Jump to content

Echolalia's Photo


Member Since 21 Mar 2007
Offline Last Active Today, 11:03 AM

#2533265 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 29 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Two things I noticed when I watched that video that Hockeytown posted:
1) Almost all of Tatar's goals came within 6 feet of the net. Tatar may have Hudler's size, but he has Helm's heart.
2) Several of those goals came in the third period, during a tie game or the Wings down by a goal. I wasn't sure whether there was any statistical significance so I rewatched the vid and came up with these numbers:
Tatar scored 4 first period goals, 7 second period goals, and 8 third period goals. This is especially impressive because the Wings only scored 8 third period goals all year (joke). Anyway, of those 8 goals in the third, the Wings were down or tied in 6 of those occasions (more specifically meaning his goal either tied the game or put the Wings in the lead. The one exception was when the Wings were down 3-1 to the Habs, when Tatar scored to make it 3-2. Then again to make it 3-3. I originally wasnt going to include the first goal, but because he scored the second one to tie it as well I decided to keep it in.) I didn't do any actual statistical analyses so take what you want from these values, but at the very least there may to be a trend that this kid gets better as the game progresses. I don't know how to statistically analyze "clutchness", or more specifically what the actual definition of clutch is. Scoring anytime in the third? Last 10 minutes? Down by 1? By 2? Anyway, someone with a better grasp of stats and clutchness can tackle this one.

#2533196 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 28 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

This is a good number, especially on a three year deal (and he's still an RFA when this contract expires??).
Like kip said, he's going to be a 20 goal scorer (he almost was last season), and he has that Helm like tenacity and heart, even if he doesn't have the 6'2" frame. The team seems to feed of his energy and he's capable of being an integral part of the team moving forward. The caphit this season will be slightly overvalued, unless he really grows as a hockey player this season, but the following two seasons if he really continues to develop, he just might be able to push 30 goals a season. This is a fair contract for both sides, but the potential deal in the second and third years outweighs any negatives the cap-hit brings.

#2533113 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by Echolalia on 28 July 2014 - 10:02 AM

Hmm I guess my predictions will be:


Smith still has a few brain-farts, but he becomes a LGW favorite this season.  Babs gives him an opportunity on the power play, and he doesn't give it up.

Cleary plays 10 games and is benched for the rest of the season.  He then finally calls it a career.

Weiss plays 50-60 games, looks much better than he did last year, but still not as good as he could be (and LGW expects).  He becomes the new whipping boy.

Howard has top 10 stats, half of LGW still argues that he's average.

Gustavsson is often injured, and when he plays he is out of position, loses sight of the puck, fumbles the puck in the crease, and will somehow still win us games.

Mrazek will play 10-15 games for the Wings this season, and look good in every game.

Wings will go on a 3 game losing streak, LGW will implode. 

Wings will go on a 3 game winning streak, LGW will believe this team is as good as the 2002 team.

#2533077 Winter is coming..

Posted by Echolalia on 27 July 2014 - 02:46 PM

I would pay the iron price for those.

#2532904 Bring in Loiselle or Poulin as assistant GMs?

Posted by Echolalia on 23 July 2014 - 08:03 PM

I don't want anything to do with the people who were a part of building a team who hasn't won a cup in 600 years. The guy that replaced them, some 20 something year old from the Sault, he sounds intriguing.

#2532868 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Echolalia on 23 July 2014 - 09:52 AM

I don't understand why Callahan doesn't just become the new Holmstrom?  He's clearly tough as hell, has a scoring touch around the crease, and isn't afraid to stand in front of slap shots.  Plus, he's actually good defensively and on special teams.
In another dimension (one where the Wings don't have Andersson or Cleary or Glendening on the opening night roster) I'd pencil this kid in as my fourth line winger, penalty killer, and net front on my 2nd PP unit. 

