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Posted by Echolalia on 18 August 2014 - 08:54 PM

This is what I see facing Boston for Game 1
 
Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Nyquist-Weiss-Franzen
Tatar-Sheahan-Alfredsson
Miller-Helm-Cleary
Glendening/Andersson
 
Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Quincey
Smith-Kindl/Lashoff/Marchenko
 
Pretty, eh.

I like how it looks, actually, given the roster we have. I would switch Nyqvist and Alfie, though.


#2534500 Lidstrom honoured today with plaque next to Yzerman

Posted by Echolalia on 18 August 2014 - 03:22 PM

That plaque put 15 years onto him.  Still cool honor, though.




#2534180 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by Echolalia on 13 August 2014 - 05:27 PM

 
I'd add that in getting Gretzky you wouldn't sacrifice team defense, only individual defense.  Individually he's worse than Yzerman, no doubt.  But he's so much better of a possession player that your team defense would improve simply by virtue of having to play in the defensive zone so much less. 
 
But other than that, I agree with most of what you've said above. 


His plus/minus would imply otherwise. The guy was a consistent minus player throughout the last decade of his career (ie the 90s), which at the most fundamental level tells me that the strength of his possession game wasn't enough to keep the puck out of his own zone, nor out of his own net. The opposition consistently outscored his line. And I know +/- is a team stat and blah blah blah, but you'd think for someone who holds almost every offensive record in the books, and continued to produce at an elite level up until his retirement, he would have been able to have at the very least a decent plus minus for half those seasons, especially because that negative +/- was pretty consistent over three different teams (and who knows how many linemates) in the 90s.
The guy was an offensive god, but his defense was little to non existent. The real question is had the Wings acquired him, would he have been Bowman's example for the Wings to adapt a two-way game as Yzerman did, or would he have continued to do what made him famous? The last part is why in retrospect, I would have stuck with Yzerman (although in 1989 I would have made the trade 10 times out of 10).


#2534177 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Echolalia on 13 August 2014 - 04:21 PM

Good article. Also,

"Kronwall has remained an effective No. 1 defenseman for the team."

SUCK IT HATERZ


Ahem there are only seven #1 defensmen in the league, thus Kronwall is a #2 at best.


#2533570 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by Echolalia on 02 August 2014 - 08:16 PM

If we had a player like Subban and he was given this contract, I doubt many people here would be upset.  

I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't be that happy with anything over 7, and I wouldn't be able to tolerate anything over 8.


#2533542 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by Echolalia on 02 August 2014 - 02:49 PM

This cap hit seems like they used Quincey's contract as comparison.




#2533373 Red Wings add Jim Hiller and Andrew Brewer to coaching staff

Posted by Echolalia on 30 July 2014 - 01:38 PM

I really don't know much about these guys other than what I read so if anyone can shed some light on them please do. thanks.

No one ever knows much about any of the assistant coaches Babcock picks out, until 3 years later when they're the most desired coaching candidates in the league.


#2533268 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 29 July 2014 - 09:14 AM

 
Haven't you heard? Manny Legace's father-in-law told Leftwinger that Helm has no heart. :lol: If you feel differently, prepare to have your "love bubble" burst.
 
See: the current LGWs "prediction" thread.

The only think Leftwinger can burst is my blood vessel from laughing too hard.

Just kidding Lefty I love you.


But seriously. Lol.

But really seriously: keep the info coming from the sources.


#2533265 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 29 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Two things I noticed when I watched that video that Hockeytown posted:
1) Almost all of Tatar's goals came within 6 feet of the net. Tatar may have Hudler's size, but he has Helm's heart.
2) Several of those goals came in the third period, during a tie game or the Wings down by a goal. I wasn't sure whether there was any statistical significance so I rewatched the vid and came up with these numbers:
Tatar scored 4 first period goals, 7 second period goals, and 8 third period goals. This is especially impressive because the Wings only scored 8 third period goals all year (joke). Anyway, of those 8 goals in the third, the Wings were down or tied in 6 of those occasions (more specifically meaning his goal either tied the game or put the Wings in the lead. The one exception was when the Wings were down 3-1 to the Habs, when Tatar scored to make it 3-2. Then again to make it 3-3. I originally wasnt going to include the first goal, but because he scored the second one to tie it as well I decided to keep it in.) I didn't do any actual statistical analyses so take what you want from these values, but at the very least there may to be a trend that this kid gets better as the game progresses. I don't know how to statistically analyze "clutchness", or more specifically what the actual definition of clutch is. Scoring anytime in the third? Last 10 minutes? Down by 1? By 2? Anyway, someone with a better grasp of stats and clutchness can tackle this one.


