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#2491518 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:46 PM

This season was a waste when we played with ToToo, Samuelsson, Bertuzi and Cleary prior to the season start and didn't address defense. . Holland has been incapable of making trades

or acquiring talent unless the talent was Michigan bred and wanting to play for the winged wheel. The team has been in decline the last few years with no rudder or vision for the long term.

I have no issue with weeding out some of the young talent we don't want or won't need in trade for solid proven players...Ryan, Vanek etc....but this move was desperation and is more of the same.

Holland lost me last year.

Up until half of your last sentence I couldn't have said it better myself. 


I don't think that will be the case, since the scouting department has been pretty consistent.

Well if that was the case they should have hung onto Jarnkrok. We have nothing else. He could have dealt from strength like our D prospects that we have like almost too many of to have in GR.




#2491510 Injury Updates

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:39 PM

I'm sure that Weiss is just, if not more, frustrated by his injury and his inability to perform for the team, DD.  So let's give him the benefit of the doubt when he comes back healthy that he'll do just what is needed. Kill it.

 

If he can't. ...and we're talking about a player that's "broken."  Then we'll definitely headed in a different direction with him.

 

...but he still deserves some patience.  It's not as if he's faking injury or holding out on us.

I wouldn't suggest he is faking an injury. I just think the more time that passes the harder it will be for him to be an effective player for us - for mental reasons and physical reasons (being out so long). The more the frustration mounts for him the more likely it is that he over-does it out there and ends up playing worse than better with all that pressure. Thats all I wanted to say. I wasn't trying to criticize the guy - just stating the point that its tough and getting tougher. 




#2491493 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:20 PM

 

Haha, 4 cups since he's been here, I'm pretty sure the only place to go after you win a cup is down.  Never mind those cups fell in his lap, those were all Bowman's work , even the one in 2008 after he was no where even close to the franchise.  It will be 6 years without a cup if we don't win one this year....I mean 6 whole years.    ;)

The post was clearly marked "Recent moves." In the last 6 years we HAVE regressed significantly - you have to agree with that. 




#2491489 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:16 PM

 

This has been beaten to death but here we go again..those 2 were never going to play in Detroit, we offered just as much money, they wanted to play in MInny..end of story..it's been well documented 3243434 times on here.  But hey whatever you have to do to blame Holland for something. I mean all he good things he did just fell in his lap as you say? So he just sits in his office and the phone rings and guys just come here? Cmon

Sure - thats the deal breaker for you - overlook the rest and pick on that one thing. I said "to a lesser extent."




#2491468 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 10:48 PM

Recent bad moves:

 

Quincey for a 1st

Franzen over Hossa

Legwand for Jarnkrok +3rd

Letting Filppula walk

Signing Weiss to a 5 year contract without proving himself since injuries derailed his season past

Sammy 

Coliacovo

Tootoo

Cleary re-sign (also instead of Brunner which is partially not his fault)

To a lesser extent not going to extra mile to get Suter/Parise

Modano

 

and the worst of all...... not retiring when he said he would (when lids retired) - if he had we would be far better off.

 

Recent good moves:

 

Hossa fell in Holland's lap

Dekeyser fell in Holland's lap

Alfie fell in Holland's lap

Getting Stuart originally

Letting Leino Walk

 

Holland is doing far more damage than good to this team in my opinion. The team has consistently regressed. At this point I would prefer a fresh set of eyes to assess the current situation and go forward. I honestly don't give 2 s***s if Legwand is from Detroit - it isn't worth overpaying for him. I can only imagine Holland would have ponied up Nyquist + Mantha + Dekeyser for Kesler if Kesler was 33 instead of 30. He would have but Kesler isn't washed up enough for his taste. Players come to detroit and relax rather than work hard. The exception is Alfie and the rookies who are proving themselves. Bert, Cleary, Sammy, Weiss all came/re-signed here and just took it to signal the end of their careers and join the country club. I hope Legwand doesn't turn out that way. 




#2491156 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 06:14 PM

Holland is sure as hell ramping up the pressure on himself to draft a 1C in the next draft or two. This is the only way he can ever expect to survive the retirements of Datsyuk and Zetterberg and then Legwand and Weiss promptly along with them. We have NOTHING for the top 6 C outside of maybe Sheahan who may be over performing right now as we all projected him as a 3C at best. Helm will never be a top 6 C and we have SQUAT other than that. 

 

Holland better be looking to take our 1st, 2nd (if we have it) and move way up to get a player like Draisaitl or something because we are looking terrible at C depth now in the minors. 




#2491064 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 05:30 PM

This is why holland should just sit on his hands on deadline day. I think Jarnkrok + 1st could have gotten Edler and actually solved a problem for once. 


Also Holland said he wouldn't make a move for a rental - well that meant jack squat.




#2490923 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 04:45 PM

Holland is a fool. Playoffs this year appear to be more important than the future. We could have played Jarnkrok, tanked, got a top 10 pick. Drafted another top C prospect. Came back year after healthy and cut ties with old s***ty players, then we would be in a great situation. Instead we will fail once again to draft a top C prospect AND trade away the only one we have! Holland has no plan for the future of our C's clearly. We have to hold out hope Sheahan becomes a 1C and Andersson all of a sudden learns to skate and becomes a 2C. 




#2490913 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 04:41 PM

Everyone THINKS holland knows something we don't - what if he just f***ed up like with quincey, hossa, etc....




#2490856 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 04:27 PM

I can picture f***in Bert, Legwand, and Cleary laughing it up on a line together. FML. 




#2490824 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 04:21 PM

I think I might cry. Jarnkrok? I am in shock. How the hell did Holland make this deal? I could understand Jarnkrok in a trade involving Kesler but jesus you go and get Legwand! This is the Erat trade all over again. Polie is a genius clearly. 




#2490063 Official 2014 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 12:21 PM

i think we make one move just one and i think its going to be ernhoff but other than that im not sure if holland sits this year the streak is over 

The streak means nothing to me if we just band-aid up the team and never actually make a run at the cup. I'd rather miss the playoffs, get a decent asset at the draft, trade away Q for a pick, and then come back the next 2 years with better players and actually win one. 




#2489815 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by dirtydangles on 04 March 2014 - 09:43 PM

Well, what's it gonna be Kenny. 3 games this weekend, 2 important eastern conference games. If Helm and Datsyuk aren't good to go, and we don't make a deal, how the f*** can we compete with Andersson on the top line? The guy is a marginal NHL talent, if we were ever 100% healthy he should be up in the press box having a protein bar with Dano and Bert.

Andersson isn't an nhl player. Proved it tonight. We can find bottom liners that can PK like him and still pitch in. Andersson is slow as s*** and doesn't do much out there even strength. Even with Franzen and Nyquist he looked bad. 




#2489747 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by dirtydangles on 04 March 2014 - 09:30 PM

Ugh I had the feeling that would happen




#2489742 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by dirtydangles on 04 March 2014 - 09:29 PM

Franzen plays like an animal when wearing the "A"