God I can't stand the anti-Wings NBC commentating. ENOUGH with this bulls*** about intentional interference. Thats like a commentator saying the canucks are the best divers in the league (which they would never say). I'm sure all our rookies who have been with the team for less than 60 games already learned how to interfere without getting caught by taking special lessons from babcock who is the mastermind behind it all.
No, I agree the trade makes little sense, I'm just saying I wouldn't worry what happens five years from now, I think we'll be fine.
I used to think Holland planned like 10 years in the future but today proved that isn't really the case. I - just like you - just want to see the team hoist cups for many years to come. Lets hope you are right on this one!
I'm sure that Weiss is just, if not more, frustrated by his injury and his inability to perform for the team, DD. So let's give him the benefit of the doubt when he comes back healthy that he'll do just what is needed. Kill it.
If he can't. ...and we're talking about a player that's "broken." Then we'll definitely headed in a different direction with him.
...but he still deserves some patience. It's not as if he's faking injury or holding out on us.
I wouldn't suggest he is faking an injury. I just think the more time that passes the harder it will be for him to be an effective player for us - for mental reasons and physical reasons (being out so long). The more the frustration mounts for him the more likely it is that he over-does it out there and ends up playing worse than better with all that pressure. Thats all I wanted to say. I wasn't trying to criticize the guy - just stating the point that its tough and getting tougher.
Haha, 4 cups since he's been here, I'm pretty sure the only place to go after you win a cup is down. Never mind those cups fell in his lap, those were all Bowman's work , even the one in 2008 after he was no where even close to the franchise. It will be 6 years without a cup if we don't win one this year....I mean 6 whole years.
The post was clearly marked "Recent moves." In the last 6 years we HAVE regressed significantly - you have to agree with that.
This has been beaten to death but here we go again..those 2 were never going to play in Detroit, we offered just as much money, they wanted to play in MInny..end of story..it's been well documented 3243434 times on here. But hey whatever you have to do to blame Holland for something. I mean all he good things he did just fell in his lap as you say? So he just sits in his office and the phone rings and guys just come here? Cmon
Sure - thats the deal breaker for you - overlook the rest and pick on that one thing. I said "to a lesser extent."
Signing Weiss to a 5 year contract without proving himself since injuries derailed his season past
Cleary re-sign (also instead of Brunner which is partially not his fault)
To a lesser extent not going to extra mile to get Suter/Parise
and the worst of all...... not retiring when he said he would (when lids retired) - if he had we would be far better off.
Recent good moves:
Hossa fell in Holland's lap
Dekeyser fell in Holland's lap
Alfie fell in Holland's lap
Getting Stuart originally
Letting Leino Walk
Holland is doing far more damage than good to this team in my opinion. The team has consistently regressed. At this point I would prefer a fresh set of eyes to assess the current situation and go forward. I honestly don't give 2 s***s if Legwand is from Detroit - it isn't worth overpaying for him. I can only imagine Holland would have ponied up Nyquist + Mantha + Dekeyser for Kesler if Kesler was 33 instead of 30. He would have but Kesler isn't washed up enough for his taste. Players come to detroit and relax rather than work hard. The exception is Alfie and the rookies who are proving themselves. Bert, Cleary, Sammy, Weiss all came/re-signed here and just took it to signal the end of their careers and join the country club. I hope Legwand doesn't turn out that way.
Holland is sure as hell ramping up the pressure on himself to draft a 1C in the next draft or two. This is the only way he can ever expect to survive the retirements of Datsyuk and Zetterberg and then Legwand and Weiss promptly along with them. We have NOTHING for the top 6 C outside of maybe Sheahan who may be over performing right now as we all projected him as a 3C at best. Helm will never be a top 6 C and we have SQUAT other than that.
Holland better be looking to take our 1st, 2nd (if we have it) and move way up to get a player like Draisaitl or something because we are looking terrible at C depth now in the minors.
Holland is a fool. Playoffs this year appear to be more important than the future. We could have played Jarnkrok, tanked, got a top 10 pick. Drafted another top C prospect. Came back year after healthy and cut ties with old s***ty players, then we would be in a great situation. Instead we will fail once again to draft a top C prospect AND trade away the only one we have! Holland has no plan for the future of our C's clearly. We have to hold out hope Sheahan becomes a 1C and Andersson all of a sudden learns to skate and becomes a 2C.
I think I might cry. Jarnkrok? I am in shock. How the hell did Holland make this deal? I could understand Jarnkrok in a trade involving Kesler but jesus you go and get Legwand! This is the Erat trade all over again. Polie is a genius clearly.
i think we make one move just one and i think its going to be ernhoff but other than that im not sure if holland sits this year the streak is over
The streak means nothing to me if we just band-aid up the team and never actually make a run at the cup. I'd rather miss the playoffs, get a decent asset at the draft, trade away Q for a pick, and then come back the next 2 years with better players and actually win one.