#2533196 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 28 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

This is a good number, especially on a three year deal (and he's still an RFA when this contract expires??).
Like kip said, he's going to be a 20 goal scorer (he almost was last season), and he has that Helm like tenacity and heart, even if he doesn't have the 6'2" frame. The team seems to feed of his energy and he's capable of being an integral part of the team moving forward. The caphit this season will be slightly overvalued, unless he really grows as a hockey player this season, but the following two seasons if he really continues to develop, he just might be able to push 30 goals a season. This is a fair contract for both sides, but the potential deal in the second and third years outweighs any negatives the cap-hit brings.


#2533113 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by Echolalia on 28 July 2014 - 10:02 AM

Hmm I guess my predictions will be:

 

Smith still has a few brain-farts, but he becomes a LGW favorite this season.  Babs gives him an opportunity on the power play, and he doesn't give it up.

Cleary plays 10 games and is benched for the rest of the season.  He then finally calls it a career.

Weiss plays 50-60 games, looks much better than he did last year, but still not as good as he could be (and LGW expects).  He becomes the new whipping boy.

Howard has top 10 stats, half of LGW still argues that he's average.

Gustavsson is often injured, and when he plays he is out of position, loses sight of the puck, fumbles the puck in the crease, and will somehow still win us games.

Mrazek will play 10-15 games for the Wings this season, and look good in every game.

Wings will go on a 3 game losing streak, LGW will implode. 

Wings will go on a 3 game winning streak, LGW will believe this team is as good as the 2002 team.




#2533077 Winter is coming..

Posted by Echolalia on 27 July 2014 - 02:46 PM

I would pay the iron price for those.


#2532904 Bring in Loiselle or Poulin as assistant GMs?

Posted by Echolalia on 23 July 2014 - 08:03 PM

I don't want anything to do with the people who were a part of building a team who hasn't won a cup in 600 years. The guy that replaced them, some 20 something year old from the Sault, he sounds intriguing.


#2532868 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Echolalia on 23 July 2014 - 09:52 AM

 
I don't understand why Callahan doesn't just become the new Holmstrom?  He's clearly tough as hell, has a scoring touch around the crease, and isn't afraid to stand in front of slap shots.  Plus, he's actually good defensively and on special teams.
 
In another dimension (one where the Wings don't have Andersson or Cleary or Glendening on the opening night roster) I'd pencil this kid in as my fourth line winger, penalty killer, and net front on my 2nd PP unit. 

I like this. I think I mentioned a while back in another thread that we don't have any players that are consistently fighting for the tough areas in front of the net. Cleary used to be good at it, Abdelkader kinda, but his role on the team is constantly shifting. Jurco and Sheahan maybe as they continue to develop. Franzen? Lol. There's a niche waiting to be occupied, and as you mentioned, Callahan has thrived in the AHL with all the necessary tools.


#2532786 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Echolalia on 22 July 2014 - 11:46 AM

 
There are nice areas downtown no doubt. the problem is that there is almost the same amount of bad parts as well. Detroit is one of the largest cities in the country in terms of square miles, yet they are one of the only few cities to have a shrinking population. The city was built for a population of 2 million, not 600K. As a result you have a ton of areas that look like post apocalyptic war zone. They need to demolish these abandon neighborhoods and consolidate the city (easier said then done i know). but the city as is too big for the population that it has right now

There's a lot of effort going into blight removal. Duggan has appointed "district managers" to oversee their neck of the woods in terms of cataloging, identifying the owners, tearing down/selling abandoned buildings, and while that's a huge undertaking, the city has already made great strides in achieving their goals. Dan Gilbert is also heavily involved with this project, and has agreed to buy up a lot of these abandoned buildings and tear them down/renovate them. Many others that are salvageable have been put up for auction online, and folks have been buying up these houses, fixing them up, and moving in. So yeah, Detroit has it's problems. Everyone in the world is hip to that, and it's unfortunately become our label. What everyone doesn't know is how much things are actually going right, and how much effort is going into building the city back up, and how much progress has already been made. The blight removal is one such example. The arena and entertainment district will be another, and will be a capstone on years of investment put into both downtown and midtown.