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#2497515 What would it take a get Shea Weber?

Posted by dirtydangles on 20 March 2014 - 05:22 PM

David Poile is the same gm that got washington to trade filip forseberg for martin erat

Exactly - you add to my point. He is bending GMs over all over the place. Holland should steer clear of this crafty guy.

#2497509 3/20 GDT - Penguins 4 at Red Wings 5 (OT)

Posted by dirtydangles on 20 March 2014 - 05:10 PM

I'm thinking Glendening finally scores tonight off of some crazy deflection. 

#2495011 Red Wings have Recalled Pulkkinen from Grand Rapids

Posted by dirtydangles on 13 March 2014 - 02:51 PM

The one highlight of going to this game will be seeing Pulkkinen and the kids live. Obviously why I bought the tickets I wanted to see the Pavs/Z show.

#2494283 Evgeny Kuznetsov

Posted by dirtydangles on 11 March 2014 - 04:46 PM

If they are going to give him 4th line minutes they are not getting the best of Kuzia. He is the best when he is a real part of the team. Knowing Oates, Kuznetsov will be available for the right price soon. I would trade Mantha+ for him.


PS I followed his career closely. When something goes wrong, when game is on the line, when you are loosing the most important game of the season you put Kuznetsov on the ice. He usually find a way to score.

I'm sure the long term plan isn't to have him on the 4th line. They are just keeping the pressure off him and also avoiding relying too heavily on a rookie without disrupting team dynamics in the middle of a playoff push. He will work up the lineup soon.

#2494088 Andersson breaks foot - down another center

Posted by dirtydangles on 10 March 2014 - 03:47 PM

Fire the Strength and Conditioning coach. Something ain't right in the D.

Broken feet arent related to strength and conditioning. But the rest of the injuries could be.

#2493921 Howard = Average

Posted by dirtydangles on 09 March 2014 - 03:52 PM

There was some discussion in the GDT today about his rebound control and puck handling skills having an affect on the outcome of games. There HAS to be a reason why the team scores about 1 goal per game more in front of monster than howard. Often times I see a soft dump in that howie steers to the corner where the dman has to dig it out while the forecheck comes hard on them. Monster seems more capable of controlling that puck and settling it down for the dman to break out of the zone and defeat the forecheck. Thats just what I see. We seem to get trapped in our zone less. Howard also tends (in my opinion) to leave rebounds out on top of his crease that lead to mad scrambles in front of the net (especially in the last minutes of periods) whereas Monster has kicked more rebounds out wide or absorbed them. 


Worst of all I have seen howard give up on plays in 2 recent games where it lead directly to a goal (once in NJ). If anything, when down on your luck you should put in a full effort to give yourself a shot at success.

#2493723 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by dirtydangles on 09 March 2014 - 01:09 PM

Put monster in this period and we win 5-3....


Anyone know the goals for and against when each goalie plays?

I actually think there is something to be said for how goalies do the little things that affect wins. Rebound management, puck handling, communication all make a huge difference. I dislike when the puck comes in slow on howie and instead of steadying it for the dman beside the net he just chucks it into the corner and allows the forecheck to come in on the dman trying to dig it off the boards.

#2493680 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by dirtydangles on 09 March 2014 - 12:52 PM

girardi runs interference and nobody says s***

#2493569 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by dirtydangles on 09 March 2014 - 12:11 PM

God I can't stand the anti-Wings NBC commentating. ENOUGH with this bulls*** about intentional interference. Thats like a commentator saying the canucks are the best divers in the league (which they would never say). I'm sure all our rookies who have been with the team for less than 60 games already learned how to interfere without getting caught by taking special lessons from babcock who is the mastermind behind it all. 

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#2491524 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:52 PM

No, I agree the trade makes little sense, I'm just saying I wouldn't worry what happens five years from now, I think we'll be fine.

I used to think Holland planned like 10 years in the future but today proved that isn't really the case. I - just like you - just want to see the team hoist cups for many years to come. Lets hope you are right on this one!

