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Agreed it doesnt get Trouba, but how high of a cap-hit do you think he will be? Helm and Smith alone are 6.6 million.

Interesting question isn't it... assuming the Wings were interested in Trouba and had the assets to trade for him, our cap situation makes keeping him or anyone else difficult. With a number of over commitments to replaceable players like Big E, Helm, Howard, etc. Holland's cap and roster management skills are questionable, is Helm really a core player? I ask because we've committed to him as though he is.

Agreed.  It's fashionable to paint Kronwall as a career #2 guy who was in above his head, but that definitely wasn't the case.  His defense, point production, and powerplay contributions easily made him a legit #1 for a few years there.  If you can man the powerplay, play 20+ minutes a night, and score 40+ points a season you're a legit top defenseman.  Was he as good as Doughty, or Keith, or Subban?  No, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a top guy.

He wasn't a top guy, he was our top guy... these are two very different things.

Strongly disagree with this part. Larkin is a center - what other pontential top line centers do we have in the system? Even potential top 6 centers probably just include him and AA.
 
Also, Larkin is 6'2" - is that really small? Even if you put ish on the end, I disagree. He was 190 last year, but he was 19 and he'll put more weight on. I'm assuming you're comparing him to Gus and Tats and they are 5'10 and 5'11"
 
To me, trading Larkin would just create the hole in the 1C position, which is almost as hard to fill as 1D.

This is where we disagree, I see Larkin as a very good player... maybe OUR best center. BUT not a top center in the league. Much the way Kronwall is our #1D but isn't a true #1D, and as time passes he may not even be a true #2D at this point.

If Mantha was better than Larkin, he'd be on the team already. You don't trade larkin...ever. Mantha is a great prospect, but you'd have to give him up for someone like Trouba.

Fowler has more than just michigan connections, he was only born in Windsor, he grew up in Farmington. He's from michigan.

Larkin is a better version of players we already have fast, smallish, skilled. Mantha has a skillset our is lacking... size and natural scoring ability.

I would trade Larkin for a clear #1 or soon to be #1 D. But I'd want a sweetener thrown in.

Lmao why do you hate Americans

I don't hate Americans but if I have two players of more or less equal quality I'll take the Canadian every day of the week.

I'd add AA and DD to that, but everyone else open game. Including Mantha and ANY of our young D, yes, that means Marchenko too.

I'd start with Mantha, Marchenko, 1st and go from there...if they wanted Nyquist or Tatar, so be it.

You have to get Trouba. He'd get both tge money he wants AND the responsibility he desires. Him and DD? Killer!

Just waiting to see the trade topic to pop up! It's happening! Must happen! Can it? Please Kenny? Maybe? For us?

Manta is exactly the type of player this team needs. A big bodied, canadian power forward.

I'd overpay with Larkin and get a pick/prospect to even it out from WPG in a deal for Trouba. That said I'd rather get Tyson Barrie... but that's unlikely.