never was, nor will he be a physical beast on the ice...

[mackel 764]

3 hours ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Yr 3 if we are lucky…Our prospects would have to mature hella fast and absorb a poop-ton of playoff hockey experience for the Red Wings to do anything - be it making the playoffs or getting past the 1st round.

EDIT - regarding this years draft - looking back at what we have had in years past...

Mantha - gone

Bertuzzi - gone

Hronek - gone

Zadina - gone

Cholowski - gone

Svechnikov - gone

These guys have been replaced with any combo of trades/UFA signings...Granted we're better, but at #15 in a rather ordinary draft - is Yzerman better off packaging this pick for a legit roster player from a rival? Taking into consideration where we are at and D-Boss - f***-yeah I say Grand Master Y needs to work some magic on his iPhone.

I'd really like to add Zegras.  I think pairing him with Copp or Compher as one of his wingers would mitigate his defensive lapses.  The other winger is TBD.

I know he's not an "Yzerman type" but we need some high end skill on this team not just 2-way 35 point middle 6'ers.

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

On 5/14/2024 at 11:54 AM, kipwinger said:

Starting to see more mock drafts having Cole Eiserman available at 15. I love this dude. Has Matthew Tkachuk written all over him. Super competitive, fiery, can score from anywhere and doesn't like to lose. The knock on him is that he play an undisciplined and unrefined game. So what? If he's available at 15 I think you take him all day long if you're Detroit.

Some are calling him a yearly potential 40 goal guy.

[LeftWinger 5,132]

On 5/14/2024 at 11:54 AM, kipwinger said:

Starting to see more mock drafts having Cole Eiserman available at 15. I love this dude. Has Matthew Tkachuk written all over him. Super competitive, fiery, can score from anywhere and doesn't like to lose. The knock on him is that he play an undisciplined and unrefined game. So what? If he's available at 15 I think you take him all day long if you're Detroit.

I am still willing to bet that if Eiserman falls out of the top 10, Yzerman trades up to get him.

4 hours ago, mackel said:

I'd really like to add Zegras.  I think pairing him with Copp or Compher as one of his wingers would mitigate his defensive lapses.  The other winger is TBD.

I know he's not an "Yzerman type" but we need some high end skill on this team not just 2-way 35 point middle 6'ers.

If it would take the 15th, prospect and player, then do it. I'd rather offer our 2025 1st round pick though. I really think Eiserman can be ours this draft. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

A 40 goal scorer isnt going to drop to 15.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 136]

10 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I am still willing to bet that if Eiserman falls out of the top 10, Yzerman trades up to get him.

 

8 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

A 40 goal scorer isnt going to drop to 15.

I think even if Eiserman is there at 15 - not likely - Yzerman would pass on him. Ironically Eiserman isnt a Yzerman guy. I dont think hes trading up - hes more likely to trade the pick altogether - but if he did I think hed be more likely to be targetting Brandsegg-Nygard then Eiserman. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

 

I think even if Eiserman is there at 15 - not likely - Yzerman would pass on him. Ironically Eiserman isnt a Yzerman guy. I dont think hes trading up - hes more likely to trade the pick altogether - but if he did I think hed be more likely to be targetting Brandsegg-Nygard then Eiserman. 

Id like to see the SCAM do what ot takes to get Buium

[mackel 764]

2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

 

I think even if Eiserman is there at 15 - not likely - Yzerman would pass on him. Ironically Eiserman isnt a Yzerman guy. I dont think hes trading up - hes more likely to trade the pick altogether - but if he did I think hed be more likely to be targetting Brandsegg-Nygard then Eiserman. 

I agree and that's a problem... we have enough of that type, we need some pure skill guys.  We have the 200ft guys that can allow a skilled guy to flourish. 

13 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I am still willing to bet that if Eiserman falls out of the top 10, Yzerman trades up to get him.

If it would take the 15th, prospect and player, then do it. I'd rather offer our 2025 1st round pick though. I really think Eiserman can be ours this draft. 

I think 15, Berggren and one of Fabbri, Holl, Matta, Chairot (whichever they want) since they need we need to move cap out.