#2491518 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:46 PM

This season was a waste when we played with ToToo, Samuelsson, Bertuzi and Cleary prior to the season start and didn't address defense. . Holland has been incapable of making trades

or acquiring talent unless the talent was Michigan bred and wanting to play for the winged wheel. The team has been in decline the last few years with no rudder or vision for the long term.

I have no issue with weeding out some of the young talent we don't want or won't need in trade for solid proven players...Ryan, Vanek etc....but this move was desperation and is more of the same.

Holland lost me last year.

Up until half of your last sentence I couldn't have said it better myself. 

I don't think that will be the case, since the scouting department has been pretty consistent.

Well if that was the case they should have hung onto Jarnkrok. We have nothing else. He could have dealt from strength like our D prospects that we have like almost too many of to have in GR.

#2491510 Injury Updates

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:39 PM

I'm sure that Weiss is just, if not more, frustrated by his injury and his inability to perform for the team, DD.  So let's give him the benefit of the doubt when he comes back healthy that he'll do just what is needed. Kill it.


If he can't. ...and we're talking about a player that's "broken."  Then we'll definitely headed in a different direction with him.


...but he still deserves some patience.  It's not as if he's faking injury or holding out on us.

I wouldn't suggest he is faking an injury. I just think the more time that passes the harder it will be for him to be an effective player for us - for mental reasons and physical reasons (being out so long). The more the frustration mounts for him the more likely it is that he over-does it out there and ends up playing worse than better with all that pressure. Thats all I wanted to say. I wasn't trying to criticize the guy - just stating the point that its tough and getting tougher. 

#2491493 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:20 PM


Haha, 4 cups since he's been here, I'm pretty sure the only place to go after you win a cup is down.  Never mind those cups fell in his lap, those were all Bowman's work , even the one in 2008 after he was no where even close to the franchise.  It will be 6 years without a cup if we don't win one this year....I mean 6 whole years.    ;)

The post was clearly marked "Recent moves." In the last 6 years we HAVE regressed significantly - you have to agree with that. 

#2491489 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 11:16 PM


This has been beaten to death but here we go again..those 2 were never going to play in Detroit, we offered just as much money, they wanted to play in MInny..end of story..it's been well documented 3243434 times on here.  But hey whatever you have to do to blame Holland for something. I mean all he good things he did just fell in his lap as you say? So he just sits in his office and the phone rings and guys just come here? Cmon

Sure - thats the deal breaker for you - overlook the rest and pick on that one thing. I said "to a lesser extent."

#2491468 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 10:48 PM

Recent bad moves:


Quincey for a 1st

Franzen over Hossa

Legwand for Jarnkrok +3rd

Letting Filppula walk

Signing Weiss to a 5 year contract without proving himself since injuries derailed his season past




Cleary re-sign (also instead of Brunner which is partially not his fault)

To a lesser extent not going to extra mile to get Suter/Parise



and the worst of all...... not retiring when he said he would (when lids retired) - if he had we would be far better off.


Recent good moves:


Hossa fell in Holland's lap

Dekeyser fell in Holland's lap

Alfie fell in Holland's lap

Getting Stuart originally

Letting Leino Walk


Holland is doing far more damage than good to this team in my opinion. The team has consistently regressed. At this point I would prefer a fresh set of eyes to assess the current situation and go forward. I honestly don't give 2 s***s if Legwand is from Detroit - it isn't worth overpaying for him. I can only imagine Holland would have ponied up Nyquist + Mantha + Dekeyser for Kesler if Kesler was 33 instead of 30. He would have but Kesler isn't washed up enough for his taste. Players come to detroit and relax rather than work hard. The exception is Alfie and the rookies who are proving themselves. Bert, Cleary, Sammy, Weiss all came/re-signed here and just took it to signal the end of their careers and join the country club. I hope Legwand doesn't turn out that way.