I like this. I think I mentioned a while back in another thread that we don't have any players that are consistently fighting for the tough areas in front of the net. Cleary used to be good at it, Abdelkader kinda, but his role on the team is constantly shifting. Jurco and Sheahan maybe as they continue to develop. Franzen? Lol. There's a niche waiting to be occupied, and as you mentioned, Callahan has thrived in the AHL with all the necessary tools.

#2532786 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Echolalia on 22 July 2014 - 11:46 AM

There are nice areas downtown no doubt. the problem is that there is almost the same amount of bad parts as well. Detroit is one of the largest cities in the country in terms of square miles, yet they are one of the only few cities to have a shrinking population. The city was built for a population of 2 million, not 600K. As a result you have a ton of areas that look like post apocalyptic war zone. They need to demolish these abandon neighborhoods and consolidate the city (easier said then done i know). but the city as is too big for the population that it has right now

There's a lot of effort going into blight removal. Duggan has appointed "district managers" to oversee their neck of the woods in terms of cataloging, identifying the owners, tearing down/selling abandoned buildings, and while that's a huge undertaking, the city has already made great strides in achieving their goals. Dan Gilbert is also heavily involved with this project, and has agreed to buy up a lot of these abandoned buildings and tear them down/renovate them. Many others that are salvageable have been put up for auction online, and folks have been buying up these houses, fixing them up, and moving in. So yeah, Detroit has it's problems. Everyone in the world is hip to that, and it's unfortunately become our label. What everyone doesn't know is how much things are actually going right, and how much effort is going into building the city back up, and how much progress has already been made. The blight removal is one such example. The arena and entertainment district will be another, and will be a capstone on years of investment put into both downtown and midtown.

#2532771 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 22 July 2014 - 09:44 AM

I wonder what "not close" means here, because the article makes it seem like "not close" is more that they haven't really started working though this process of negotiating. Tatar is overseas, Dekeyser they haven't spoken with since the draft. Holland gave each of them offers and hasn't heard anything back. It sounds like these guys are just enjoying their summer and aren't even focusing on contract talks right now.
But given that my perspective is one of very limited access, who knows what's actually going on.

#2532552 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Echolalia on 19 July 2014 - 12:11 PM

The entertainment center (whatever that ends up being) is being built in a great place. Just on the other side of the freeway, it will be able to expand downtown into a currently blighted area, and just about connect the gap between downtown and midtown, which would make that entire stretch of Woodward healthy and thriving. Gilbert has been buying up tons of blighted real estate with his own projects of revitalization in mind, and it finally looks like Detroit has a competent mayor in Duggan, and he's already done a ton for the city in his short time in office. Detroit has been taking it on the chin for years, but we are on our way back up, and there are several dedicated parties looking to make sure these visions are met.

Edit, the post I responded to has been deleted, which makes my post seem kinda random. Anyway, I'm excited about hearing what the details will be about this arena (and entertainment complex), and what it means for the area in general.

#2532521 NHL Trivia: Team Leaders in Goals, Assists, Wins, PIMS

Posted by Echolalia on 18 July 2014 - 09:07 PM


#2532504 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by Echolalia on 18 July 2014 - 05:02 PM

That's legit, but nobody is remembering how Quenneville nearly did the exact same thing to us with those Blues teams in the late 90's that were significantly less talented than our Cup teams.  And he was coaching against Bowman. 
One of the reasons that I think Quenneville is a great coach?  Of the 15 times he's made the playoffs he's won the Cup twice and lost to the eventual Cup winner 7 times including three times to the Bowman Wings (widely considered some of the greatest teams EVER to play hockey) of the late 90's and early 2000's.  The best teams Babs has lost to?  Quenneville's Hawks a year ago. 

