2024 Offseason Thread

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

Seravalli " multiple NHL GMs are stunned by the return for Walman "

Yzerman is either drunk or going full Holland

I want off yzerswildride

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

We're all WAY overthinking this and forgetting that most of the GM's in the league aren't Lawyers and Bankers.  They're former players that have 10th grade educations.  Yzerman is plugging guys into capfriendly and with an assistant helping him and trying to figure out a way to get to a number he likes.  So what is he looking at first?  Edvinsson, Chiarot, Gostisbehere, Johansson, Maatta, Walman.  That's a whole lot of left handed defensemen for 4 LHD roster spots.  He calls a former playing buddy in Grier (whom he worked with recently on Zadina) and asks him if he'll do him a solid and take Walman off his hands.  Grier agrees so long as Yzerman throws in a sweetener.  Yzerman gives him a 2nd.  Deal over.  The reality is that Walman was #6 on our LHD depth chart and making 3.5 mil over the next 2 years.  The SCAM wanted to dump that and did.  Nothing else to this.  Just a cap move.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

8 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

KR, stfu

Huh?

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

48 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Huh?

KRSmith

[LeftWinger 5,152]

6 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

KRSmith

Ok, but why would you quote me and say that? If it's because of what I said  to me it looked like he shoved him away. It just looked odd.

 

 

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

12 hours ago, Dabura said:

It does make a big deal more feasible. But yeah, I'm kinda over this whole 4D chess thing. Yzerman's pretty much said that this rebuild's gonna take 90 years and that he can't pull a McDavid out of his hat so, welp, gotta be super-patient and keep swinging and missing on 2nd-round picks.

Prove me wrong, Steven. Do something truly wild.

I'm feeling like this this morning

Just because Walman was a hair better than the rest of our D doesnt mean hes good. There is Seider... and then the rest of the D is a turd sandwich. Walman is 3rd pair on a decent team. But here and in San Jose he plays top pair cause we blow ass on the backend. 

Hoping the considerations are Grier taking a Dman like Petry or Holl for a buyout. And then we buyout the other and we completely revamp the D with the money this summer. 

GET SEIDER A ******* DECENT PARTNER YZERWASHEDUPOLDCOONT

 

3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Ok, but why would you quote me and say that? If it's because of what I said  to me it looked like he shoved him away. It just looked odd.

 

 

Quote u by mistake! 

5 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Ok, but why would you quote me and say that? If it's because of what I said  to me it looked like he shoved him away. It just looked odd.

 

 

That didnt strike me... looked like Kane just wanted to boast in front of the chicago crowd b4 he got swarmed. Hes hugging and ass tapping walman 10 sec later.

[kipwinger 8,770]

NHL executives drive me crazy sometimes. Hronek at 7.2 million is way too much but Holl and Petry at 5.7 million combined is fine. Likewise a 1st and 3rd is too rich for SY to trade for Noah Hanifin but he'll pull a 2nd out of his hat to trade Jake Walman for nothing.

For a team that badly needs decent defensemen we don't handle those particular assets especially well.

Also: If this move was just SY clearing the deck to sign candyass Patrick Kane I'm going to be really disappointed.

Edited June 26, 2024 by kipwinger

[Motor City Mullets 315]

9 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Seravalli " multiple NHL GMs are stunned by the return for Walman "

Yzerman is either drunk or going full Holland

I want off yzerswildride

This morning on Sirius XM radio Friedman and the morning hosts talked about how  something is up with Saul and the gang...These next few weeks could be interesting.

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

21 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said:

This morning on Sirius XM radio Friedman and the morning hosts talked about how  something is up with Saul and the gang...These next few weeks could be interesting.

What was said? Working the phones like a mumbai call center?

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

The more I talk to other fans, the more im returning to earth on the Walman trade.

We (detroit fans) overvalued the hell out of him. Called my Avs buddy, who knows seemingly every player in the league and then some, and he literally said "who?" when I brought up the Walman trade.

Just cause he was Seiders partner doesnt mean squat to anyone else. He's a dime a dozen bottom pairing Dman like Hagg or Oesterle. And no one was going to claim him on waivers at his caphit. 

Furthermore, every team wants SJS to take on their cap dumps right now... and they only have room for so many of those. SY made sure he was first to the trough on that one. But he had to pay for it, and the Gibson deal was very good, and evened that out. 

