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#2531659 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Echolalia on 11 July 2014 - 05:49 PM

The only way I'm stomaching Tatar being moved is if it's in a package deal for a legit top 2 defenseman. Besides, considering how other trades have gone down, and what Green has brought to the table recently compared to what Tatar has brought, I don't even think Green for Tatar straight up is worth it.

#2531594 McCollum signed.

Posted by Echolalia on 11 July 2014 - 02:12 PM

He's a bit iffy at times, but a decent AHL backup. Doubt he'll ever be anything more than that though.

I don't follow that Griffins all that closely, but from what I've gathered, after his terrible struggles from a couple years ago, McCollum really rebounded well and likely could have been a solid 1 last year. Unfortunately for him, the Wings also have Hasek jr. in Mrazek, and nobody in the AHL will take the 1 spot from that kid. Anyway, I think if he keeps his pace up, McCollum can break into the NHL, perhaps as a back-up.

#2531432 NHL-Game of Thrones Edition

Posted by Echolalia on 10 July 2014 - 11:21 PM

Lol at Detroit

#2531333 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Echolalia on 10 July 2014 - 07:35 PM

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 1m
#RedWings GM Ken Holland: "My program has been one of loyalty and there's good and bad that goes with that. Way more good, in my opinion."
so is holland himself admitting that the cleary signing is a bad one?

Sounds like it, although the fact that he's even going public about his views on loyalty makes it seem like he's trying to demonstrate the perks of signing and playing for Detroit. After striking out on the free agency targets this year, I can see why Holland would want to demonstrate his loyalty and his desire to take care of his players, and the perks that it brings. I just hope that if/when Cleary can't play effectively in a top 12 role, Babs and Holland keep him off the ice and don't impede on a younger player's opportunity to contribute and grow.

#2530927 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by Echolalia on 09 July 2014 - 08:50 PM

Right, and they ALL went to contending teams with a chance to win the Cup this year, right? 
Boyle said why he signed in New York as was referenced in the link above.  No big loss not getting a 38 year old already declining.  Parise and Suter made it clear why Minnesota was their choice. The Wings, with good reason, didn't pursue Stralman. Can't really say about Niskanen.  Could be that Orpik signed there, could have been a better financial offer.  I don't know and you don't either.  But the facts are, players don't sign only with up and coming contending teams. 
I mean when fans start pointing to Patrick Eaves signing with Dallas as proof that we're missing out on all the great Free Agents and that he signed there because they are an exciting up and coming team, what else can you really say?
Ken Holland can't win with many fans.  If he had overpaid Niskanen, fans would have complained about that when he (likely) would not have lived up to the contract.  If he trades away a young player for a veteran, he gets s*** for that.  He's supposed to stay under the cap, keep all the young players, sign all the free agents, and keep the team a yearly contender for two decades.  Gotcha. 

Niskanen did say that Orpik had scouted the Washington area for him and relied on Orpik's information on whether it was a good fit or not. He also said that because his former coach was in Washington, he felt more comfortable signing with the Caps.

#2530716 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Echolalia on 08 July 2014 - 10:33 PM

I'm still trying to get my head around Tatar being nothing more then Hudler?! As soon as he got up to the big club he put on clinics on hard work & determination. You can see when Tatar is on the ice he wants to make something happen and usually did...He won the MVP when they won the Calder, the kid loves to win and it shows. Moving him, Nyquist, or Jurco are my bugga boos

I'm with you. Tatar was very impressive, especially considering it was his rookie season. He may be only 5'10", but he plays like he's 6'2"

#2530348 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by Echolalia on 07 July 2014 - 08:44 AM

Doesn't matter what we think. It is entirely up to Mantha and Holland/Babcock. The later 2 have clearly said he has to earn a spot. Now it is up to Mantha. I think he will earn a spot. 2 reasons: 1. he is that talented 2. we are that thin/weak of a team. We had 1 guy score 20+ goals this year. mantha will do that this year plus. it is the other parts of his game that are the questions: strength, stamina, defense etc....

I don't see it happening this year.  Dominating in the QMJHL isn't equal to dominating in the AHL, and neither necessarily translate to success in the NHL.  The Wings are also saturated with forwards, and I just don't see Babcock and Holland trusting Mantha with a full-time roster spot after observing him for a couple scrimmages over players who have already demonstrated competency at the NHL level throughout the previous season(s). 

