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Who would need to eat crow? I don't recall anyone saying that he was going to play. Only that some of us are being optimistic and haven't given up on the idea of him playing this season. When Z says he's done, then he's done. Not before.

I'd gladly waive Frk and Witkowski, and a surprising amount of others on this team as well But you are correct. If Zberg plays the team will have to explore trade options. Custance says he's already heard that from 1 Red Wings source.

Well, we all know this much: Glendening will not be traded before Game 1. If he does get moved this season, it'll probably be during trade deadline week.

I'll take that bet. There's no way Babcock will convince Dubas that Glendening is worth what Holland would be looking for in a trade. I think it would have been possible if Hunter took over, but with Dubas in charge, I don't see any chance Glendening gets traded to Toronto.

I'll betting that Glendening is a Maple Leaf sometime this season. I believe with a new Gm there, Babcock may be able to convince him that Glenny would help that team. I wish that he wanted both Glenny and Helm, that would open up a good amount of space for the new wave and eventually UFA day.

At one point in the season last year; Zetterberg could not even bend down to tie his skates, but grinded through all 82 games and did not lose consistency in production. His worst months were November and January, before the back started getting worse. Production did not dip at all in the second half of the season with worsening back condition. Zetterberg has more will power than even Yzerman. Retire that number, and induct into HOF. https://www.google.com/amp/s/octopusthrower.com/2018/08/24/detroit-red-wings-factors-zetterberg/amp/

Sure. Let's go with that.

Pengins?