This was indeed a cap clear and nothing more. But the good news is SY now has more room to make us better. 

Edited June 26, 2024 by Jimmybigrigs69

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

1 minute ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

The more I talk to other fans, the more im returning to earth on the Walman trade.

We (detroit fans) overvalued the hell out of him. Called my Avs buddy, who knows seemingly every player in the league and then some, and he literally said "who?" when I brought up the Walman trade.

Just cause he was Seiders partner doesnt mean squat to anyone else. He's a dime a dozen bottom pairing Dman like Hagg or Oesterle. And no one was going to claim him on waivers at his caphit. 

Furthermore, every team wants SJS to take on their cap dumps right now... and they only have room for so many of those. SY made sure he was first to the trough on that one. But he had to pay for it, and the Gibson deal was very good, and evened that out. 

This was indeed a cap clear and nothing more. But the good news is SY now has more room to make us better. 

Don't we always overvalue our guys? 

What is the limit on taking cap dumps 2,3, 5 as many as you want?

saw this just now during lunch 

 https://x.com/DetroitJoeChapp/status/1805968680544563486

pot was stirred yesterday 

[LeftWinger 5,152]

I think I figured out the "future considerations" Detroit will get from San Jose. They draft 14th, Detroit 15th, maybe the deal is that if a certain player is there at 14, they don't draft him and let him go to 15. We'll never know though if this is the deal since we never see what happens behind the doors.

Edited June 26, 2024 by LeftWinger

[LeftWinger 5,152]

39 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Don't we always overvalue our guys? 

What is the limit on taking cap dumps 2,3, 5 as many as you want?

saw this just now during lunch 

 https://x.com/DetroitJoeChapp/status/1805968680544563486

pot was stirred yesterday 

Interesting. Can't wait to see!

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

NHL executives drive me crazy sometimes. Hronek at 7.2 million is way too much but Holl and Petry at 5.7 million combined is fine. Likewise a 1st and 3rd is too rich for SY to trade for Noah Hanifin but he'll pull a 2nd out of his hat to trade Jake Walman for nothing.

For a team that badly needs decent defensemen we don't handle those particular assets especially well.

Also: If this move was just SY clearing the deck to sign candyass Patrick Kane I'm going to be really disappointed.

Dude, that's why I was beating the drum for Lindholm.  The SCAM needed to jump in there and give him top dollar.  He's a top 4 guy on ANY TEAM in the entire NHL.  And he's at the start of his prime.  8 years, 80 million would have locked us up our Seider partner and allowed us to have Edvinsson-ASP as a second pairing.  Those top 4 would have solidified our defense for 10-12 years straight.  Yzerman is prudent, and there are plusses to not going balls on a big ticket UFA.  But that opportunity to lock up a 1B Dman at the start of his prime comes along once every 50 years.  You gotta score on that.  It's like getting a developed top 3 draft pick without having to have an entire sucky season.  We had the space, and instead - look what we did with it.  Gost 4, Holl 3, Petry 3.  

[Motor City Mullets 315]

1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

What was said? Working the phones like a mumbai call center?

My impression was they were unsure what Yzerman/Grier have up their sleeves...Sumthin may be brewing...

22 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I think I figured out the "future considerations" Detroit will get from San Jose. They draft 14th, Detroit 15th, maybe the deal is that if a certain player is there at 14, they don't draft him and let him go to 15. We'll never know though if this is the deal since we never see what happens behind the doors.

This could be what it boils down to - a swap, or a 'gentlemans' agreement between the 2 GMs.

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

5 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said:

My impression was they were unsure what Yzerman/Grier have up their sleeves...Sumthin may be brewing...

This could be what it boils down to - a swap, or a 'gentlemans' agreement between the 2 GMs.

 

yah, i think it's a small thing like that too.  I think everybody liked Walman because of what he showed us once in a while with his skill.  But I think Edvinsson, Johansson, Wallinder, and Buium made Walman very expendable.  That's a 2.5 mil cap hit savings, and we needed to make the room for the prospects as we can't keep them down in the AHL any longer.  Would not be surprised to see Maatta on the block at the deadline and possibly Chiagard.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 142]

13 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Every outlandish thing is possible except Walman being a s***bag (walman was a s***bag)

replace damaged good with s***bag below.