BUT what is exciting is the potential for this kid is really high.  I was looking at the QMJHL stats from last year, and two other names besides Mantha popped out at me.  Jonathon Drouin, who actually had a higher ppg than Mantha, but only played in 46 games, and Nikolaj Ehlers, who was the only rookie in the top 20 in scoring, and was actually 4th league-wide with 104 points in 63 games.  Drouin was drafted by the Lightning 3rd overall in the 2013 draft.  Ehlers was drafed by the Jets 9th overall in 2014.  Meanwhile, the Red Wings drafted Mantha 20th overall, and this kid is putting up similar numbers as these other top draft picks whom he's playing against.  These other two kids are also under 6 feet, while Mantha is already around 6'5". So if I had to bet on who would be most likely to continue to succeed in bigger and tougher leagues, I would go with Mantha.

#2529494 Wings sign Kevin Porter to 1-year, 2-way contract

Posted by Echolalia on 02 July 2014 - 01:24 PM

Lol Ya god forbid we lose... What's his name again? I'm sure every gm was banging on his door....

The star level of a player shouldn't matter. You want someone, you sign him. Not wait around so the fans don't get their feelings hurt.

#2529033 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Echolalia on 01 July 2014 - 07:24 PM

Of course not. Holland only gives up draft picks for valuable players, such as David Legwand and Kyle Quincey. I would have taken Stuart back for that price over giving up nothing to keep Quincey around.

Stuart's career hasn't been what it used to be with us. I'd rather have Quincey.

#2527207 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Echolalia on 30 June 2014 - 12:50 PM

Not as big as some of the other names here, but it appears Detroit is going to bring back McCollum. I don't mind it, but I hope he doesn't get in the way of Mrazek playing 50-60 games.


This is good. He struggled early on in his pro career, but McCollum has really settled in and could still make something of himself. The Wings are pretty saturated in net for the foreseeable future, but if he can keep developing the way he has, this kid could be a decent trading chip down the road.

#2527162 Ehrhoff or Niskanen

Posted by Echolalia on 30 June 2014 - 10:54 AM

I would prefer Erhoff. I don't know that Niskanen can repeat his offensive success in Detroit (as we don't have a Crosby, Malkin, or Neil), and Erhoff has made a career out of producing those numbers from the back end. He's older and shoots left, but he's also a known commodity. I also think defensively Erhoff is more well rounded.
Also, Erhoff was never beaten in a fight by Crosby:

#2526956 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by Echolalia on 29 June 2014 - 02:06 PM

Ericsson has a no trade contract doesn't he? I'd love to see him traded along with Kindl and Franzen to try and get a forward while getting Ehrhoff and Niskanen. Not gonna happen though.


If we do end up with Erhoff and Niskanen, that's two less spots for our defensive prospect pool to take, so in addition to Kindl and Lashoff (who have pretty low trade value), Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet all become movable assets, because there won't be any room in Detroit.  Sproul I think we need to hold onto, because of his offensive capability and he shoots right, but I don't know how he would break into the lineup if Erhoff and Niskanen are here.

#2526929 NHL Trivia: Part One

Posted by Echolalia on 29 June 2014 - 01:18 PM

I only got 15 right, and spent like 7 minutes trying to figure out how to spell Robitaille

#2526925 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by Echolalia on 29 June 2014 - 01:11 PM

I don't think it's that people don't want it, it's just that you knowing your source is legit only benefits you--the rest of us don't know this cat from Adam, and this is the internet. I'd expect the same reaction if it were me, or 55fan, or haroldsnepts, etc. it's fun to hear the rumors, so don't be offended if to the rest of us that's all they are.

for the record i believe everything that 55fan has and will ever say.  On a separate note, did you know that Kronwall is the descendant of a god and his favorite animal is the guinea pig?

#2526893 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by Echolalia on 29 June 2014 - 12:17 PM

I don't get why so many seem to think this would be a better signing than Niskanen. Erhoff turns 32 in about a week. he isn't physical at all, average defensively, and hasn't been great offensively either. yes some of that is because of playing with Buff, but overall just average. he is at the age where he is just leaving what should have been the prime years of his career.


Erhoff 32, 6-2/195 LHed, on a good team good for 35-40 points per season, going to make 5+ million and I am sure he is going to be looking for at least 4 years, maybe 5.


Niskanen 27 6-0/210 RHed, on a good team good for 40+ points, strong in his own end, and going to be looking for 6 million on a max term-7 years.


Now if we don't get Niskanen then going after erhoff makes some sense. he is an upgrade over quincy. But at this point he is clearly a second option.


The bottom line is we need a defensman who can get the puck out of our zone efficiently, has some offensive ability, and can run a powerplay.  Erhoff is getting older (although I wouldn't say 32 is old these days), but he still provides the offense abilities that the Wings sorely lack.  Niskanen does also, and he's younger, but he's also unproven, so I guess the question comes down to what you think the lower risk is: signing a long contract to someone who only had one successful year but younger, or signing a long contract to a proven commodity who is older.  Frankly I want both of them.