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#2347493 Helm: "Minor Setback", still out indefinitely, *merged*

Posted by Echolalia on 27 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

Ugh haven't we missed enough of this guy's awesomeness already??


#2344914 Jordin Tootoo: Usage? (6:57 TOI vs. Columbus)

Posted by Echolalia on 22 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

Ken and Mickey mentioned during the 1st period of tonight's game that Babs wanted to play Tootoo more than he did, but penalties altered the plan.  So there ya go.




#2344727 Nino Niederreiter's camp has requested a trade

Posted by Echolalia on 22 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

Islanders claim goalie through waivers.  Goalie refuses to play.

Islanders trade for defenseman.  Defensman refuses to play.

Islanders get a top-five pick.  Top-five pick requests to be traded.




#2344724 Red Wings Win, but Work Remains

Posted by Echolalia on 22 January 2013 - 05:04 PM

god, we've heard this way too many times on red wings live and wingspan. 10 GAME SEGMENTS 10 GAME SEGMENTS

 

My OCD kicks in for games 81-82 :(




#2344688 Red Wings Win, but Work Remains

Posted by Echolalia on 22 January 2013 - 04:18 PM

N=1 or 2 is not the way to analyze how good a team is. The Wings typically like to assess their play in 10-game clusters, but since this is a shortened season, lets go with groups of five. We still have three more games to go, then I think it will be fair to see where this team stands, and whether they are trending up or down.


#2340925 Kindl "Day to Day" with sore groin

Posted by Echolalia on 17 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

I feel the odds of Redden coming here grow with every minute....


#2339370 Helm injures back, doubtful for season opener

Posted by Echolalia on 11 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="shoobiedoobin" data-cid="2339344" data-time="1357939599"><p>
Stepped onto the ice=stepped into the gym. Same deal. Was probably stiff, went out and tweaked a somethingerother. Not a biggie.</p></blockquote>
Gotta be careful with somethingerothers. We know how they like to flare up




#2339049 Detroit Listed as a Bandwagon Fan Base

Posted by Echolalia on 10 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

Don't get too upset about it. The writer couldn't even bring forth any fact-based evidence for his claim, and the only reason the Wings made this list is because of pure speculation on the writer's part:
"Any team with that much success is sure to have bandwagon fans...the Red Wings have many loyal fans, but surely a lot of them are only fans of their success."
'Sure to have' and 'surely' are his clever ways of saying "I can't support my claims at all, but I still suspect there are a lot of bandwagoners and my suspicions alone are why the Wings are on this list.

I've said it a couple times before but this is a good time to repeat my thoughts. Bandwagon fans are defined by being only interested in teams during successful eras. I've been following the Wings since I've been old enough to understand sports (1995). Technically I don't know whether I'm a bandwagoner, because the Wings have never been unsuccessful during these past 20 years.
And just a side thought: bandwagon fan is a term that only elitist fans throw around to make themselves feel better about their image. Who cares if people are bandwagon fans?


#2338336 Team Roll Call.

Posted by Echolalia on 07 January 2013 - 06:59 PM

Tootoo is my favorite acquisition this year.  Put Darren Helm's heart into a freight train's body and you have Tootoo.  Players like Tootoo and Pronger and so-on are annoying as hell to play against, and they also play dirty, but they do so in a way that benefits the team they play for more often than not.  When these guys are on their game, other teams take stupid penalties against them as retribution.  They start forgetting about hockey, or their emotions make them do stupid stuff with the puck.  Tootoo isn't going to be playing alongside a couple goons.  He's going to be with Helm, or Miller, or Abdelkader, or Sammy, or Bert, and they are all capable of taking advantage of a distracted opponent.  I think his presence will really help out our bottom six, both physically, and offensively.




#2338049 Team Roll Call.

Posted by Echolalia on 06 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

I really had high hopes that this thread would be the OP calling out Red Wings names as if he was taking roll in school, and other posters would respond as if they were the Red Wings.... and nobody would respond when OP calls Franzen's name.




#2337165 Griffins (prospects) update

Posted by Echolalia on 31 December 2012 - 02:42 PM

I live just outside Detroit, so historically it has been much easier to invest my time in following the Red Wings than the Griffins. This year, due to the lockout, my attention turned to the AHL, and I was able to make the trip to Grand Rapids this weekend to see them play (and also dump cash into the local bars and restaurants). My seats were directly across from the home team bench, second row, so it was an especially good opportunity to see how the Red Wings' prospects are looking, and I figured that I could share my views for those folks who are unable to watch games live. (Disclaimer: N=1, so I'm by no means a pro scout)

