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#2565325 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 11:17 PM

Ah gotcha so maybe we shouldn't even have a goalkeeper to begin with? if he needs to stop a puck it must mean that someone else made a mistake first and that should never happen...

Look up the definition of team game... as for Mrazek yeah he did a real swell job imitating a Swiss cheese there. 


lol hmm lets see, well team game is actually two words, so thats kind of hard to find in a dictionary, so I'm gonna look up "team" instead.  If the forums implode because I screwed up looking for the definition of "team game" I take solice knowing that you're to blame as well, as part of the LGW team.



noun: team; plural noun: teams
a group of players forming one side in a competitive game or sport.
verb: team; 3rd person present: teams; past tense: teamed; past participle: teamed; gerund or present participle: teaming
come together as a team to achieve a common goal.
2. match or coordinate a garment with (another).
"a pinstripe suit teamed with a crisp white shirt
I'm not sure how these definitions pass blame onto Mrazek or Smith for Ericsson's screw up.  They're all on the same side of a competitive sport, so we've established that they're a "team".  Great!  They certainly didn't come together to acheive a common goal in that play (the goal being, you know, get the puck out of the zone), but that still doesn't help your case.  I saw Ericsson not act as part of a team.  Smith was in position to help his teammate should he decided to take the safe pass.  Very teamly of him.  Mrazek was in position for the eventual turnover (in fact he stopped the first shot).  Very teamly of him as well.  The only non-team element I see is Ericsson giving the puck away. 

#2565317 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 10:59 PM

It's an interesting view that it's solely the player who makes the first mistake that is to blame for any given situation even if there are several mistakes made by other players later on that make the situation even worse. 


Do you think Mrazek played the situation well? if not I think we have at least two players who could've done a better job here...


I think Mrazek did all he was capable of doing, and frankly with Parise in front of the net, with the puck, time, and space (all kindly provided by your boy Ericsson), I'm suprised that Mrazek was even able to make the first save.  So again:  I'm not blaming Mrazek for that goal.  And again, if you want to deflect blame from Ericsson and pass it on to Mrazek, or Smith, or the ref, or the taxi driver, or whoever, fine.  As you said, "its an interesting view" for you to take.

#2565308 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 10:44 PM

Again let me hit a hard knee high pass by you then and we'll see if you can bat it down? or we can watch a couple games and see how often that exact play happens and how it's almost never batted down like that. Maybe then you'll understand the risk involved a bit better.

He willfully misrepresents everything I said and I'm supposed to take it seriously? come on now...


Ok my issue here is that I don't care how good or bad Ericsson is at passing, and I don't care how good or bad Parise is at intercepting passes, or how common or rare it is (and I'm under the impression that this actually happens more than you realize, but that's neither here nor there).  What I care about, and what this whole play boils down to, is that Ericsson gave Parise the chance to intercept the pass.  Which is stupid at any point in the game, with anyone right in front of the net. But well into the third, with Parise on the other side of the net, very, very, stupid.  And its also why that goal rests entirely on Ericsson's shoulders.  No Smith's.  Not Mrazek's.  Ericsson.  Because he was the one to make a stupid decision which resulted in putting his teammates in a bind, and ultimately the puck in the net.

Now if you're willing to look at the play as some freak accident, that's all fine and dandy.  But personally, I get more out of the game when I can break down plays and understand exactly what went wrong, why, and what players can do and should do to prevent it from happening in the future.  Its how I assess whether players are difference-makers on the team, or whether they're holding the team back.  Thankfully most coaches share my philosophy, and prefer to identify responsibility and preach what can be improved instead of tossing their shoulders and saying "oh well Parise is elite.  I bet he can't do that again next time we play them."

#2565293 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 10:31 PM


I love the part where he layed out everything you missed, and you had nothing in response other than this. U mad bro?


Nonono we got it wrong.  Ericsson's blame is marginal in this case.  Parise used his L33T skillz to overwhelm our mortal and innocent defensman.  But Smith should have known better than to stand in the corner.  Also Mrazek did something.  I think.


edit: I'm sorry for bustin your chops Ekmanc.  I sincerely have no idea why Ericcson is getting any repreive from blame in this case.  It is honestly baffling to me.  I'm equally as baffled at how this is somehow also Smith's fault, but given his reputation on this forum I understand a little more.

#2565289 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 10:28 PM

You missed pretty much everything but it's ok, I have a feeling that happens to you a lot.


Please, by all means, break it down for us slow folk.  Clearly I don't understand the sophisticated low-risk art of passing the puck up the slot

#2565282 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 10:24 PM

Oh please we've both seen that pass be successful more times than we can count, it might not have been the smartest choice in that situation but it wasn't a high-risk play either if anything it was an elite move by Parise oh and a goalie who completely moved out of the way of course.


Ok lemme summarize just to make sure I got your logic: 

Ericsson isn't really THAT much to blame because Parise is elite, and Ericsson has no way of knowing that an elite player might pick of his pass right up the gut (which by the way most of us learned to avoid in, i don't know, Peewee hockey?)

Mrazek is to blame because he should have known that Parise is elite and should have been ready for the interception

Smith is to blame because because he should have known that Parise is elite and not provided the safe outlet pass for Ericcson but instead anticipated that the puck was going to get intercepted and should have got a head start on skating to the front of the net to cover for Ericsson. 