Quenneville also had two first round exits between those Stanley Cup winning Blackhawks teams. Also, prior to joining the Blackhawks, Quenneville has only coached a team past the second round once. That team was the Blues in 2001, and they were eliminated in the third round. I also disagree that Quenneville "did nearly the exact thing to us" during his tenure with the Blues. They never won more than two games against the Wings in any playoff series he coached. Before he had Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, etc etc Quennevile did nothing to warrant being a top coach, least of all win Stanley Cups, which seems to be the main focus of your argument as to why he and Sutter are better than Babcock.
Sorry but I'm with Harold on this one. I don't think Quenneville is better than Babcock, even if he has won one more Cup.

#2532293 Favorite Dan Cleary Moment or Play

Posted by Echolalia on 16 July 2014 - 06:02 PM

As for Cleary, it's awesome that he does this sort of extracurricular work, and I'm glad that the Red Wings take community involvement, charities, etc so seriously. There are so many organizations that literally cannot function without the aid of volunteers and/or donations. The Wings' organization does their fair share in this regard, and also provides a good role model for others in the community to do the same. Good on Cleary to keep that spirit alive. At the very least, I hope you've followed in Cleary's footsteps and are regularly donating your time and money to those less fortunate than you.

#2532283 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Echolalia on 16 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

I have a hard time believing that anybody is going to sue a reporter for saying the powerplay is worse under Renney than it was under McClellen.  Seems like a stretch to me.  Especially considering that assertion can be supported by empirical fact. 

Nobody will be successfully sued for stating fact (which in your case, "the powerplay is worse under Renney than it was under McClellan" is the fact), but postulating as to the cause of the fact, especially when it casts a professional in a negative light, is definitely sue-able material ("Renney sucks", in your case). Regardless of your thoughts on the matter, this is a real possibility and it's entirely within anyone's right to pursue, should they feel their name is tarnished. This, and the other issue I mentioned (establishing yourself as a reporter who casts others in a negative light will likely remove yourself from any future interview opportunities or other journalist access, and it would be quite difficult to be a journalist without these privileges) are likely the reasons who we don't see more beat writers trying to dig up who's to blame because the powerplay isn't as good as it used to be.

#2532272 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Echolalia on 16 July 2014 - 03:08 PM

I don't expect Babs or Holland to say "Renney sucks", I expect the reporters to say "Renney sucks" IF he actually does suck.  And to determine that, they should talk to people outside the organization, who nevertheless, actually might know something about hockey and powerplays.  Not simply repeat back what KH or Babs says, because as you've mentioned, those guys are DEFINITELY NOT going to say "Renney sucks"...even if it's true.  And they shouldn't be expected to do so.   
It's not like I'm asking them to perform some sort of journalistic black magic.  Verifying the accuracy of what's being told to you, and getting the thoughts of knowledgeable outsiders is standard practice for journalists. 

This is a slippery slope for a couple reasons. 1, slander laws protect people from getting their names bashed in media, even if they do suck. A coach could be the worst coach in history, but if he has a good lawyer, professional statistics aren't that difficult to skew in your favor. Most of LGW has no experience in law and we already mastered that one. NHL personelle likely make way more money than best writers and local journalists, too, so I imagine the lawyer battle would be somewhat one-sides.
Secondly, if a reporter made a reputation for calling out someone in the organization for having a negative impact, chances are that reporter will have a great problem even trying to get interviews, or get into the lockerroom to discuss the game. Hockey players are a loyal bunch, and no organization wants bad rep on them or their employees, no matter how true. Reporters have to tread a fine line in covering stories, but also doing so in such a way that they will have the team's blessing to continue reporting in the future.
In short, I think writing up a "Renney Sucks" article is professional suicide.

#2531935 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Echolalia on 13 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

Let him play his 10 games to receive his bonus, and if he doesn't impress and show he belongs in the top 12 in those 10 games, then scratch him for the rest of the season. Holland stays loyal to his word, Cleary gets the money he left on the table, and a fair chance to prove himself. If it doesn't work out, one of the youngsters plays for the remaining 72 games.
It still pisses me off, but I can deal with the above scenario.