Gustav Nyqvist is the Henrik Zetterberg of the Grand Rapids Griffins. He wasn't afraid to hold onto the puck until something opened up, played strong in the corners, back checked strongly, and scored the Griffins' only goal off a nice feed by Tatar. He impressed me the most.
Tomas Tatar: this kid has had so much hype follow him the past few years, it was exciting to finally see him play, and he was good. There really is nobody like him on the Wings that I can compare him to accurately, but the closest would be a riled up Jiri Hudler. The kid is small out there, but he is also very talented with the puck and knows his way around the offensive zone. He also isn't shy in the corners, in the crease, or against bigger, stronger, opponents. On the contrary, Tatar seemed to deliberately drive into the grittiest areas of the ice and put up a good fight despite his size. It was fun watching him skate.
Brendan Smith: above all else, Smith looked steady. Not overly physical in this game, no points that I am aware of ( unless he received a secondary asst). But he effectively neutralized a few odd man rushes, handled the puck like a veteran, and saw the ice impeccably. That last quality is one that will separate him from his peers in the NHL, if he continues to progress. Many of you were able to see this firsthand when he was with the Wings.
Tomas Jurco: Jurco failed to do anything to really stand out to me. No impressive stick handling, no amazing plays, etc. He played a bit uncertain of himself, in my opinion. I don't know if it was an off game for him, but I feel like this kid needs to establish himself as a leader on this team and a lot of the issues I had with his play will be solved.
Aubry: He was probably the biggest surprise of the night for me. He is a very tall, lanky looking kid, but he played very physical; dishing out a couple solid hits, taking a few, and never missing the opportunity to bump shoulders. He was effective on both ends of the ice, but didn't display any amazing passes, stick handles, or anything. Mostly it was nice to see a prospect with the potential to fill out to a lean 200lb+ play with a little sandpaper.
McCollum: I was interested to see him play because of all the flak he has been receiving for his disappointing play. In this game at least he was steady. 3 goals against, but one was an empty net, and the other was the result of a freak play where it appeared the Griffins had a delayed power play and McCollum went to the bench for a sixth skater, but it ended up being a delayed penalty against us, and the opposition scored on an empty net. The third goal was a one timer fed from behind the net to the slot that nobody would stop.
Sheahan: Disappointing. No overt physicality, no scoring opportunities. He was incredibly strong on the puck, fending off two guys at once on a few occasions, but did little to stand out aside from that.
Landon Ferarro: he looks to have a good offensive mind and a nose for the net. He didn't cash in on any chances, but he did generate some opportunities which led to him, or his teammates in good position to score. One such play occurred when Ferraro rushed down the right wing side, out skating one defender, then putting a nice move on the other defender which involved shoveling the puck between his own skates and kicking it out into tr slot for a quick shot on net.

Aside from that, nobody else stood out to me.


#2336860 Player discussions: Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen

Posted by Echolalia on 27 December 2012 - 11:06 PM

Here are last season's stats for Detroit Red Wings: http://redwings.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

From here, we can see the following about Franzen:
- 29 goals (team leader)
- 27 assists (4th)
- 56 points (4th)
- +23 (tied for first)
- team leader in PP goals and game winning goals
- 13.7% shooting percentage (3rd on team)... he has a lot of shots too, but who cares as long as his shooting percentage is 3rd on the team, we can't really say anything

Consistent or not, the facts do not lie. This guy is a beast. He puts up great numbers. I don't care if all his points come in the first and last games of the season and every game in between he gets nothing. He puts up the numbers. Could he put up higher numbers if he was more consistent? Absolutely, he would go down in history as one of the best to play, ever.

I get so confused when people talk trash about Franzen. It's nice to be treated to a game here and there with a hat trick. He has a few hat tricks and even more 2-goal games.

I hope this guy stays with us for much longer. As someone else said in this thread, if he left he'd probably end up with the Blackhawks and score a hat trik against us. I don't want that happening.

EDIT: I'm not saying that scoring goals is all that makes a player good. At the end of the day, the team with more goals wins. The hard numbers at the end of the game are what is going to win a hockey game most of the time. Franzen has 10 game-winning goals. Can you imagine if we did not have Franzen? We would have had 10 fewer wins, at the very least. That is pretty significant.


Personally, I value consistency above overall numbers. Franzen has demonstrated that he has all the tools needed to be one of the most lethal forwards in the game, which many defenses have no answer to. Because of this skill, he has been penciled in as the team's scorer, for better or worse. He isn't a role-player anymore, he is a key cog, and I don't think its realistic for a key cog to only work on random nights. Why should Franzen get a pass for taking the rest of the week off because he scored a hat-trick against some team on Monday night? That's unacceptable to me. Franzen has become an unreliable asset, which unfortunately the Red Wings have invested a great deal in. Yes, Franzen has scored some big goals and he has scored quite a few of them, but when its late in Game 7 and our team is down by one goal, why should we put our trust into Franzen to save us? How will I know that he will use his skill and actually contribute? What if tonight is one of those nights when the cog isn't working?
Just a side note: Franzen may have had 10 game winning goals, but the Wings would only lose those games in which we otherwise would have won by one goal. If the Wings won 5-2 and Franzen got the GWG, we still win without his contribution.


#2335766 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 10 December 2012 - 10:10 AM

Just came in to post this - good job, harold. The NHLFA has been oddly silent throughout this. Nice to know fans are organizing.

I prefer the NHL-FU

...fans' union, of course.


#2335663 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Echolalia on 08 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

I suspect that Fehr isn't playing the game with just this lockout in mind. Its apparent that the players are unhappy with how often and willing the league is to use a lockout as leverage to get what they're looking for. Based on what I've heard through the players, Bettman, media, etc, it sounds like Fehr is trying to make this process as uncomfortable, difficult, and frustrating as possible for the owners (even if that means turning down an offer that seems relatively reasonable for the players).
I think there are two goals here: 1) To get a fair CBA, and 2) To prevent the owners and Bettman from wanting to lockout the players again after the new CBA expires.


#2335049 Most important moments in Wings history

Posted by Echolalia on 30 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

I think the Limo accident and Vladdy's injury changed this team forever....Lids and Vlad for 10 more years. Whoa


That amount of defensive eliteness was just too much for the universe to handle :(