Let me know if I missed anything.

#2565233 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 10:15 PM

Just as good as your sense of humor I imagine.



Let me try to make a hard knee high pass by you then and we'll see how many out of a 100 that you manage to bat down and stop right on your blade...


You know what guarantees that an elite NHL player isn't going to intercept a pass right in front of my net?  Not passing it right in front of my net when I have options on either side of me that are wide open and waiting for the puck.  I'm have no idea why you're defending Ericsson in this case.  Its pretty cut and dry a stupid decision by him, especially nursing a one-goal lead deep in the third, and one of several unforced turnovers that he's committed in this game.

#2565205 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 10:03 PM

That's exactly the problem in this case, the play took forever to develop and where was he???


Providing an outlet pass per standard hockey protocol that Ericsson for whatever reason decided to not utilize.

#2565193 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 09:58 PM

Good job Ericsson and Mrazek, fantastic play...


Honourable mention to Smith who stood in the corner rolling his thumbs the entire time.


leave it to LGW to pass blame to the classic whooping boy on a goal that he had nothing to do with.  Maybe we can also blame Smith for goals that are scored against us when he's on the bench because he isn't filling up Kronwall's water bottle and keeping his superiors properly hydrated.

#2565002 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 08:02 PM

aaaaannnnnddddd back in the doghouse

#2564937 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 04:01 PM

I think I figured out the lines, guys.  Babs is ALL about overcoming adversity and earning the right to feel good about yourself and working your way back up through the lineup, so anytime someone starts playing poorly, Babs gets excited because this is an opportunity for a player to grow, so he demotes them to the third or fourth line.  Except Sheahan has been on the club for over a year, now, and hasn't had a poor stretch yet. And Babs is baffled and upset because Sheahan hasn't had that opportunity to build character or whatever.  So Babcocks is all "whatever, I'll give you adversity myself!  Glendening!  Miller!  You guys are playing with Sheahan now!"  And that's the story of how Mike Babcock saved Sheahan from himself.

#2564797 '16 Winter Classic

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 08:05 PM

Rumor has it... In two years it will be held on the moon.


We feel there's an untapped market of abandoned lunar NASA equipment who could really grow the game of hockey.  My assistant also tells me that the moon is cold enough to maintain a "hockey climate", so really its Florida's market potential with Canada's climate.  What's not to like??

#2564794 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 07:06 PM



Well like Mike Babcock likes to say, you've got to earn more minutes and better linemates.  If Brendan Smith isn't getting the minutes or the linemates, it's because Babs doesn't think he deserves them.  Should be be gifted more opportunities just because?  I mean, ALL players will produce more with more minutes and better linemates.  That's a truism.  Doesn't mean you deserve them though.  Clearly the coach doesn't think he does. 


Oh, Smith screws up just as much as everyone else eh?  So why's he on the third pair?  Did Babs just arbitrarily decide Smith would be down there, despite being just as good as everyone else?


Of course not. 


Brendan Smith is on the third pair because he's not a better defenseman than Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, or Quincey.  Which, coincidentally, is why people focus on him more.  Because he's not as good.  And screws up more often. 


That, or Mike "Greatest Coach in the League" Babcock is actively trying to make this team worse because he doesn't like Smith.  I'm sure that's it. 


I can only focus on one of your obsessions at a time, so pick Babcock or Smith and lets just stick with one subject for the time being.

Yes, with just under two seasons of NHL experience, Smith is currently playing on the third line.  I'm not sure why this is so blasphemous.  Or is it because he was drafted in the first round that somehow means he needs to be a top 3 defenseman at this point in his career?  And to be completely honest, I think its a good place for him to play given where he is in his development and where he can contribute the best for the team.  Out of all the Wings' defensman, Smith is fourth behind Kronwall, Eriksson, and Kindl for giveaways/game, but Eriksson is a late round pick so I guess he doesn't count, and both Eriksson and Kronwall are on the first line, so apparently they're just better and we should ignore their screwups. Smith, however is our best defensman when it comes to takeaways per game, and he's also the best defensman in giveaway/takeaway ratio.  We've heard repeatedly that Babcock assesses performance on who has the puck after you, and who has the puck before you.  By this data Smith is doing quite well where he's placed in the roster because he's doing more for his team on the third line when it comes to gaining puck possession than any other defender is on any other line.  So keep him where he's helping the team out the most, and if an injury should happen to someone in the top four and Smith gets his chance to reproduce his value on a different line then good for him.  If not, he's still playing effective, possession-based hockey where he's at, and steadily improving as well.  And in the meantime people will continue to focus exclusively on Smith when he happens to lose the puck apparently because he's a third line defensman.  I personally prefer looking at all defensman (or any player for that matter) objectively and analyzing their play accordingly, regardless of what line they happen to play on or where they were drafted.

#2564789 '16 Winter Classic

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 06:25 PM

I wonder who'll be playing in the other 13 outdoor games

#2564749 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Echolalia on 19 January 2015 - 02:26 PM

I hadn't realized Smith was playing particularly bad this season.  He has mistakes here and there, but so does Quincey, Dekeyser, Oulette, Kindl, Lashoff, Ericsson, and Kronwall.  Its funny how often Kronwall turns the puck over in the defensive zone, and yet its almost exclusively Smith that people latch onto and obsess over.