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I'm out. Don't feel like listening to the endless Ozzie bashing that is sure to come, despite the fact that our D is obviously s*** again with McCrimmon behind the bench.

3 STANLEY CUPS - NUFF SAID ! AND HE IS THE BACKUP !

Still too early for a "Probert rolling in the grave" comment.

The human knee is held together with rubber bands and prayer. Doesn't matter who you are, it's a weak spot.

For the sake of truthiness, what does Maltby or Draper have to due with our 'A' lineup?

Practice man, practice. We're talking about practice here man, not the real game, but practice. Edit: A.I. can do it better than I can

its gotta be either Howard or our backups... right? that's how this place works

Who gives a s*** about the score, I gotta see the Downey and Bertuzzi fight. Looks like Bert went crazy on Orpik tonight, f***in eh Todd.

It's easier to blame and point a finger then it is to realize that THIS is preseason. We have more than 5 starters not playing tonight. The SOG's are skewed because of it. Leave preseason where it's supposed to be. It's an opportunity to let Happy/Mo/Cleary, Ericsson/Salei, and Abs, Ritola, and Lashoff to shine and develop. So don't jump off any bridge at this point. Unless...you do it quietly.

I agree. Osgood should have won 4 cups if the Wings would have taken game 6 or 7, but I digress. The Wings are not losing because of Osgoods play right now. They are losing because the Pens played all their starters. If we had all our starters in, the game would be much different. The Ozzie haters will all pile on the hate bandwagon though. Injury?

Cha, As if ?! So were going according to your clock here ? How about you let us all know when and when we can't Talk about the Toughest Man to Ever Lace 'em up. Ther'd be Blood on the Ice if this happened while Probes Patrolled the Pond - that's my point.

Seriously, I could give a f*** about the results of this game, so long as Mule is not seriously hurt.

Let me get this straight... Wings have an "enforcer" and Franzen gets a cheap shot. Well, good thing Red Wings have an "enforcer". What a ******* waste of roster space!

For the 'best poster', he sure makes some asinine statements.

everyone. ive got a secret....(whispers) it's the PRESEASON. The pens have basically their starting lineup..

I've been a member here for 7 and a half years, I hope you guys know that I know the answer. I wasn't ballsy enough to start my own thread about it, but I'm sure that'll happen soon enough

The only only thing worse than the rabid Bettman haters is someone who goes out of their way to praise him. I'll stick with the former, thank you. Here's some reasons I hate him and blame him for since 75% of you are sucking his balls right now. -A labor strike that reduced the season to 48 games, and the other a lockout that lost an entire season. -I'm a hockey fan and I can't watch many games without shelling out money for those channels. -$600 million with ESPN in 1998 to $72.5 with Versus in 2008 -Bulls*** scheduling in the 2009 playoffs. -Terrible, terrible reffing every year. Hey! remember the 2008, 2009, 2010 playoffs?!? -Putting teams in cities where I don't believe hockey will ever be successful(well, maybe because of teams like the Red Wings and revenue sharing) -The dilution of talent because of over expansion. -Hockey isn't yet popular in the U.S. so lets start playing in Europe! -Handling of the Phoenix situation. -Did I mention terrible AND s***ty reffing? -Say what you want about his wonderful economic growth that you make it out to be but the NFL, MLB, NBA and even NASCAR spank the NHL every year. -And the most recent for me wasthe NHL's reaction to this fiasco. A prime example of, "Shut the hell up, we're in charge." Are all of these his fault? Probably not.Let me hold onto those delusions. BUT there is a reason he get's booed so many places he goes. He gets booed at the NHL DRAFT for christ sake. You talk about him eliminating the clutch and grab play like it was such a genius move too, no just a goddamn OBVIOUS one. /end of rant

O.K. I have to ask this. Are you Patrick Sharp by any chance?

while i see your point and agree with it, i giggled a bit when i read that maltby is part of our 'A' lineup. dude will be in grand rapids soon; he's not helping you prove your point!

The clutch and grab era was happening regardless of Bettman. Bettman legitimately fixed a widespread problem with the league that occurred, give him credit. Is 18 years absurdly long? Maybe he's doing absurdly well. And he has been responsible for widespread improvement across the league. Bettman is responsible for the two-referee system, which has resulted in a significant increase in quality of officiating due to a second pair of eyes on the ice from another angle on the opposite side of the play. Bettman is responsible for the league increasing revenues at a rate beyond what anyone even considered possible. Yes, a couple of teams were sold and had to move, but that was largely due to a triple combination of market size, fan support, and in two cases exchange rate. Bettman is responsible for this: the NHL used to pay 75% of revenue to players, now it's less than 55%. Yet there are more players than ever now, and a record average salary. As far as play quality? Bettman is responsible for killing clutch and grab. Bettman's rule changes have resulted in teams using more roster spots on skilled players, rather than unskilled goons. Self-serving? How? Explain that one to me.

No, 29 owners respect him as well. I don't hate him. Most people that do blame him for things he hasn't really been responsible for. It's not Bettman's job to make fans happy, he is supposed to make the owners happy. He doesn't work for us, he doesn't work for the players, he doesn't work for TV, he works for the owners and is answerable to them. It is the owners' responsibility to make the fans and players happy. Which is why salaries for players are so high, and why owners are always trying to find ways to cut costs to the fans without compromising the ability to generate revenue. No money in means no money out. Clearly, based on the 18-year tenure, Bettman is doing a good job as determined by the only people who really should matter to him. If you aren't happy with VS or southern teams, blame the owners who moved them or the networks that despised the game.

I like it, Ken Kal was broadcasting the Red and White game on the radio and mentioned we needed a linemate for him named Fish, so we could have Fish and Tartar on a line together. Just think if we could actually sign guys with the last names Fish and Sauce, Tartar skates up the wing, floats a pass to Sauce, Sauce dishes it in front of the net to Fish, who reels in a defender before passing back to Tartar, he shoots, he scores! Detroit goal scored by number 27 Tartar assisted by number 21 Fish and number 57 Sauce. On a more serious note Darren McCarty would probably be better suited for "The Sauce" since it sounds like a nick name for an Alky.

He is singlehandedly responsible for us not winning the Cup in 1995, 1996, 2004, 2006 and 2009.

Looks like the pens really want to win this important preseason game, both crosby and malkin are in; Sterling-Crosby-Dupuis Tangradi-Comrie-Malkin Wallace-Letestu-Kennedy Craig-Vitale-Boulerice Orpik-Michalek Letang-Strait Potter-Hutchinson Powerplay most likely: Comrie-Tangradi-Crosby Malkin-Letang

Anyone else think the NHL should have edited the last line a bit before releasing the video? Here's the original line... But with the model of consistency that is the NHL's on-and-off-ice officials, they might be better suited saying it like this...