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In other news, it's been 195 days 7 hours 46 minutes 1 seconds since the last Kronwalling.

If it's any consolation, I hated Bettman before his contribution to a 3rd work stoppage in 18 years.

And this is why we let our boys mature in the minors. Riley certainly isn't ready it seems. Smith was just helping his pal...but still I hope he learns from this as well.

Are we really sure it was Sheahan & not Tinky Winky?

Sure 4 million would have landed Erhoff, but for 10 years. That's ludicrous for a one dimensional defenseman that really wouldn't fit into our defense, ideally I would like a guy like Wisniewski 6 years is pretty steep, but I wouldn't have minded he's young, he's a better two way player but I don't think he's the one that I want playing along side Kronwall or Smith that can allow those two the freedom to get involved offensively. Wisniewski would have to change his game, he's productive but takes a lot of chances that the Red Wings system would not allow. Length of contract on mediocore to slightly above average players is not how you build a good team for the long run. Both those players are good right now, but those contracts are monsters in length, and that's the bigger issue. We already have Z,Dats, Franzen, Kronwall for long term deals, what makes you think we don't need flexibility in the coming years? I'd like to see Holland build the best team he can, we need that top pairing defenseman, but filling that need with 10 year duck tape isn't the best way to go about it imo. We still have 8 million in cap space, we still have plenty of trading assets, and we still apparently have plenty of time. Holland can very easily still turn this into gold without too much more work.

I just read that it's the Wizard's 40th birthday. Happy Birthday, Chris!

They should have a hockey game to settle their dispute. Winner takes all. Hopefully Bettman gets Kronwalled

"Global smarming."

We've lost Rafalski, Stuart, Lidstrom. Here is our blue line, as it currently stands: Kronwall - White Quincey - Ericsson Smith - Colaiacovo Kindl That's inexcusable - especially for 1) the best GM in the league, and, frankly, 2) The Detroit Effing Red Wings. Saying, "Well, I don't really see any deals that could've been made. And looking at the list of the guys who were dealt...." isn't really a solid counterargument. Ken Holland deals in magic; his reputation (as the best GM in the league, a genius, etc.) is built largely on his ability to pull the perfect deal seemingly out of thin air and give this team exactly what it needs, often filling a hole everyone knows was there but no one reasonably believed could be filled - and all for good coin and term (usually). That he hasn't done so re: our blue line (and he hasn't) indicates to me that he's in La La Land, not that there hasn't been a single worthwhile deal he could've made over the past 3-4 seasons (come on, man). To be clear: I'm not tearing him down for losing the Suter sweepstakes. I'm not tearing him down at all, really. I'm just pointing out an extremely uncharacteristic lapse in, well, call it "GM smarts." Though, yeah - there is that fear in the back of my mind that it's more than a lapse.... P.S. Top GMs don't get points for trying.

Those poor players, getting paid millions to bang super hot chicks (as many as they want), skate around playing hockey for 15 years and retiring at 40. That must really suck. It's a good thing someone pays them to do this sort of thing. Otherwise, working at Arby's , getting zero ***** and getting sodomized in a bar by a burly Canadian fellow in a restroom at the local watering hole seems like the only alternative. Seriously guys these players are nuts. The only thing they can do is play hockey. They get paid well with lots of perks, I'm pretty sure most of them want to play the game. This union nonsense has to stop. The union rep,doesn't care about that it's about $. It's about time we got this season started.

saw this from HFB a few days ago, guess noone wanted to spread it but here's some kenny love: http://espn.go.com/b...ost/_/id/20361?

nobody knows for sure who is for or against this lockout. everything else has simply been speculation and assumptions. i just find it laughable how so many people think that bettman is the sole reason for these lockouts. the owners have to love the fact that he takes all the beating and they get off without a shred of criticism.

I deleted more posts because they went from discussing the lockout to making personal comments about the person they're quoting. Want your posts to live in this thread? Stay on topic and discuss the lockout. Want them to disappear? Keep making personal accusations about each other. If you haven't noticed, the rules are being enforced tightly in this thread because of all the crap that's gone on and multiple warnings being ignored.

So just to clarify, Israel and Hamas can agree on a ceasefire, but the NHL and NHLPA can't figure out how to share $3 billion?

This stupid fan, can wait as long as it takes and will be first in line to get tickets to see the Wings. The lockout may very well be a good thing for this team, we could end up with a higher draft pick then we would have normally, including a 1 in 30 shot of the #1 pick. I love how you think that both sides are stupid, aswell as anyone who attends a game after this, yet you are on a fan site posting about hockey instead of doing everything else in the world. Patience grasshoppa. The Griffins game is on!

Both, though I do have to wonder about anyone who can suggest that Holland didn't have anything to do with our Cups in spite of the fact that he was either wholly or partially responsible for drafting Zetterberg, Hudler, Franzen, Datsyuk, Fischer, and Kronwall, and signing or trading for Shanahan, Chelios, Hasek, Hull, Robitaille, Drake, Stuart, Malty, Kocur (the second time around), Larionov (the second time around), Samuelsson, or Cleary. Because obviously none of those guys contributed to the cups (especially 2002 and 2008) in any serious way.