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#2564937 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 04:01 PM

I think I figured out the lines, guys.  Babs is ALL about overcoming adversity and earning the right to feel good about yourself and working your way back up through the lineup, so anytime someone starts playing poorly, Babs gets excited because this is an opportunity for a player to grow, so he demotes them to the third or fourth line.  Except Sheahan has been on the club for over a year, now, and hasn't had a poor stretch yet. And Babs is baffled and upset because Sheahan hasn't had that opportunity to build character or whatever.  So Babcocks is all "whatever, I'll give you adversity myself!  Glendening!  Miller!  You guys are playing with Sheahan now!"  And that's the story of how Mike Babcock saved Sheahan from himself.

#2564797 '16 Winter Classic

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 08:05 PM

Rumor has it... In two years it will be held on the moon.


We feel there's an untapped market of abandoned lunar NASA equipment who could really grow the game of hockey.  My assistant also tells me that the moon is cold enough to maintain a "hockey climate", so really its Florida's market potential with Canada's climate.  What's not to like??

#2564794 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 07:06 PM



Well like Mike Babcock likes to say, you've got to earn more minutes and better linemates.  If Brendan Smith isn't getting the minutes or the linemates, it's because Babs doesn't think he deserves them.  Should be be gifted more opportunities just because?  I mean, ALL players will produce more with more minutes and better linemates.  That's a truism.  Doesn't mean you deserve them though.  Clearly the coach doesn't think he does. 


Oh, Smith screws up just as much as everyone else eh?  So why's he on the third pair?  Did Babs just arbitrarily decide Smith would be down there, despite being just as good as everyone else?


Of course not. 


Brendan Smith is on the third pair because he's not a better defenseman than Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, or Quincey.  Which, coincidentally, is why people focus on him more.  Because he's not as good.  And screws up more often. 


That, or Mike "Greatest Coach in the League" Babcock is actively trying to make this team worse because he doesn't like Smith.  I'm sure that's it. 


I can only focus on one of your obsessions at a time, so pick Babcock or Smith and lets just stick with one subject for the time being.

Yes, with just under two seasons of NHL experience, Smith is currently playing on the third line.  I'm not sure why this is so blasphemous.  Or is it because he was drafted in the first round that somehow means he needs to be a top 3 defenseman at this point in his career?  And to be completely honest, I think its a good place for him to play given where he is in his development and where he can contribute the best for the team.  Out of all the Wings' defensman, Smith is fourth behind Kronwall, Eriksson, and Kindl for giveaways/game, but Eriksson is a late round pick so I guess he doesn't count, and both Eriksson and Kronwall are on the first line, so apparently they're just better and we should ignore their screwups. Smith, however is our best defensman when it comes to takeaways per game, and he's also the best defensman in giveaway/takeaway ratio.  We've heard repeatedly that Babcock assesses performance on who has the puck after you, and who has the puck before you.  By this data Smith is doing quite well where he's placed in the roster because he's doing more for his team on the third line when it comes to gaining puck possession than any other defender is on any other line.  So keep him where he's helping the team out the most, and if an injury should happen to someone in the top four and Smith gets his chance to reproduce his value on a different line then good for him.  If not, he's still playing effective, possession-based hockey where he's at, and steadily improving as well.  And in the meantime people will continue to focus exclusively on Smith when he happens to lose the puck apparently because he's a third line defensman.  I personally prefer looking at all defensman (or any player for that matter) objectively and analyzing their play accordingly, regardless of what line they happen to play on or where they were drafted.

#2564789 '16 Winter Classic

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 06:25 PM

I wonder who'll be playing in the other 13 outdoor games

#2564749 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 02:26 PM

I hadn't realized Smith was playing particularly bad this season.  He has mistakes here and there, but so does Quincey, Dekeyser, Oulette, Kindl, Lashoff, Ericsson, and Kronwall.  Its funny how often Kronwall turns the puck over in the defensive zone, and yet its almost exclusively Smith that people latch onto and obsess over.