15 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Im not arguing that he could be damaged goods Im arguing that its unreasonable to think every gm knew it forcing Yzerman to attach a 2nd round pick just to get rid of him but not a single member of the media knew it. 

Its come out that gms didnt know about Walman+2nd being on the table and some said they would have been interested. Imo some woulda been interested in less then a 2nd.

13 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

They were in effect yesterday. More genius logic from our dumbest poster.

That quote was from this article

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-waiver-rules/

not something I pulled from my ass.

Im just trying to make sense of what happened. Maybe we never will or maybe there is more to the future considerations that will be revealed in the coming days/weeks.

[Dabura 12,232]

Hearing the Wings are looking at bringing back Teemu Pulkkinen. Could be risky, but Elliotte Freidman noted that Pulkkinen has put on 400 lbs, so he may be better equipped to handle the rough stuff than he was before. 9 yrs x $4 billion should get it done. Mike Grindline McAllister Timbits Ciravelli (TSNCNBCESPN Ontario) believes the Wings have expressed interest in legendary basketball player Michael Jordan. Though Jordan has never played hockey, he is quite tall. Could be a good add, given Husso's injury problems, though Yzerman has said he expects Husso to be fully healthy come training camp.

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

1 hour ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Don't we always overvalue our guys? 

What is the limit on taking cap dumps 2,3, 5 as many as you want?

saw this just now during lunch 

 https://x.com/DetroitJoeChapp/status/1805968680544563486

pot was stirred yesterday 

Nah I dont think we always do. But i think the fanbase collectively did on him bc he was logging big min with seider.

SJS can continue to take dumps so long as they have cap and roster spots

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

2 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

 

 https://x.com/DetroitJoeChapp/status/1805968680544563486

This tells me we are re-signing Christian Fischer and calling it an offseason

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

Wait theres more!!!

https://x.com/C_LongLGRW/status/1805890355750904186

saw this and about crapped my depends ....

[Axl Foley 334]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Dude, that's why I was beating the drum for Lindholm.  The SCAM needed to jump in there and give him top dollar.  He's a top 4 guy on ANY TEAM in the entire NHL.  And he's at the start of his prime.  8 years, 80 million would have locked us up our Seider partner and allowed us to have Edvinsson-ASP as a second pairing.  Those top 4 would have solidified our defense for 10-12 years straight.  Yzerman is prudent, and there are plusses to not going balls on a big ticket UFA.  But that opportunity to lock up a 1B Dman at the start of his prime comes along once every 50 years.  You gotta score on that.  It's like getting a developed top 3 draft pick without having to have an entire sucky season.  We had the space, and instead - look what we did with it.  Gost 4, Holl 3, Petry 3.  

You cant just assume that Lindholm and Seider would make a good pair. There is a reason Walman was Mo's partner over other higher paid dmen.

Chelios and Lidstrom were 2 of the best dmen to ever play the game, and opposite handedness, and yet they rarely ever played together because they didn't gel as a pair.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

4 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

You cant just assume that Lindholm and Seider would make a good pair. There is a reason Walman was Mo's partner over other higher paid dmen.

Chelios and Lidstrom were 2 of the best dmen to ever play the game, and opposite handedness, and yet they rarely ever played together because they didn't gel as a pair.

I'm not saying we HAD to play Lindholm with Seider.  I'm saying our defense would suck A LOT LESS had we acquired him.  You cannot tell me that you believe Gost/Holl/Petry offer us more value than Lindholm alone.

[Jimmybigrigs69 465]

20 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Seravalli " multiple NHL GMs are stunned by the return for Walman "

Yzerman is either drunk or going full Holland

I want off yzerswildride

Servallli continues, reporting multiple other GMs were not made aware of Walmans availability and they commented they would have certainly sent traded assets for Walman. 

SCAM was a joke, but it might be becoming real if something doesn’t transpire with SJS in the next week...

Edited June 27, 2024 by Jimmybigrigs69

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

26 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Servallli continues, reporting multiple other GMs were not made aware of Walmans availability and they commented they would have certainly sent traded assets for Walman. 

SCAM was a joke, but it might be becoming real if something doesn’t transpire with SJS in the next week...

The SCAM is a master on draft day.  He is known for his ability to move into better positions.  His roster management is suspect so far, tho.