#2564403 1/18 GDT : Sabres 4 at Red Wings 6 (Z w/Hat Trick)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 January 2015 - 09:18 PM


Probably a lot of words that rhyme with puck. 

I think Babs just played the national anthem and drew a picture of an eagle on the marker board

#2564239 1/18 GDT : Sabres 4 at Red Wings 6 (Z w/Hat Trick)

Posted by Echolalia on 18 January 2015 - 04:18 PM

Because in Babcock's post-game interview last night, instead of being happy about his team scoring 5 goals he mumbled something about the team's sloppy play at times.

So tonight the Wings will be playing tight, defensive Babcock hockey and lose 2-1 in the shootout.


I don't agree with this notion that Babcock is coaching the team to play for super low scoring games that cripple any offense for the opponents as well as us.  Last year, yes, when the Wings were crippled with injuries the Wings were definitely playing very tight defensive hockey games and were very cautious.  Makes sense, as they simply didn't have the personelle to compete against other teams skill-wise.  This year its a different story.  Our defense have been pinching in the o zone regularly to keep the play alive, they've been carrying the puck deeper through the neutral zone on breakouts, our forwards have been playing to support the puck carrier down low rather than staying high to support our defense should a turnover occur (I'm pretty sure Tatar Sheahan and Jurco all play within 15 feet of the puck in the offensive zone at any given time).  Hell, the Wings' mantra for the first couple months of the season was play fast as hell on the forecheck, and suffocate the opposition in the offensive zone.  They got away from that I think in December, but the past few weeks I think the Wings have been playing similar to those first couple months.  I mean, yes, the Wings are responsible defensively, as any playoff team should be, but its clear that generating offense is part of the game plan as well. 

#2564150 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 17 January 2015 - 11:29 PM

Too bad Tampa and Montreal won, though.

No worries.  The Wings build up some more distance between themselves and the wildcard race, and still keep within striking range of the teams above them.

#2564131 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 17 January 2015 - 10:18 PM

I know its a relatively small sample size, but right now Mrazek's 2.12GAA would be good for top 5 in the league if he was ranked at nhl.com, and his .923% would be good for top 10.

#2564118 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 17 January 2015 - 09:37 PM

and Mrazek has been killing it in net.  He's putting up some really impressive numbers, and I'm hoping nhl.com decides to inlcude his name on the stat sheet so its easier to see where he sits league-wide.

#2564114 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 17 January 2015 - 09:35 PM

pour the wine were gettin CIVILIZED in herrrrr

#2563995 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 17 January 2015 - 07:34 PM

Whoa! I turn the game on, go upstairs to eat dinner with the old lady, come back and its 3-0. Niiiccceee!!



#2563988 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Echolalia on 17 January 2015 - 07:30 PM

Reminds me of NHL 15 playing the computer.


Lol it reminds me of when the computer plays me.

#2563839 1/15 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Blues 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 16 January 2015 - 09:54 PM

All the discussion in this thread made me interested to see how the Wings stacked up exclusively against playoff teams, as well as how other playoff teams compared.  Unfortunately I couldn't find anywhere online that conveniently had all this data organized, so I went through it all myself (as such there's bound to be errors).  Anyway, the following is a tally of the number of wins and losses (I did not count OT or shootout losses as a separate category, just W and L) of all the current playoff teams against each other, and organized from best percentage to worst:

1. Canadiens 13W    9L    22GP    59.1%

2. Ducks        14W    10L    24GP    58.3%

3. Islanders    14W    10L    24GP    58.3%

4. Predators  10W    8L    18GP    55.6%

5. Lightning   10W    9L    19GP    52.6%

6. Blackhawks 11W    10L    21GP    52.4%

7. Canucks    11W    10L    21GP    52.4%

8. Penguins   11W    10L    21GP    52.4%

9. Sharks       12W    11L    23GP    52.2%

10. Rangers   11W    11L    22GP    50%

11. Red Wings 9W    10L    19GP    47.4%

12. Blues        11W    13L    24GP    45.8%

13. Capitals    8W    10L    18GP    44.4%

14. Bruins       9W    13L    22GP    40.9%

15 Kings         8W    12L    20GP    40%

16 Jets            7W    15L    22GP    31.8%


A few things stuck out to me when i was compiling this data/looking over it.  1) The Wings have not played as many games against playoff opponents as many of the other teams on this list.  Essentially that confirms what most of us already know: the second half of the Wings' schedule will be considerably tougher than the first half.  But also, many of these teams may have a smoother road to the playoffs than us.  Although its still tough to gauge opposition quality with this list, because we aren't considering specifically what teams everyone has to face, as well as the relative difficulty of the nonplayoff teams that each team has to play.

Secondly, like the overall standings in the NHL, there really isn't a whole lot separating the majority of teams here.  The Canadians, Ducks, and Islanders are pretty comfortably a +500 team, the Jets and Kings are pretty well below 500.  The Bruins are too, but as they get healthier, they've been playing much better of late, so I'm hesitant to include them with the Jets and Kings, although for the sake of unbiased statistics they technically should be included in that bottom grouping.  But the other 10 teams on that list are each within 2 games of 500.  In other words, if the outcome of just one previous game went differently for any of these teams, they would find themselves at 500, or on the opposite side of 500 than they currently are.  So parody, I guess.

Some suprises:  I guess I never really considered the Canadiens to be as good as they are, because the Wings always seemed to be in striking distance of them, and something about their playoff run last year just seemed flukey to me.  But lo and behold they're actually the best team in the league against playoff teams at this point.  I was also suprised to the the Lightning as low as they are.  They've been getting a lot of hype, and probably rightfully so, but I was expecting them to have a better record than that.

Finally, I don't have any way to quantify this because I'm too lazy, but as I was tallying up the wins and losses, it was quite apparent how streaky some teams are.  Some of those records were 5-0, 7-2, 1-8, etc before eventually levelling off around 500.  I would have a good streak of wins tallied for some team and it would get me thinking "wow this team has been killing it", then all of a sudden December hits and the team goes on an equally as crazy losing streak, or vice versa.

#2563794 1/15 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Blues 2 (OT)

Posted by Echolalia on 16 January 2015 - 03:58 PM


I could've sworn we just went 4-2 on a road trip.  We are on a par with, or within touching distance of, every good team in the league.  We're over halfway through the season, there's only 6 points separating the top-10 teams, and we are in that grouping.  We're top-10 in points, PP, PK, Face-offs, SA and GA. 12th and 13th in GF and SF which some will no doubt see as evidence of our weakness, but still places us in the top half.  Whichever way you look at it, we're a good team.  The Toronto's and Colorado's of this world, every other team in the NHL gets to play them too, and guess what?  They haven't managed to separate themselves from us by beating up on this supposed trash that we couldn't beat.


And I'm not blaming anything on the SO, but it is a fact that some teams points totals are flattered by it, and others aren't.  We are in the latter category.


This is a good post.  The Wings are 7-3 in their last ten games, which is as hot as any team has been.  Yeah, we've lost to some teams that are below 500, and we've lost to some teams that are near the top of the league.  But we've also won a lot of those games, and those losses aren't something that's excusive to the Red Wings.  Every team has stinkers, losing streaks, loses against teams they should have beat, etc etc.  Its a long season; s*** happens.  The important thing in all of this is whether teams can tread water through adversity and not lose their footing in the standings.  Minnesota is having trouble with this.  Toronto is having trouble with this.  Detroit is in good shape right now.  We suffered a pretty nasty losing streak about a month ago, but still managed to get a lot of points from OT during that stretch.  Right now the Wings are without their number 1 and number 2 goalie.  Even so, they keep humming along, and as of this moment we're only three points out of first in our division, and Tampa has played two more games than us.